Xain Character Discussions

Jun 23, 2020 5:31 pm
This thread is for discussing Xain's character please do not post anything here that is not related to Xain's character and yes collaborating with Xain is consider fair postings.

Please make your rolls in here and outline what your are doing so that I can give you feedback on the world. Do note though this game borrows heavily from the Forgotten Realms so you can use information from that setting to outline your background.
Jun 23, 2020 5:32 pm
Tentative discussion was either a Ranger or Scout -- perhaps based on a Ranger, Rogue, or Bard -- other player input on what the group might feel would work the best to help tie the new character is usually helpful
Jun 23, 2020 10:45 pm
I decided to give another try to my rogue forest gnome - maybe faith will be kinder to him here. Here's my rolls:
Last edited June 23, 2020 11:21 pm

Rolls

char roll 1 - (3d6+6)

(333) + 6 = 15

char roll 2 - (3d6+6)

(312) + 6 = 12

char roll 3 - (3d6+6)

(524) + 6 = 17

char roll 4 - (3d6+6)

(522) + 6 = 15

char roll 5 - (3d6+6)

(243) + 6 = 15

char roll 6 - (3d6+6)

(211) + 6 = 10

Jun 23, 2020 11:02 pm
Pfew, good rolls! I obvs will discard the last one!

If I understood correctly, summed up all the rolls and distributed them in the stats.

Currently my stats - without race or class modifiers - are:

STR 11
DEX 16
CON 12
INT 14
WIS 15
CHA 12

I'm going on to create a first draft of the character, I will tell you when I am done. Just to be clear, are we playing in the Sword Coast setting? And do I need to go through the Sword Coast Adventurer's guide before playing, or can I start even without having read it?

Also, I see that you do ask us to roll our backgrounds (thank you for treating us as adults!) - but what about characteristics and flaws? Do we need to stick to the handbook ones, or can we be more imaginative if it fits our character? For example, my character would most certainly suffer of pyrophobia - he can start a campfire if he really has to, and roast a hare, but that's pretty much the closest he can get to controlled fires. He avoids candles as much as he can (blessed be darkvision!). Uncontrolled fires, incendiary arrows, someone brandishing a torch at him? Pure panic.

I know I have so many questions, but I am pretty much a newbie as you are aware!
Last edited June 23, 2020 11:21 pm
Jun 24, 2020 2:02 am
This is taking place in a world that resembles Forgotten Realms but is not Forgotten Realms and the adventure takes place in Far Reach a place that does not actually even exist in the normal Forgotten Realms -- so while knowing stuff about the Forgotten Realms is useful it is not necessary

These are the results of your rolls -- your numbers looked a bit off so I assume you misunderstood how it worked -- and no you do not discard an entire set of numbers just the lowest of each set of 3:

char roll 1 - 12

char roll 2 - 11

char roll 3 - 15

char roll 4 - 13

char roll 5 - 13

char roll 6 - 9
Jun 24, 2020 4:52 pm
Saw your character sheet thus far
DeJoker sent a note to Xain
Jun 24, 2020 5:00 pm
STATS AND HP ROLL

Well, since I already proved how thick I can get, I'll double check: I can assign those results to any stat, I suppose?

If that is the case, then my little boy will be:

[ +- ] Stats before modifiers
[ +- ] Stats before modifiers - updated
So, by applying the Gnome and Forest Gnome modifiers (Gnome: +2 INT; Forest gnome: +1 Dex):

[ +- ] Stats after modifiers
[ +- ] Stats after modifiers - updated
Now, if I understood correctly, the homebrew for this game state that I get max hit points for the first level (8 for Rogue), then "Rogue gets 1d8 = (1d4 + 4 + Con Mod)". Since I need to level up to 3rd level Rogue, my hit points should be 8+(2d4+8+0), i.e., if my maths don't fail me, 2d4+16.

And the roll is...
Last edited June 24, 2020 6:38 pm

Rolls

Hit points (HP) - (2d4+16)

(13) + 16 = 20

Jun 24, 2020 5:27 pm
SKILLS AND PROFICIENCIES

20 hit points. Not the strongest, but hey, he was never intended to be a superhero, was he?

So, according to the handbook, Rogues have those proficiencies
[ +- ] Rogue proficiencies
[ +- ] Scout proficiencies
[ +- ] Outlander: Animal catcher and trainer
Moreover, he has Expertise, which counts as a double proficiency. So my choice of proficiency would be:

From class: Athletics (expertise), Insight, Investigation, Perception (expertise)
From archetype: Nature, Survival
From background: Animal Handling, Stealth
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Jun 24, 2020 5:40 pm
Sounds good -- just a word of warning though -- this game focuses a bit more on survival and a 9 Strength will limit your carrying capacity (not necessarily bad btw) so -- only purely as a suggestion -- you might want to consider swapping Str with Cha -- and play the character as being a bit less socially adept and less sure of themselves ... as Charisma is a measure of how good you interact with others and your emotional/mental fortitude -- self-confidence and such
Jun 24, 2020 5:50 pm
Suggestion accepted!

So now it's
[ +- ] Adjusted stats
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Jun 24, 2020 6:17 pm
BACKGROUND, PERSONALITY, IDEALS, BONDS AND FLAWS
I'm not sure how to handle background.
[ +- ] Back story info
So he should be either a Far traveler/Fugitive or an Outlander/Trapper. Do I have to add the relative proficiencies to my class one? And what about the ones that repeat themselves, should I double them up?

As for personality, my character is driven by
[ +- ] Back story info
Other than that, he is shy, quiet (sometimes that is misunderstood for sulking, an unusual behaviour for a gnome) and an avid reader. He hates to be at the centre of attention.
His ideal then would be to do justice to his people, and, aside from that, prevent similar horrors to happen (that, I guess, would be his bond).
Finally, as I said before, I would like my character to be scared of fire,
[ +- ] Back story info
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Jun 24, 2020 6:21 pm
ABILITIES

This should not be controversial, since they should directly derive from class and race (and background, once I have a clear one).

So far, they are:
[ +- ] Abilities (updated to take into account the Scout Archetype)
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Jun 24, 2020 6:30 pm
ARCHETYPES, MAGIC AND THINGS THAT GO BOOM

Here's another tricky point - since, if the DM allows me to, I would like to be an Arcane Trickster - and I have a good backstory reason for it.
[ +- ] The backstory reason
I'm waiting for the DM to get back at me before I start choosing spells.


Update - I had missed the post where the DM suggested me to be a Scout. So be it, scout. Don't be surprised if I multiclass as a wizard at some point, though!

Regardless of that, as a Forest Gnome, I already know the Minor Illusion cantrip (on Intelligence).
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Jun 24, 2020 7:05 pm
BACK STORY

To be filled
Jun 24, 2020 7:05 pm
EQUIPMENT
[ +- ] From class
[ +- ] From background
Thank you for the pet, by the way. So, with the basic equipment, I total 110.75 pounds. The maximum I can carry, if that is Str*15 -25% (since I am Small), that is 135. However, if I carry more than Str*5 -25% = 45, I am Encumbered. If I carry more than Str*10 -25% = 90, I am Heavily Encumbered.

Is that even possible that I am encumbered just with the basic equipment?
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Jun 24, 2020 7:28 pm
Note when taking Backgrounds you do not have to take what is suggested and can swap things with caveat that it ought to be a reasonable association with the persons background so when you get done you would generally acquire

2 Skill Proficiencies -- and -- 2 either Tool or Language Proficiencies (aka 2 Tools -or- 1 Tool 1 Language -or- 2 Languages)

And you can get into magic later but you might want to delve into something more nature oriented -- as for the cantrip I would suggest Prestidigitation as it has to be the most useful convenience spell out there and it does a bit more than what you will find in the book because it has been made more generic in nature within in this world

And yes you can have a pet -- but you need to have Animal Handling skill and preferably as a Proficiency which you can use as one of your background skills maybe you were an Animal Catcher/Raiser/Trainer instead of a Trapper and the pet (fully trained) can take the place of that "odd item" everyone gets from their background
Jun 24, 2020 7:42 pm
That being said and say you choose to go with the Animal Handler Background here is a modified Outlander background to reflect that

Outlander
You grew up in the wilds, far from civilization and the comforts of town and technology. You've witnessed the migration of herds larger than forests, survived weather more extreme than any city-dweller could comprehend, and enjoyed the solitude of being the only thinking creature for miles in any direction. The wilds are in your blood, and you grew up learning how to be an animal handler. Now even in places where you do not know the specific features of the terrain, you know the ways of the wild.

Skill Proficiencies
Animal Handling, Survival

Tool Proficiencies
Woodcarver’s Tools (for making cages and live traps), Herbalism Kit (for making natural mixtures to cure or aid the animals)

Equipment
Handaxe (used as much as a weapon as a tool), a live trap, a fully trained pet, a set of traveler's clothes, and a belt pouch containing 10 gp

Feature: Wanderer
You have an excellent knack with some aspect of nature and gain expertise with one of the following skills (Survival, Nature, or Animal Handling). In addition, when foraging for food or water, the character can re-roll one die but must use that second roll.

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Oh and because it has come up in one of the games --- Having proficiency with Tools does not mean you actually own those tools and attempting to do something without the proper tools carries Disadvantage while not having the Tools and not being proficient with a Tool Proficiency carries the Disadvantage and the restriction that you cannot obtain a result higher than 10 regardless of the roll.
Jun 24, 2020 9:20 pm
I do like the idea of being an Animal Catcher and trainer, it even fits better with the idea I had of Yeryn.
I will try to get into magic later and will keep in mind your suggestion for the Prestidigitation cantrip and choosing a nature-oriented class - probably a druid.

Ok, I did a some changes now (I will also update the relevant part of the thread so that everything will be consistent).

I consider that an animal catcher and trainer must be good at making himself invisible, so I consider it to give me (if you're fine with it)
Animal Handling, Stealth
as proficiencies, instead of Survival (that I would have anyway since I am a Scout).

Since I will have the stealth from my background, though, it is pointless that I pick it as my class proficiency.
So, my new proficiencies from my class would be:
Athletics (expertise), Insight, Investigation and Perception (expertise)
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Jun 24, 2020 11:04 pm
Xain says:
I am a bit confused, I just added just my class and background equipment and my characters already is Heavily Encumbered... is that normal?
Yes it can be it kind of depends on what you are trying to carry there are a lot of heavy things associated with starting stuff, perhaps getting a "riding" dog and use it as a sort of "pack" dog instead might be useful to you -- small folk always have the issue of get weighed down -- also part of the point to this game is balancing those logistics so you have what you need to survive and can survive because you can still move ;)

A nice thing I allow is for you to sell the stuff off at book price -- also there are ways to get things made lighter especially things like armor and other leather goods
Jun 24, 2020 11:19 pm
DeJoker says:
Yes it can be it kind of depends on what you are trying to carry there are a lot of heavy things associated with starting stuff, perhaps getting a "riding" dog and use it as a sort of "pack" dog instead might be useful to you -- small folk always have the issue of get weighed down -- also part of the point to this game is balancing those logistics so you have what you need to survive and can survive because you can still move ;)

A nice thing I allow is for you to sell the stuff off at book price -- also there are ways to get things made lighter especially things like armor and other leather goods
Thanks for the clarification! I will give equipment a thought tomorrow, then. (It's quite late here).
Jun 25, 2020 11:24 pm
Hi DeJoker,

I am doing the maths on an Google sheet file, can I share the link (and put it in the char sheet in the Equipment section)?

I was also looking at your post on Saddle Bags in the House rules thread, and I see you make a distinction between Saddle Packs and Small/Large Pack. I suppose that Saddle Packs allow you to install a saddle and ride the mount, while Small and Large Packs do not allow you to ride the animal?

....................... Weight ...... Cost ........ Capacity
Saddle Bags ........... 8lbs ........ 4gp ......... 15lbs x2
Saddle Packs ........ 12lbs ........ 6gp ......... 30lbs x2
Small Pack ........... 15lbs ...... 15gp ......... 90lbs x2
Large Pack ........... 25lbs ...... 30gp ....... 180lbs x2
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Jun 25, 2020 11:31 pm
Also, the Minor Illusion cantrip requires a bit of fleece as material component. The traveler's clothes include " a wool skirt or breeches". I suppose I can take the fleece from those, and I do not need to buy a component pouch?

Sorry if I am going slowly, but doing the maths is proving harder than expected.
Jun 25, 2020 11:51 pm
So, with my 750gp I'd like to purchase:

1 mastiff
1 riding saddle
1 pair of saddle packs
1 book on the folk tales of the Far Reach (is it considered a common, uncommon or rare book?)
6 Apples
2 lbs of Quinoa
20 additional ammunitions for my ranged weapon

If it is possible, I would also like to sell my bow and arrows and buy a light crossbow and bolts.
Jun 26, 2020 6:09 am
Okay I would strongly suggest you just get a Spell Focus of some sort this does away with the need for a Component Pouch (although I have repurposed Component Pouch anyway) since the Spell Focus does away with the need for minor components fairly light and easy to carry.

And yes you can sell everything if you want and buy a bunch of other stuff totally up to you as stated -- book price for all the stuff you sell and the stuff you buy.

Hmm interesting tell you what make a Investigation roll for the Folk Tales of Far Reach and we'll take it from there as to what it ends up being.
Jun 27, 2020 2:25 pm
Hi DeJoker,

I've been out and about yesterday so I'm just back on GP today.
I did not know how a focus worked, but for what I could read is tied to a class? I am happy to get a focus instead of the Pouch, but what focus should I get as a Rogue?

A very minor point, but I saw that in the house rules you suggest that Gnomes do not have a surname. Yet the 5e's handbook says
Quote:
Gnomes love names, and most have half a dozen or so. A gnome's mother, father, clan elder, aunts, and uncles each give the gnome a name, and various nicknames from just about everyone else might or might not stick over time. Gnome names are typically variants on the names of ancestors or distant relatives, though some are purely new inventions. When dealing with humans and others who are "stuffy" about names, a gnome learns to use no more than three names: a personal name, a clan name, and a nickname, choosing the one in each category that’s the most fun to say.
Should I surnames as the clan name or just forget it altogether?
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Rolls

Sifting through market stalls to find a rare Folk Tales book (Investigation) - (1d20+4)

(4) + 4 = 8

Jun 27, 2020 2:26 pm
I feel it will be a badly written children's book...
Jun 27, 2020 3:12 pm
Here you can find the inventory file.


I eventually went for a small pack, and got rid of the riding saddle (anyway, who'd want to ride a dog?). I also added (tentatively) a Sprig of Mistletoe as a focus, as my character could multiclass as Druid at some point. I am selling my shortbow & 20 arrows and buying a Light Crossbow with 40 bolts. I am waiting for the price of the book, but anyway I am large on money as I should be well under 200gp.

I am going to write the background and find a suitable profile picture, then maybe a quick catch-up with the play so far (although I am a bit scared of doing so for fear of metagaming - what do you suggest?), and then I am ready to become a gnome stew soon enough! Yay!
Last edited June 27, 2020 3:22 pm
Jun 27, 2020 4:30 pm
Who would want to ride a riding dog -- well Hin and Gnomes mostly ;) --- as for the clan names and son of so-in-so and such go shoot for the sky if you like ;) those are not surnames

Jon son of Borg son of Dirk and Ellie and Maddi daughter of Aldo and Marge of Clan Bumblebrook from Underhill

This is called Lineage which Dwarves use extensively -- then Clan names are not surnames -- and city names are not surnames --- yes eventually these things turned into surnames when surnames stopped being a only aristocracy thing


Book -- Rare
Jun 27, 2020 5:14 pm
DeJoker says:
Who would want to ride a riding dog -- well Hin and Gnomes mostly ;) --- as for the clan names and son of so-in-so and such go shoot for the sky if you like ;) those are not surnames
Well, ok, the real reason is that I was having an headache just by trying to fit all my basic equipment in 2 saddle packs. And if I understand correctly, small packs would not allow a saddle to be installed, right?
DeJoker says:
Book -- Rare
Oh, wow! I was not expecting that!
Jun 27, 2020 6:04 pm
Profile picture
This shoudl be my profile picture - tell me what you think.
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1CWU0dZB3630cdpMa9594PRGIbsHhHO6T
Jun 27, 2020 6:19 pm
well... looks okay... does not look much like a DnD Gnome though ;) but that is totally up to you if that is the pic you like then use it
Jun 28, 2020 12:11 am
DeJoker says:
well... looks okay... does not look much like a DnD Gnome though ;) but that is totally up to you if that is the pic you like then use it
Well, I tried to make it more gnome-y, I am not a wizard of photoshop so I can't really do anything more than that.

https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1SnlB9RG4w-UlEDvn-p3fpPlmmium-1W9
Quote:
Skinny and flaxen-haired, his skin walnut brown and his eyes a startling turquoise [...]

Their tan or brown faces are usually adorned with broad smiles (beneath their prodigious noses), and their bright eyes shine with excitement. Their fair hair has a tendency to stick out in every direction, as if expressing the gnome’s insatiable interest in everything around. [...] A male gnome’s beard, in contrast to his wild hair, is kept carefully trimmed...
Also, you should soon have my back story, and then I should be good to go!
Last edited June 28, 2020 12:26 am
Jun 28, 2020 7:54 pm
BACK STORY
[ +- ] Puff's back story
Tell me what you think, and if I need to do anything else or I'm good to go!
Last edited June 29, 2020 9:28 am
Jun 30, 2020 7:21 pm
Looks fairly nice, I play with a few of the minor details to tie it in a bit more tightly but for the most part it looks pretty solid.
Jul 1, 2020 1:32 pm
Great, I'll wait for your modifications and can't wait to get started!

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