OOC Chat

Welcome, All! For now we'll be discussing the game and figuring out the ccenario and all that fun stuff.

I have generally envisioned this as a Werewolves hunting vampires game but I'm open to other ideas.

Sounds great! I would like to sign up for the Vampire side, but I am willing to play a Werewolf if we need to balance things out or something. I'm flexible.

I'm honestly not familiar with the setting at all, but I'm willing to go with werewolves and vampires.

It isn't that hard to pick up. Originally it was a dark urban fantasy horror setting where all the things that go bump in the night are real and fighting to survive. The world is the real world but with monsters lurking in the dark places.

The other factions out there are Wraiths(ghosts), Mummies, Demons, Changelings, and Hunters(mortals who know about monsters...literal inspiration for the Supernatural tv series.)

Werewolves and Vampires have a built in hatred so I think they make a great pair for this game. If you've seen the Underworld franchise of movies you get the gist. Werewolves are territorial pack hunters and see vampires as undead abominations that need to be destroyed. Vampires are bloodthirsty murderers who see werewolves as big vermin, beneath notice if they weren't so dangerous.

That's a pretty solid intro. I also thought using actual Hunters could be an option too. But Werewolves vs Vampires is pretty classc and Werewolves are much less squishy.

Let's hold off on choosing sides yet. I want everyone to have a chance to play how they want.

Despite the PvP elements, I still want this to be a role play and character focused game. There's definitely room for a neonate vampire who barely knows his fangs from his ass. That way you don't have to be be super knowledgeable about the lore.

I would like to play a demon if possible.

I want to hear everyone's preferences.

But just to be clear, I do want each of the groups to be homogenous. Like a group of vamps vs a group of Werewolves... A full crossover game where everyone plays different splats is a bit too much for me and from what I understand is like impossible to actually run effectively even by seasoned WoD storytellers

I agree that full WoD Crossovers can't be done. The rules of one or two types can be managed. You get a third or fourth in the mix and problems start to creep up. Usually power imbalance that allows for characters to become invincible.

That said, my favorite creature types are Vampire and Changeling. Werewolf is cool and make great antagonist for Vampires. So they would be ranked third. So I would like these pairings:

Werewolves (hunters) vs. Vampires (prey)
Vampires (hunters) vs. Changelings (prey)

Vampires can treat Changeling blood as a drug, it makes vamps loopy, like taking halucinagens, LSD or Shrooms.
The Wolf/Vamp rivalry makes for a great power struggle.

I don't have any issue with Demons, and it might be fun to play Hunters tracking down Demons.

Hi everyone. I would be on board with werewolves and vampires going either way. I think I would get more excited about actual hunters playing the well, hunters and the vampires as the prey.

I feel that this is to good an opportunity to play something not standard (I.e vampires vs werewolves. Which has been done a billion times) but if most people want that I will play.

I'm not opposed, I just want to reach some form of consensus among the groups.

In fact, I could see vampire as being less than ideal for this type of game. Traveling is pretty difficult and you can only really operate half the day.

That is a definite weakness of vampires. And more so depending on the specific location. Vamps in Miami probably don't get as much done as those in Vancouver. If Werewolves hunt during the day they might uncover a lair or two and end the problem.

If we're looking to cut something, I'm more of a werewolf fan than a vampire one. Regardless, I'm on board with whatever factions we chose. The hunter/prey concept is the hook for me, rather than any particular faction.

Alright, so Ive been doing a lot of reading and I have several scenarios that I think could work. If someone has strong objections or opinions I'm open to them but I think a little structure would help.move us forward:

1. Werewolves hunting Vampires - Pretty standard. Vampires will have some plot they are following, Werewokves will.catch wind of it and Vampires are tainted by the Wyrm. Nuff said.

2. Vampires hunting Werewolves - Werewolves pursuing some plot and more than likely encroach on Vampire territory. Prince calls for a hunt. Nuff said

3. Hunters hunting Vampires - Pretty much same as 1 just hunters instead of Werewolves

4. Hunters hunting Demons - have not read.much demon, but this could be interesting. It would be a lot like the movie Constantine

5. XXXX vs Hunters - I'm less excited about this one but I can see plots for this scenario

I.have not included Wraith, Changeling or Mage because honestly I don't feel super comfortable running those and wrapping my head around that lore.

I think this is a great list and agree that limiting us to this list is a good step forward.

The more I think about it, Hunters v. Demon seems cool. Or Werwolves v. Vampires.

Those are my top two. I would be happy playing any of those 4 factions.

I'm in for Demons v hunters

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Yeah I think having a human element versus something that has unknowable/variable form would be best (either Demons v hunters or XXXX vs hunters). That might add some intrigue if the demons can jump and possess various persons. As much as I'm tired of Supernatural (I'm like 7 seasons behind at this point) I think it would be cool to play out something in the vein of that. Any NPCs we come across could theoretically be any of the extras (vampires, werewolves) that might add some complications between us. I'm very much down! :D

Awesome! Really looks like we're headed towards Hunters vs Demons and I'm getting excited. Please feel free to voice opposition and we'll work it out so everyone is happy (ish)

I've also added a subforum for each player. You should only be able to see yours and you should see an OOC chat thread in it just for us. Let me know if you don't see it or see someone else's.

Do people already have preferences about being Hunter or hunted/Demon?

That could be fun...they wouldn't have to adhere to the exact rules either. Just be vampy or wolfy enogh to pass.

But on the question of which side I'd like to play...that is a tough call. Both sides have their benefits. But I voted earlier for playing the prey side of things, so that would still be my preferred side. I am still willing to be on the hunter side if need be for the sake of numbers.

Just for super-clarification, are we playing with the nWOD, Hunter : The Vigil?

I'm open to it, but I'm far more familiar with old WoD

That would be Hunter The Reckoning and Demon The Fallen

I am less familiar but I feel I won't have to worry about the rules as much as the GM would :P

Yeah. Just focus on concepts and characters and I'll do my best to map the mechanics on to the story

I have a preference for playing as a not-demon, so I'll go Hunter if that's alright.

Totally fine

I'll be a demon if that works.

Demons
- overratedplayer
- wiXirox
- MushroomMage?

Hunters
- Kikari?
- OMG_Gypsy

Undeclared
- dwarfwarlock

I'm quite fine on either side, I just came up with a good demon concept first. So if someone wants to or needs to switch, feel free to take my spot. I like the playing the underdog as much as I like playing a baddie >:)

I don't know if it is accurate to call one side of this conflict the "baddies" per se. It is more a matter of perspective.

The Demons think they know what is best for humanity and has to try and achieve that without the forces of Heaven noticing before it is to late. That is except for those Demons who just want to harvest what they need from humans.

The Hunters...well, some of them probably think they want Heaven to stay in charge, they think they know what Heaven really wants for them. But a lot of them want humanity to be left alone, to evolve, grow, and learn without outsiders telling them what to do.

Yeah. Good and Bad are not super clear cut all the time

Yeah, yeah, subjective morality and all that. Pick a side! :P ... But I could definitely see some cool stuff on the side of the humans wherein the ends may not justify the means of their actions, perhaps Heaven isn't 100% altruistic or the big picture actions are not lining up with their small-time actions.
Reading up on the demon side, there are chances for redemption and whether or not each Fallen's motivations fall in line with the divine scheme. I am very much looking forward to seeing how it all turns out.

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Alright folks. At some point this weekend, I'll also be making Hunter & Demon specific subforum for those groups. So try to make your final determinations about which group you want to be in.

Feel free to ask questions here or in your subforum if you need more info before you decide.

I'd really like to get character creation done by next week.

Added Thelindra to the mix. Welcome to your doom!

And Qralloq! Welcome!

Heya. I'd love to play a Demon. I bought Demon: The Fallen about 15 years ago and it remains relatively uncracked.

However, for disclosure, my copy of Hunter: The Reckoning is also virginal, so that would be cool, too.

We're just about even right now so either is fine. If for some reason it gets too imbalanced I'll ask if anyone is willing to switch

FYI: For those eager beavers already working on concepts backstory, this game will be set in Los Angeles. I haven't decided on the exact time frame but it will either be late 90s or present day

Just to throw it out there, I'd prefer modern times over the 90s.

I'm leaning that way too but having cellphones and internet really changes the game significantly. Definitely open to opinions here.

Yeah...it does make the Computer skill a bit more potent in the game.

I don't have much experience with either game line, but I am more familiar with the world of Demon (First book I ever cracked open in the game line), I am however, unfamiliar with all the mechanics, so which ever works best to have the New B in. I could be a recently risen Demon still figuring out his body, or a recently awaken Hunter figuring out this new calling. Im fine with either, and would prefer just to go with whatever fits for which group best.

A chunk of my plot in my IRL Vampire: The Masquerade (3e/V20) game is slowly moving to the 5e setting. The premise is that mortals figure out tech, find vamps, and punish them severely. In the IRL game, they've created secure apps to communicate, thus forestalling the Hunter information monopoly apocalypse.

Basically, use WhatsApp (or a similar com platform) to communicate since it is encrypted.

I thought about it more and I prefer present day. So this will be set in 2018.

Demons
- overratedplayer
- wiXirox
- Qralloq
- MushroomMage?

Hunters
- Kikari
- OMG_Gypsy
- JackPace
- dwarfwarlock
- Tinker314

Undeclared
- Thelindra

I think I'd prefer Hunter side. I'm a bit more familiar with the game and it would be easier to easy back into playing.

Hunters here

@Thelindra: Demon would even out the teams but if you have your heart set on Hunter we can work something out

Hi! I would prefer playing on the Hunter side.

I think 6 Hunters versus 4 Demon PCs would be fine. I'm sure the hunters will have their hands full either way >:)

Yup I marked Tinker down for Hunters. Just waiting on Thelindra. Really looking forward to how the groups take shape

Don't worry Demons will be plenty busy too. Remember that Idle Hands are the Devil's Play Thing

As you start coming up with concepts and/or backstory. Post it in your individual subforum because I'm sure I will have questions and maybe those answers shouldn't be seen by fellow.players. I leave it to you to decide how much you tell your fellow players

H*cking not gonna to tell those smelly Hunters anything! Sure as shootin'!

We will sure be shooting.

Sorry about the delay. Missed subscribing to this forum. 😒I’m fine with demon, always up for something new.

I've already reached out to a couple of you. I think it can help in this type of game to run through a bit of a prelude before you finalize character creation.

If any of you would be interested in doing that let me know and we can collaborate on something

Also.if you haven't already done so, please subscribe to the main forum for this game so you are notified when posts go up.

The email system has been a little wonky of late but it's better than nothing

Im ready to rock n roll (I think), would love to get to some action.

Same ^^

I might've been holding us up, XD ... Just actualized a fair bit of my character concept. Hopefully we'll get motoring soon

You're not the only one. I just want everyone aware that they can ask questions or for help with brainstorming. I love doing that stuff. It just had gone a little quiet

So just as a side-note, and I haven't looked at it too much or done any comparing, but ... we should probably not put our character names in the tagline of our character submissions, right? That way the humans and the demons don't know who each other are ... just a thought to keep the OOC knowledge and brain shuffling required to a minimum.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

I'll try to be wary of meta gaming, but if you're concerned about it feel free to avoid putting your name so that it shows below. You can just call it WoD Demon and some intials or something so I can identify it.

If you guys get close enough that you are actually interacting they'll know you're one of the demons. So we'll just have to separate IC and OOC knowledge as best we can.

Sablestar will be joining us on the Hunter side. Welcome!

Thanks WarDomo!

*waves at everyone*

Let me know if you can access your subforum and the Hunter Subforum

I can, thanks!

I'll post some questions there and answer some questions shortly!

I look forward to murdering you in-game, :D

Aww! Not before I murder you first XOXO

YAY a murder fest, hugs optional.

Vorn369 will also be joining us on the Demon side.

Also, OMG_Gypsy has been attacked by real life and is stepping away from the game.

PhoenixScientist is joining the Hunters!

Welcome!

Hello all!

Howdy, PhoenixScientist!

Hi everyone! Finally finished my exams dis wk, so hopefully i can be more on bfr the nxt one in 1mmth XD

Alright everyone we're bringing in a new crew of demon players have crossed over from the Abyss to join us. Welcome all! Unless I hear otherwise I'm putting you all into the demon forums

Hell yeah. It's been a long time since I've played a World of Darkness game, and I've never played Demon before, so looking forward to it.

Alright you eAch should now have access to the Demon subforum and a personal subforum.

what do we use the personal sub-forums for?

That's for conversations between you and I. I prefer it to PMs because I can find stuff later. I've added some threads to your subforums

noted! I'm travelling at the moment but will try to fill in some of the blanks when I get home.

I don't have access. I don't know if i should get.

Nope you're on the Hunter side, my friend.

Posting in Absences

We back to running?

It's uncertain, but likely.

It seems I was wrong. WarDomo posted that he's gone until further notice.

I'm going to withdraw, but invite me back if it restarts.

Ahh shit. Well, I guess I'm going to drop as well then.

D'oh! I was really excited for this game. C'est la vie, I guess.

Well I guess I'll do the same. Invite me back if it starta back up.