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Jul 14, 2025 3:34 pm
You haven't done anything wrong, nor did you offend me, and I'm truly sorry that I never communicated myself properly.
Emma was definitely hurt, and she's concerned Pers might disrupt her marriage, but that was entirely an IC reaction. I was never offended as a player. I likewise hope that nothing I said or did, IC or OOC made you feel uncomfortable in any way.

I'm open to discussing how Pers and Emma will eventually reconcile, too, which might be better than leaving it to chance.
Jul 14, 2025 3:43 pm
Thanks. I'm good.

My own RP character flaw is that I get bleed between my OOC feelings and my IC PC's feelings. It's weird, too, because I don't get upset when my PCs die, for instance. But a friend rejecting them? Ouch!

So yeah, you're good. No problems. Let's see how these two rather self-destructive girls figure their stuff out, or not!

As for how they might reconcile, I think they will likely have to witness each other really suffering, and perhaps Pers might sacrifice herself for Emma and some point, leading Emma to forgive her. Just a thought, but obv that isn't something I would want to dictate in advance.
Jul 14, 2025 3:46 pm
So I do want to check in with you about Henry. Persephone is torn about what to do with Henry. I was imagining her having a brief romantic dalliance but ultimately realizing that both Per and Henry actually love Emma (as friends). Are you OK with that?
Jul 14, 2025 3:55 pm
Pers saving Emma’s life by diving after her into that gaping pit was enough for Emma to forgive her for showing up at dinner with Henry. That said, I’d rather not plan for Emma to be in another life-threatening situation again 😉 (Though, knowing her...)

Doing her the favor she asked for would help some, because Emma really wants to get David on board with what she's really doing (which is probably not such a good idea, but she doesn't want to keep on hiding the truth from him either)

Regarding Henry; Emma is not interested in him as a romantic partner, so she wouldn't mind it if he and Pers got involved. But putting him in actual danger would annoy her, for her own selfish reasons.
Jul 14, 2025 4:01 pm
OK good to know. And yeah, Persephone thinks she and her bestie just had a fight, not that they aren't friends any more. So she will be apologizing tomorrow, probably, while secretly nursing guilt about whatever happens with Henry. And yes, she will offer to 'inform' David of her true nature too.
Jul 14, 2025 8:03 pm
Sounds like a plan! While it is usually very hard to get Emma to apologize for anything, I think we can make an exception in this case too (as long as Pers extends the olive branch first!). What she said to Pers was pretty nasty.
Jul 14, 2025 8:11 pm
It was, though it was mostly true of course. But still, I felt like they each got in their good shots.
Jul 14, 2025 9:23 pm
Great. Glad you two could work that out.

I, too, would not want to run a game of separate games, this happens from time to time in all urban fantasy games (I have been thinking about a Monster of the Week game using the Team Playbooks from Codex of Worlds (a touring rock band? maybe?), though, even a team, always on the move together, can have interpersonal drama).

I will see about using the Chaudry events to push the characters back together. Maybe remind Emma that Persephone 'was only there to help her' (why else would she be at the hotel and infiltrate the Ivy Club, after all?), and that Persephone chose to risk her life to dive in after Emma (I say 'risk', but she actually lost her life...).

It is hard to be rational about exactly what happened, in what order, the characters don't have access to a written transcript of what was said by whom, so Emma might be in denial about that fact that she was the first to shout about demon sacrifices, and Persephone only continued the 'conversation'... besides, it is hard to be too put out from: "You almost let my husband overhear about 'supernatural stuff'... now, on an unrelated note, could you please prove to my husband about supernatural stuff..." :)

I can link Chaudry's activities to the rain-problem, and even link Viviana back to that as well, if we want. Alasdair is tied to what Chaudry was up to below his lair, as is the hellhound, now, so Benji is thrice-tied to the Chaudry plot.
Jul 14, 2025 9:25 pm
Delirium says:
... Emma will be somewhat adverse to inviting people to her home ... Not saying it is impossible, but less likely. ...
That is a choice, it may limit what you can do. Your character does not always get what they want.
Delirium says:
... before we need to timeskip. ...
A timeskip only exacerbates the problem, if Emma skips forward a week, you will have to wait for the others to catch up, and that week could take months for the players.

Being too hard-nosed about 'will not leave' puts you in tension with your other Relationships, and will cost you. That is a choice you can make. The Relationships are there to complicate your life.
Delirium says:
... For 'Figuring Something Out', if you think it would kill the plotline, we can run the scene without using any Moves. ...
Rolling a hit on Figure Someone Out and getting answer will immediately answer the question... Emma needing to know what is going on there is the whole plotline, no? Unless you choose to ignore the facts that are presented by your Figuring Him Out and continue to be suspicious there is nothing else there, your trust of your husband (or lack thereof) is a plotline you brought into the story, so you are welcome to put it to bed anytime you want. Using the Moves might mean you can't get satisfactory answers if you roll low, using the fiction means you can't ever know for sure, but we are in control of what you learn, at the pace you choose.

Are we in a hurry to end this line? Say the word and the 'laundry' situation can be resolved in a trice.
Jul 14, 2025 9:26 pm
Delirium says:
... Regarding Henry; Emma is not interested in him as a romantic partner, so she wouldn't mind it if he and Pers got involved. But putting him in actual danger would annoy her, for her own selfish reasons.
And you, the player, are happy with Persephone getting romantically involved with one of your Relationships? He is already 'in danger' due his newfound enmity with the Ivy Club and his disruption to their plans (you asked for him to be entangled with a demon cult:).

He is still reticent to go out and sleep with your 'friend', but that is easily overcome. If it happens, should they keep it secret from Emma?
Jul 14, 2025 9:32 pm
Also, just to be clear, Persephone was not trying to raise her voice enough for David to hear. She just happened to get upset and raise her voice. It was I, the player, who pointed out that her voice was loud enough to be heard. So Persephone was not trying to mess with Emma‘s marriage.

If that didn’t come across on the text, I apologize. That was my intention.
Jul 14, 2025 9:34 pm
That was how I interpreted it, both for Persephone's 'reply' and for Emma's initial 'raised voice' before that.

Whether he (or the neighbours) overheard anything is up to us.
Jul 15, 2025 4:16 am
vagueGM says:
your trust of your husband (or lack thereof) is a plotline you brought into the story, so you are welcome to put it to bed anytime you want.
Emma wasn't distrustful until the 'laundry' post [ref], which was phrased in an almost unambiguous way (she must have been intimately 'taking care' of him). She was angry at Sarah before because she felt she was being too familiar with her husband, but didn't suspect him of anything till then. At any rate, since this is important for Emma, she will try 'looking into his heart' and discern what she can. I'm impartial toward ending this plotline now or continuing it, so might as well see how it plays out.
Drgwen says:
It was I, the player, who pointed out that her voice was loud enough to be heard. So Persephone was not trying to mess with Emma‘s marriage.
That is something they can discuss when they next meet. Emma expected more discretion from Pers. Loud or not, it is still a bad idea to talk about Emma 'drapping herself over any man who could benefit her this weekend, including her ex', AND saying she doesn't love her husband....while her husband is sleeping in bed right across the hall. Loud or not, Emma is already pissed about that, and that's disregarding that it was hurtful. It's not talking about 'demons', that set her off, but the complications Pers can cause to her marriage.
vagueGM says:
And you, the player, are happy with Persephone getting romantically involved with one of your Relationships?
We ARE talking about Henry, right? Just making sure! ;)

As a player, I'm fine with anything. Emma will be fine with Henry, specifically, and Pers hooking up, since she isn't interested in him romantically. If Pers however, puts him in danger, then Emma will be very cross with her, to the point she might do something very vindictive .It doesn't matter if Henry is actually in danger right now due to his past involvement with the Ivy club, because Emma believes he isn't after she confronted Sinclair. For sure, 'getting revenge' on the club and haunting down Chaudry, would force their hands either way to deal with him, so I think, OOC as well, that this plotline DOES put him in much more danger.
Jul 15, 2025 6:47 am
Hmm I tried to edit Benji’s sheet and I somehow appear to have deleted it :/

I will have to fix it later when I have time and access to my computer. Sorry about that
Jul 15, 2025 7:05 am
Delirium says:
... phrased in an almost unambiguous way ...
Oops. Was not meant to unambiguous, just suggestive. I can see several interpretations and reasons for those facts.

We can clear it up quite quickly if you want to put it behind you.
Delirium says:
... might as well see how it plays out. ...
No problem. Let's see how it goes. If you want to use Moves, go for it; if you want to use dialogue, we can do that; if you want something like obvious answers ex machina, I can provide that too.
Delirium says:
... talk about Emma 'drapping herself over any man ...
Yeah, and there is a police case stating that you were at a hotel with another man...
Delirium says:
... AND saying she doesn't love her husband... ...
Yeah... that was out out line. :)
Emma seems lacking in empathy, so I don't suppose it will help to say 'picture it from Persephone's point of view'? :)
Delirium says:
... We ARE talking about Henry, right? Just making sure! ;) ...
Er... yes. Though you boss is a lonely man... ;)
Delirium says:
... this plotline (revenge) DOES put him in much more danger. ...
Or take out the danger. But, we will keep him safe from that, it should be your actions that doom your Relationships, not that of the other PCs (hence my asking your permission for the hookup, at each level).
Jul 15, 2025 7:05 am
Never mind, it’s all good! I rescued him from the staging server. I’ll have to put the Order Your Underlings move back in there but other than that I think it’s all fine
Jul 15, 2025 7:06 am
oopsylon says:
Hmm I tried to edit Benji’s sheet and I somehow appear to have deleted it :/ ...
Any idea how you did that? Is it still the bug where you hit Save twice?
oopsylon says:
... I rescued him from the staging server. ...
It is useful having that around. :)
Jul 15, 2025 7:34 am
vagueGM says:
Any idea how you did that? Is it still the bug where you hit Save twice?
I think so! I was going to add the corruption to my sheet, instinctively pressed edit, remembered that I don’t need to edit the sheet to mark corruption and so pressed save and exit to exit edit mode. I realised after I pressed save that the sheet hadn’t loaded in properly yet but it was too late :/
Jul 15, 2025 7:50 am
oopsylon says:
... instinctively pressed edit, remembered that I don’t need to edit the sheet to mark corruption and so pressed save and exit to exit edit mode. ...
The back button would generally be a better way to leave the edit screen.
oopsylon says:
... I realised after I pressed save that the sheet hadn’t loaded in properly yet but it was too late :/
Keleth was going to look into this, but I don't think anything has been done yet. Maybe report the problem and your detailed description of the cause so it can move up on the bug roster.

You can add your report to the existing one: Character Sheet Gone.
Jul 15, 2025 7:53 am
vagueGM says:
The back button would generally be a better way to leave the edit screen.
Yeah it was dumb in retrospect but it was just sort of a split-second muscle memory thing I did without thinking :P
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