//File 0.1 - Helios//

Jan 5, 2020 12:28 pm
It was rare that Helios-Zen had time off from his day job. His recent employment, animal consultant at Hong Kong's Ocean Park, kept them busy the last couple of weeks due to a new exhibit. The bioengineers at Wu Xing had developed a new strain of photochromatic fish, regular freshwater fish spliced with nanotech such that their bodies could illuminate in a whole spectrum of colours, and thus could be programmed to produce underwater light shows and performances.

Today though, he was out at Lantau Island, pursuing his other interest, botany. Normally, his on-and-off shadowrunning would've kept him busy at night, and in bed and asleep during daylight hours on his off days. But the last week or so was too busy for him to even take on a side job. Today he sought the comfort of hiking through the island's greenery for herbs which he could use as reagent bases.

His reverie was broken though by the beep on his commlink. It was his colleague, Jase Loi, from the aquapark. Helios-Zen wondered what it could be, after all, Jase was not the type to ever contact anyone.
Jan 9, 2020 12:29 am
Helios concluded his thought with a simple, 'Hmm.' Which was just about the extend of his concern as he toggled to receive the call. "Hello Jase something up?" I mean one should not be concerned about something one knew nothing about best to just collect the information and move forward.
Jan 9, 2020 1:16 pm
"Hey Helios, a friend of mine at the forensics lab has an interesting case to examine. He asked if I knew anyone who was an expert on bugs and you came to mind. I figure you'd be interested, you've been going on and on about it for as long as I've known you. Wanna look him up? He's at the Ares' Research facility, not the one at the Knight Errant HQ downtown, the other one in Kowloon." Helios' commlink immediately received the contact card for one Hong Sai Yuk. Ares' Knight Errant currently managed the Hong Kong Police, having taken over from MCT's Petrovski Security.
Jan 9, 2020 4:07 pm
Helios listened okay casual question posed, forensics lab, probably no rush. He then gauged the remaining of what he planned to do here with the time it would take to get to Kowloon then he posed the next logical question, "Okay thanks Jase, can I assume then that he will be expecting me to contact him?" It was probably a safe assumption but Helios tended not to assume as that generally led to issues.
Jan 11, 2020 7:29 am
"I mentioned your name when telling him I might know someone. So yeah he's expecting you to call or drop by. I would've thought they had enough experts on their payroll, but maybe they didn't know any bug hunter specialists. I didn't tell them anything else about you though, just said I might know someone is all." Jase was a marine biologist at Ocean Park; Helios had been pulling some late shifts with him on the new exhibit, listening to him babble on enthusiastically about the potential of the new nanotech fish.
Jan 11, 2020 1:42 pm
Helios listened the thought of the nano-fish passed through his mind along with the revulsion of what folks were doing to animals and themselves. He knew it was simply a sign of the times, much like dying your hair strange colors, or getting meaningless decorative tattoos but really mixing machines with biology just wholly unnatural and went against the way things were meant to be. Still it was what it was and he did his best to comfort those animals that had to go through that horrid experience. "Okay thanks Jase," he about to ask about the fish but Jase would not really be able to answer the question he wanted to know so dropped it, "I will catch up with you later, take care."

Once he had finished the call with Jase, he had his Commlink put a call through to this Hong Sai Yuk to see what was what and more importantly when. Doing favors for folks as long as it did not affect his bottom line was always good business. Of course, if he could get paid doing it that was even better. The question was going to be was this a favor or a paying gig or both.
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Jan 11, 2020 3:52 pm
"Yes, Jase Loi said to expect you. I'm looking for an expert pair of eyes to examine a case we are currently investigating. Legal confidentiality concerns mean I can't say too much over commlink or send you a simrecording of what we have. Would you have some time to come down and have a look? Or if you have an office somewhere we can arrange to meet there." Anticipating Helios' possible question, "If your expertise witness is deemed necessary, your services will be on retainer, of course."
Jan 11, 2020 4:02 pm
Helios thought about that expert witness thing, such a shame he would not be able to capitalize on that aspect but he could at least give things a look see and if necessary inform them then that he was not available to be a witness. Besides what could they possibly need to know about bugs that they needed an living expert for. "Sure however I am currently not in the area how long are you going to be there and-or would tomorrow be a better time. Either this evening or some time tomorrow is fine by me."
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Jan 12, 2020 1:37 am
"A couple of us are pulling all-nighters, come today if you can." The tone of his voice hinted at a sense of relief, as if he was glad to have found someone to help.

While Helios was indeed out on Lantau island, the journey via hover ferry to Kowloon would take no longer than half an hour.
Jan 12, 2020 2:15 am
"Alright I will be there later this evening, see you then." With that Helios went back to checking to see if he could gather reagent related herbs. Once that was done it was on the Kowloon.
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Should I make a roll for the herbs since I am here and all? ;-)
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Jan 13, 2020 12:50 pm
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Yep, go ahead and make all three rolls when you summon, it streamlines all of it in one post. Getting Edge doesn't apply to these tests and rolls though, only to situations where there are Opposed tests, ie. Attack Rating vs Defence Rating, Hacking, Social tests, etc. So no Edge here. I'll let you describe the success of your summons.
Wanna roll for reagents? Sure! :) There's no rule for it just yet, so give me an Enchanting + Logic roll, representing having the knowledge to find appropriate herbs to craft magical things.
For the most part of the day Helios satisfied himself with scouring the island foliage for useful herbs. As evening began to fall, Helios looked to see where his spirit familiars had disappeared off to. He often left them to their own devices when he didn't require their companionship or service.
Jan 13, 2020 4:00 pm
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Getting Edge only applies to Opposed tests and -- Summon vs Resist -- that is not an opposed test?? While the guidelines do not specifically state its an Opposed check Conjuring + Magic vs (Force x 2) with at least one net hit being needed to successfully summon the spirit` sure sounds like an opposed roll to me???
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Jan 14, 2020 6:28 am
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Yes I understand it to be an Opposed test as well. However, only certain opposed tests qualify for generating Edge, specifically combat, hacking and social tests. The rules intend to prevent abuse: players rolling Perception against each random person on the street to replenish Edge, or spellcasting low level opposed check spells over and over, or hacking some weak Matrix host multiple times.
So it seems to me that the intended way Edge ought to be generated is when situations or scenes contain conflict, ie. two parties are 'opposing' each other in a tussle, some risk/reward is involved, or some role-playing is required. Edge is generated when a party has a clear advantage over the other when both are working against each other.

The critical glitch on the reagent search is hilarious! Let me describe the result, and we can move on.
An entire day wasted, Helios fumed. There was absolutely nothing he could find that was useful. In fact, of the dubious herbs he had collected, he was now beginning to wonder if they would have an adverse effect on his magical preparations should he choose to use them.
Jan 14, 2020 7:52 am
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Okay well perhaps for certain things one can get Edge that lasts no longer than that specific instance -- which is what I was thinking -- aka the Edge I acquired could only be used for that single summoning situation -- they have that for some Edge you get it but it goes away if you do not use it -- that kind of deals with the issue of abuse by limiting what you can do with it but yet allows you to still use it if needed in that one instance -- worth maybe considering
Helios thought for sure he would have found something viable here but perhaps others had come before him and picked the useful herbs already. What he had was not really worth the trip or his time, still maybe he could trade it at an herb dealer for some cheap tobacco at least get something good out of a wasted day but that would be later for now he had an appointment to keep. However, first he needed to recall his pet, it was not really getting any easier to bring Arianr through the gauntlet that separated the spirit world from the real world and there was always a bit of risk involved with it but he truly disliked going any where without her. So he sat down quieted himself and reached out for her and helped her come to him once more. Once she was with him again they headed out to Kowloon.
Jan 14, 2020 10:00 am
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Yes I'm reviewing that for sure. The rules offer Edge that must be used immediately for certain situations, and other Edge that can be accumulated.
Specific to your summoning, if there are no plot situations that 'used up' the services of your spirit(s), we can handwave the summoning. For example, it is assumed that you've had your spirit the entire day, but you haven't really used it. Then I don't need you to do the re-summoning for this evening then. It's really for calculating net hits, ie. a way of figuring out how much work your 'ally spirit' has done before she needs to be refreshed, so to speak. Even familiars get tired after hard work :P .
Arianr appeared as summoned. She was a sensible and helpful ally to Helios, coming and going as she was needed. The vagaries of the spirit world meant that sometimes the connection between the two of them might be interrupted, but that was rare; the bond between master and spirit servant was a firm one. This time she behaved no differently, staying reasonably concealed as Helios made his journey to Kowloon, to the forensics department of the Hong Kong police's Ares Research facility.
Jan 14, 2020 4:39 pm
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Okay if I understood you correctly, I can either use the remaining hits from my previous summons, or I can choose to resummon Arianr again to replenish or increase those hits. If correct that sounds good, reduces the need for excessive rolls especially since he has Arianr with him nearly all of the time - as he sees it not as a "spirit" per-sae but his pet transcendent and he does not treat it as a servant but as a friend and companion. Also in case of glitches I would prefer to have the wrong spirit appear for whatever story reason and the Force does not have to be the same as Arianr's Force -- I just would, for story purposes, prefer not to have his friend and companion become something other than that due to a glitch.

Also with his Low Life Style where in Hong Kong would you place his current residence -- note I chose Low Life Style to reflect that he tends to live a rather inconspicuous spartan life, and often just lives somewhere he works
The lower inside of Helios' snap-up calf-length light gray hooded coat was textured to allow Arianr and other spiders something easy to hold onto but there was also a special long horizontal pocket that Arianr and other spiders could climb into and out of fairly easily for safer and easier travel.

He made his way to Tung Chung and picked up a transport that would take him to Kowloon's Ares Research facility and then just sat back and relaxed. It would not be an overly long trip but rest was still good since he was not sure how late of night it would be.
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Jan 15, 2020 1:06 pm
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The way we've defined Arianr for 6e means you can actually use her Materialisation power to have her appear and disappear when you need her. You might not need the pockets for her (although you might still want them for the swarm). Just reminding you of your options, because...
Ares Research (Hong Kong) was a huge compound with two entirely separate wings, each with its own entrance. The first, a sleek towering building, highly secured, was where the science and development took place. The other was a squat and sprawling structure, a municipal building which served as the research laboratory for Knight Errant security services, aka the HK police, Knight Errant being a subsidiary of the Ares megacorp. It was there that Helios was supposed to meet with Hong. At the guardhouse, Helios was scanned for his identity as part of the standard procedure for entering a security facility

His fake SIN revealed him to be Helios Zen. That wasn't the problem. "Mr Zen, are you carrying anything else with you on your person?"
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... can you declare if Arianr is with you, and the other spiders as well? It'll matter plot-wise what happens next. Or I can retcon the last sentence in my post.

Rolls

Use Simple Device Ratingx2 (Security Scanner vs Fake SIN) - (8d6)

(16255226) = 29

Jan 15, 2020 4:16 pm
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First the swarm is for intel gathering and right now he is not garthering intel and he would be aware of entering corporate facilities with spirits so he would leave Arianr outside but some where near by. And no need to retcon as that seems like a normal question to ask regardless
"No. Well nothing worth mentioning. Okay I mean... I got some herbs that I gathered earlier today but other than that nothing your sensors would not have already analyzed. Do you need me to leave those here?" Not having anything to hide Helios was very nonchalant about things as he was here to render a service not gather intel. Of course he was always gather intel at some level, there was not a place he went that he did not take in as much as he could about the place in case he needed it later for some reason. This place was no different. He gauged and cataloged the security measures he could sense and any other nuance that might notice. Sometimes it was the smaller details that proved to be the handiest.
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Jan 16, 2020 3:26 pm
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Sure. I have noted that at this point you only have Arianr summoned, but no other spiders with you. And you've instructed Arianr not to accompany you.
"Not at all Mr Zen. Standard procedure. Please proceed." The guard had keyed in his arrival into his comms terminal, and given him directions to Hong's office: enter via the main entrance doors, take the elevator to the eighth floor, that was the forensics department. The straightforward instructions found Helios at the front desk of the an entrance labeled Department of Forensic Science. There stood a middle-aged Asian man with graying temples and a slight hunch, wearing a lab coat. He nodded when Helios arrived. "Hong Sai Yuk. You must be Helios. Thank you for coming. Perhaps you could lend your expertise in something very curious."
Jan 16, 2020 5:02 pm
Helios nodded to the guards statement and then proceed to enter the grounds proper. He continued to catalog everything he sensed as he walked as there was no such thing as too much information at least not as far as he was concerned.

He acknowledges that he is Helios with a short bowing nod then responds, "Yes, and I hope that I will be able to help you. Still perhaps you could explain a bit more about this curiosity prior to my examining it. I find it interesting that you would need any help, as I have heard you are quite proficient at what you do." Okay so it was a slight exaggeration but he could not imagine anyone being incompetent and working for Ares so it should at least be a safe statement and one that might make the other feel good about themselves.
Jan 17, 2020 9:52 am
The laboratory building proper was repurposed from a older research facility which Ares used when it expanded its reach into Hong Kong. It served its function well until Ares ploughed significant resources to its R&D flagship behind it, allowing it to dominate the east Asian region in scientific research. The older building was then left to the use of scientific criminology, both the investigative and forensic offices and resources were housed there. Helios noted the labels and signages which indicated various departments such as ballistics, chemical analysis, both wet and dry labs, field testing, legal, amongst others.

"Come." Hong first led Helios through a small chamber near the entrance with clear plexiglass walls, "Standard lab precaution." The chamber was a sanitising apparatus, designed to clean contaminants, airborne agents, chemical residue, and even dirt and grime, effectively disinfecting persons as they entered the facility. Various numbers and words blinked on the displays next to it. "I see you've been out at Lantau. Good place for wild ginseng."

Hong filled Helios in as they walked through a corridor to their destination. "You may have heard of the bug city problem in the 2055, in Chicago, CAS. An infestation of insect spirits in human hosts. Hard to detect, even harder to eradicate. Well it seems Asia has its own equivalent. Tsuen Wan territory has reported ant and beetle colonies. We are familiar with their usual configuration: an insect spirit using a human as host, and consuming the host body in the process. The relationship is parasitic, as far as we know."

They reached a door, and Hong opened it, entering what was both a laboratory which contained a containment area and restraint equipment. Through the clear glass was an insectoid-like creature, strapped to an examination table. It appeared humanoid, but with various insect mutations evident in its appearance. It appeared alive, but sedated.

"We discovered that they might have evolved somewhat. Now it seems the relationship could be symbiotic. Both human and insect have an 'equal' relationship with each other. We think we now have not merely an insect controlling a human, but a human insect. I'm told you have some insight in this matter, as an insect hunter of some sort, and also that your spirit is closely bound to the spider. Let me know what you make of this."
Jan 17, 2020 8:35 pm
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Helios listened intently to what Hong was saying, as most folks simply did not realize that what was being referred to as insect spirits were in actuality not insect spirits at all but completely alien spirits that simply manifested into something that resembled insectoidal were actually not insect spirits at all. As insect spirits such as the bee spirit and the scarab spirit were just the same as the other spirits of this world but, that was the key, these spirits were not of this world in fact their realm was so far removed and alien from this one that no mage had actually ever explored that realm which many agree might be a good thing. Further the intrusion of these alien spirits was exactly the reason spider had chosen to manifest and begin finding agents as her spiritual webs were not enough to stop these spirits since they were finding ways to contact meta-humans and get them to pull them willing across which allowed them to bypass those protective spiritual webs and now they needed to hunted down and exposed so that they could be eradicated. Of course was also proving to be highly difficult.

Now at first glance Helios was looking at a Flesh Form that bizarre mixture of alien spirit and meta-human however that was fairly well documented since the fate filled incident in 2055 that ripped apart the very fabric of the spirit world leaving a gapping hole of nothing. Sure it rectified the current situation to some degree but it mostly just sent it underground since without the presence of magic these alien spirits just went dormant rather than being eradicated as some believe. So what had them so perplexed he eyed the thing shifting his sight to the metaphysical to see what it revealed. Were there actually two spirits here some how merged, as that would truly be some what new and extremely abnormal from what he understood although not outside the realm of possibilities since there were Forms which appeared completely as normal meta-human bodies but only housed one of these alien spirits and since the events of Chicago these alien spirits have been striving for these types of mergers. In doing so perhaps they created an even newer hybrid form.

As he examined the spirit realm he said, "Yes Spider made herself known in response to this incursion in order to help in getting the presence of these alien spirits removed as they do not belong here but I would express that we are not dealing with just normal insect spirits but completely alien spirits that simply manifest insectoid appearances. Perhaps to just add confusion into the mix, hard to say. Now I know that may seem like a rather fine line to make but it is a very necessary one. This is because what they have done thus far may only be scratching the surface of what they could be fully capable of doing. There are believed, by some, to be greater horrors out there but what if these are just the beginning tendrils of those greater horrors. Which is to say what if those most unspeakable horrors begin by extending very small pieces of themselves that simply take the form of these insectoid like spirits and then once they have a strong enough grasp they manifest in much bigger ways. Now while that last bit is mere speculation, it is worth keeping in mind when dealing with these things, which is to say we really do not know the full extent of what it is we are actually dealing with as of yet and perhaps if we are lucky enough we never will."
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Jan 18, 2020 2:16 pm
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Go ahead and describe as you please with poetic licence. Characterisation-wise whatever Helios thinks and says is fully true as far as he knows it. I'll use the successes of your rolls to affirm how much Helios knows. In this case, your Knowledge (Insects) will contribute to any Perception / Assensing tests about insect spirits by making the roll relevant to the knowledge area. You have 5 hits on Perception, I'll describe what that looks like.
"Interesting theory Mr Zen. We were told you possessed some degree of knowledge in this area." There were two other persons in the room when Helios and Hong arrived. "I am Darius Chan, and this is Kumoi Mizawa." A older-looking bespectacled scientist who had been behind a test equipment station stepped forward, accompanied by an even older white-haired man with small eyes and walked with a limping, almost side-to-side gait. "Come, we can enter so you may have a closer look." Hong keyed in a code, and all four men approached the table with the human insect restrained.

"Without speculating on the metaphysics of the matter, consider the features on this specimen. You are familiar with true form, which are spirits, and flesh form, which are insects with human hosts. This one looks like a flesh form, but with distinct differences." Darius waved Helios forward. Helios, given the chance to examine the body more closely, noted that the bug before him did not seem as if it was mutated from an original human body, as all flesh forms were. Helios had witnessed some of those mutations: human limbs would literally reform into insect appendages, sense organs like eyes would transform into multiple lenses, wings would sprout. This one before them did not bear any sign of metamorphosis. It appeared that it was a hybrid human-insect body, that both co-existed and grew together, inseparable. Perhaps it grew into adulthood from human insect reproduction, or perhaps it was a new evolutionary strain of human, or insect. It was not something Helios had seen before.

Helios' astral perception revealed to him an aura of the body as being both material and spirit. At the same time he understood that the room was hedged from the external astral plane, presumably as a means of protection and defence.

"On the other hand, if Mr Zen wants to discuss metaphysics after he's made his evaluation, I'd be happy to hear his thoughts." Mizawa smiled an inscrutable but friendly smile.
Jan 20, 2020 5:12 pm
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Okay we have 3 forms True Form, Flesh Form(failed merger), and Good Form -- this last one I am calling the Human Form because to me "Good" does not follow the theme and really to them IMO the best form (or Good Form) would be the True Form
What laid before Helios made no real sense when it came to the Alien Spirits and how they had been operating and this made it a bit disturbing as that would mean some entity was creating/growing Flesh Form look a likes for some as of yet unknown purpose. Still he had been asked to consult on this and so he would do just that. "From my current understanding of what these Alien Spirits are striving for, this would not be a direction they would seem to want to pursue. The Flesh Form is considered inferior to the True Form and not as useful as the Human Form, so I cannot see them wasting efforts into creating a better failed merger. I would see them, instead, pursuing endeavors to create more True and Human Forms. Still that is not to say this is not an attempt to do just that. Were you able to question this individual at all?"
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Jan 21, 2020 11:35 am
Mizawa nodded at Helios' evaluation. "What you call human form would certainly be a more stable and enduring form, and provide a pure alternative to their true form."

Darius replied to Helios' question, "No there was no chance to communicate with it. We do have some clues as to its origins. See this." The scientist turned the body over. On its back were wings, but on those wings were what was unmistakeably a irezumi, or full back tattoo, that intricately covered the wings and also the down the spine and back. It was common knowledge that the Japanese yakuza bore tattoos like these.

Mizawa spoke up again, responding to Helios' more speculative and metaphysical concerns. "Perhaps the better question isn't what these spirits are striving for, perhaps there are other explanations, other agendas. As much as you have heard from your guide, I have heard from mine. Tell me, does your guide impel you to look further into this?"
Jan 21, 2020 3:57 pm
"My question about if you had been able to question it was aimed at seeing if you had any additional information on its source as my thoughts lie in the direction of some purely native element creating these for their own purpose. What that actual purpose is I would not be able to say without further data." Helios glanced at those present and pointed to the hybrid, "Would you mind if I tried to probed its mind, or have you attempted that already?"

Answering Mizawa last question Helios replies, "My guide and I are in one accord, and as such it never needs to compel me. Further I sometimes look into things purely for informational reasons. But to perhaps answer your main question, if there were good indications that this was related to the alien spirits then yes I would pursue this in order to expose it but as I stated I do not currently feel it is so. However, if you would like me to pursue this on your behalf I would not be opposed to doing that. I do not see this kind of meddling as being a good thing, and further it could potentially cause alien spirit issues even if it did not start that way."
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Jan 22, 2020 2:03 pm
"By all means," Darius motioned for Helios to examine the body as he pleased, even as Mizawa weighed Helios' reply. "Ah, perhaps I misunderstood when you said earlier that Spider revealed itself to you in response to this in order to deal with their presence here."
Jan 22, 2020 7:04 pm
Nods a thank you to Darius then replies to Mizawa, "Well it is as I said it is just they do not impel me as I am more than willing to further the purpose to which they contacted me for. It was an agreement we entered into and all things considered I see no reason why I would want to break our agreement. These alien spirits are not at all a good thing to have existing here where they should not be."

Helios then prepares himself just in case as alien influenced minds were never a pretty thing to delve into. The ruin the wreck on someone's psyche was just horrible but then again he was hoping his speculations were true and this was not a true alien influenced individual. Once he was prepared he touch the creatures forehead and stepped inside.
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If I get any Edge in conjunction with this spell I will use it to enhance the Mind Probe part and/or if needed I may spend a point or two (as that is all I have) but only if it will get me something extra -- if I can do that -- cannot quite remember how to apply Edge
Last edited January 22, 2020 7:11 pm

Rolls

Mind Probe - (13d6)

(3612121232354) = 35

Resist Drain 2 - (13d6)

(5262664614252) = 51

Jan 23, 2020 2:30 pm
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Yes Helios gains 1 Edge in this opposed test, 13d6 vs 9d6. However, it's currently 2 successes vs 4 successes, so it doesn't look like your going to be able to spend sufficient Edge to gain net hits though. I'll proceed to describe the lack of success, unless you think of some other action.
Helios took a moment to focus his thoughts, and delved into the subject's mind. Although the subject was sedated and was not able to consciously resist Helios, the inside of his mind was a different matter. It was a jumble of thoughts, more like scattered neural impulses. Some of them were evidently pure perceptions and responses; others were more recognisably human in characteristics. None were comprehensible.

As Helios completed his scan, Darius observed the disappointment on his expression. "We were unable to glean nor extract any mental information of value either."

Just then, Helios' commlink blipped. It was a message from a runner he used to work with, Missy.

Rolls

Willpower + Logic (vs Mind Probe) - (9d6)

(224155653) = 33

Jan 23, 2020 11:30 pm
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Okay let me clarify something -- are you indicating that the unconscious mind can resist? Or was that Willpower + Logic roll simply a mechanic for what actually had occurred? Note I am currently assuming that an unconscious mind cannot resist or at least not as good as it could if it were conscious.
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Jan 24, 2020 1:45 am
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Yes that's simply the mechanic for to opposed roll. Mechanically, it isn't the case that unconscious minds automatically grant success to a mind probe. Or another way to read 2 vs 4 successes is to say you detect the thoughts but cannot make sufficient sense of them. I can grant another point of Edge for probing an unconscious mind. But like I said do you have some other option or action I hadn't considered? If so go ahead and declare it, and the story will evolve accordingly.
Jan 24, 2020 5:13 am
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No we sorted it out -- mechanically speaking the unconscious mind is as difficult to read as the conscious mind -- but for different reasons --- that works fine by me
Even in incomprehensibility there could be clues Helios held up a finger as he closed his eyes to indicate he needed a moment. He then compared some of the incomprehensible imagery with other imagery he had obtained from alien spirit influenced minds to see if there were any similarities. He also compared this with other failed attempts against other minds he had probed to see if there were any similarities there. The difficulty of clearly reading an unconscious mind was basically about the same as clearly reading a conscious mind just for different reasons so not getting a clear reading was no surprise. Still he tried to discern what he could from the limited information he had obtained for within this may lie a clue.

At the specific blip tone that identified the sender, Helios tapped his commlink for later retrieval since letting it pass through to him meant he would be allowing those here direct access to that message and since he did not now what it contained it was better to wait until he was outside to receive said message.
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I am assuming the blip tone is something like -- You have mail -- but in this case its a message -- also a bit surprised I even received it while inside the facility -- I figured the room I am would have been isolated from such

Also Imagery Comparison Perceptional Memory (Logic 4 + Intuition 5 + Perception 2) + ST-Edge from Eidetic Memory + ST-Edge from Knowledge (Alien Spirits - Bugs) -- spending these to get an extra success. Now if getting another success would be significant (currently 4) and/or needed I could spend the LT-Edge you gave me earlier and one of my base Edge to raise it to 5 successes -- but I am still trying to get a better feel for what successes mean and how Edge is used
Last edited January 24, 2020 5:26 am

Rolls

Imagery Comparison Perceptional Memory (Logic + Intuition) - (11d6)

(15326336313) = 36

Jan 24, 2020 2:48 pm
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The room was secure against astral access, but not necessarily against comms.

Let me help with this roll. If you're doing a Memory test, that's Logic 4 + Intuition 5, and your Photographic Memory will give you 1 Edge. This is not a Perception roll, so you don't get to add Perception to it. Your Mind Probe earlier presumably gave you all the 'perception' information you want, ie. the 'imagery', so this roll is simply to see whether Helios remembers these 'imagery' features from previous creatures he's examined before. So the correct roll is 9d6. Since you already rolled 11 dice, I shall just take the first 9. That's 3 successes for now.
[ +- ] Memory and Knowledge Skills
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For Memory tests, it doesn't say that having the Knowledge skill grants Edge for the test, it simply says having that relevant area of knowledge allows you to make a Memory test. Since you have Knowledge (Insect Spirits), you are allowed to make this Memory test.

Yes, you may use the 1 Edge earlier which you banked, plus the 1 Edge from your Photographic Memory, for a total of 2 Edge, to give you 1 extra success. So right now, you have 4 successes. If you want 5 successes, you'll have to spend both points of your original Edge. But even with 4 successes, I can give you the following.
Helios's mind probe had left him with many images in his head, representing thoughts, perceptions and various impulses, nothing he could make sense of. However, he remembered that he had encountered similar kinds of thoughts and neural patterns in previous insect spirits he had probed before, and also in previous humans. It was for certain that the brain patterns of this creature were identical to both insect spirits and humanoids.
Jan 24, 2020 11:31 pm
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Helios continues conversing in Sperethiel, "Well even within incomprehensibility information can be found, as is the case here. As it appears that we do have a mixture of psyches here. I discerned not only alien spirit mental patterns but also humanoid mental patterns. This we all know is not the case when an alien spirit takes over a humanoid body as the humanoid spirit and its mental aspects are completely consumed by the alien spirit creating a mind that contains only alien spirit mental patterns. This could also be why this mind is so hard to read. So since this does involve alien spirits I would be more than happy to assist you in this matter and give you full credit for any exposure that is obtained."
Jan 25, 2020 1:12 am
It was Hong who replied next. "I appreciate your earnestness Mr Zen. Jase wasn't wrong when he said you'd be willing to render any assistance you could. We aren't seeking credit here, only answers, to gather enough information to understand what we're dealing with here. We're the poorer forensics cousin of the research facility you saw when arriving here." Hong permitted himself a little joke. "For any credit at all, we'd all have to be working for Ares Research."

Helios noticed that Mizawa's face was the most pensive upon this revelation. "I am concerned as to how they made their way to Hong Kong," he muttered in Japanese as he stared at the tattoo. Darius replied, "Triads and yakuza working together? Impossible."
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On Discord I thought we were talking about a Perception test. For a Perception test, I would certainly rule that relevant Knowledge gives Edge on such tests. Which is why I granted Edge for your Mind Probe, because you had Knowledge (Insects).
This roll however was a Memory test. For Memory tests, Knowledge grants 'permission' to make the Memory test, without the knowledge, there would be no chance to have the memory.
The number of successes on a Memory test would reveal how much you remember. My interpretation of 4 successes is that Helios remembers very accurately that what he observed corresponds with all his past memories of insect minds and human minds. So he remembers both well and accurately. If he had say only 1 or 2 successes, I would've described it as him remembering perhaps only one instance when he came across something similar. With more and more successes I'd describe the vividness of his memory, fleshing out a number of these memorable encounters.
Jan 25, 2020 1:26 am
Helios nods to Hong's comment and says in Sperethiel, "I see, well sometimes if spun correctly I have seen recognition for such discoveries equate to increased funding and respect, neither of which I can really use but I am sure it might help you and your facility which is why made the offer."

To Mizawa's comment, after committing the phrase to memory, Helios said in Sperethiel, "Pardon me Mizawa what did you say?"
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Jan 25, 2020 12:41 pm
Mizawa had lapsed into his native tongue from force of habit as he was deep in thought. To Helios' clarification he replied, "I was expressing my concern about the activities of the yakuza in Hong Kong, as this creature bears the unmistakeable tattoo of a yak."

"Knight Errant specialists, a tactical arm of the police force, neutralised this creature near Tsuen Wan, which had recently seen a resurgence of ant and beetle insect spirits. Those insect spirits we discovered were of the common variety, familiar to you and to ourselves, and we possessed the appropriate equipment to suppress those. This one was different, and more dangerous. We found no others like it in that incident," explained Darius.

"Our next step will be to contact my counterpart over at Japan's forensics HQ, to alert them." Hong chipped in. "We will send over our findings, and they'll probably want us to ship the specimen back to them for their own investigations."
Jan 25, 2020 8:44 pm
"You made a comment that I was wondering if you would expound upon. The normal alien spirits were susceptible to the various tools that are known to affect them adversely but this creature was not affected by those tools or just less affected by them?" Helios found this bit of information to be a rather disturbing detail and not minor in the least regardless of the answer.
Jan 26, 2020 1:04 am
"There have been a number of methods developed over the years to deal with insect spirits. Project Aegis, for example, owns a strain of astral bacteria to deal with their astral forms. Some spells have also been developed to address either their minds or their physiologies. Certain ammunition have also been known to be more effective. No one wants the Chicago disaster, when then had to resort to a tactical nuke." Darius rattled off a summary of his knowledge, as befitted an experienced scientist.
"The report for this one was that it was resistant, possibly immune. As you can see, we did not manage to kill it like we did the others, but only managed to neutralise it."
Jan 26, 2020 1:33 am
"So it appears that some agent is working on creating a merger that removes the inherent weaknesses while keeping most of the strengths. I do not have to explain to you all just how bad that could end up being as I think we are all quite aware of the consequences if said agent succeeds on reproducing this," Helios points at the bug man, "on a larger scale. Still all of this does not answer the question of why did it come to Hong Kong? Why not just stay in Japan and under the radar?" Helios exams the creature visually again does it appear to be an ant or a beetle or something else hybrid?
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Do I need to make a roll for that?
Jan 26, 2020 2:17 am
"That is exactly the conundrum we have yet to solve." Hong nodded. "The criminal and investigative departments are looking into that. Our findings, or lack thereof, contribute to that."

With Helios' familiarity with insect flesh forms, this was neither an ant nor beetle form. It possessed wings of the hymenoptera family, akin to bees, wasps and hornets.
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No roll needed this knowledge would have been easy for Helios to already know, given his understanding of various insect features.
Jan 26, 2020 2:49 am
"Now you may know these things and you may not but I am going to put them out there to just be thorough. You mentioned that this was found in a region where some normalish ant and beetle alien spirits existed and we all know that currently these different alien spirits do not tend to work together and some of them even prey on one another. Further we know that the ant is highly social while the beetle tends to be more small group oriented each of these uses different tactics and are reasonable to be found near each other and yet not be working together. Then we have this," Helios points at the creature, "it is neither ant nor beetle, but what is more perplexing is its not one of the more solitary types as its a wasp which is highly social like the ant but everything thus far points to it having come from Japan. Why would a highly social or mass pack oriented type insect alien spirit leave its pack and come to Hong Kong?" Helios pauses and then looks at the others, "Has the area been searched for other Wasp spirits? The ants tend to be underground, beetles surface area, but wasps like to be high up so they could all exists within the same area without stepping on one another's toes per-sae."
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Jan 26, 2020 10:54 am
"The report revealed only ant and beetle flesh form spirits, and this singular wasp hybrid you see here." Hong revealed what he knew from the incident. "Thank you for your time and your insights Mr Zen. As this is an ongoing investigation we will require you to observe a confidentiality agreement, for legal purposes." The forensic head thanked Helios, and brought their meeting to a close.

"If you're interested in this new form, we can work something out. I will be in neo-Tokyo myself, to follow up on the research and analysis." Mizawa added.
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We can finish up any last conversations or actions in this thread, otherwise if your next destination is to meet Missy, then we'll resume in the other thread.
Jan 26, 2020 4:16 pm
"Well I hope that what little I could provide proves to truly be helpful in your investigation of this." Helios gestures to the creature. He nods in accession to the statement about the confidential agreement and could not imagine whom he would even share this information with other than other active bug hunters which he currently was not aware of. "If my path takes me to neo-Tokyo I will sure to get in contact with you and if I happen to stumble across any additional information I will be sure to send it your way."

He gives a respectful bow to each person present and leaves with his escort. He thanks them once more for the enlightening opportunity and reassures them of his adherence to confidentiality. He also injects that they should feel free to call on him anytime in regards to these kinds of things. He then makes his way out of the facility. Once clear of the grounds he receives the message from Missy and makes his reply.
Jan 27, 2020 5:23 am
Hong transferred Kumoi Mizawa's contact details to Helios; he was a ranking xenobiologist at the Mukade Institute, Japan.

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