Chapter 7C: Speculative Trading

Jul 11, 2024 11:46 pm
Hank and Mercer, let's continue the buying and selling of stuff in the Celestial Voyager cargo holds.

If someone else (Peter?) wanna trade as well, this side-thread should be used for that.

This thread is only for trade happening in orbit of Zyronis.
Previously....

Merchant’s group: Hank (Trade 2, Specialist 1) + Mercer (Connect 0, Charisma modifier 2)
Group's Expertise: 4
Friction: 3

Market modifiers: -2 Consumer, -1 Tool, +1 Mineral, +2 Agricultural


Selling
Quote:
Hank is still deciding on the Grav Plates and Data Storage.
Grav plates
Available to sell: 3 tons
Sells for: $27,500/ton

Data storage drives
Sells for: $12,000 (your 0.2 tons)

Available Trade Goods (buying)
Vibroswords - Modern versions of the katana, wakizashi, tsurugi and tanto
Sold by: Watauga Weapons and Armor
Types: Postech, Military
Galactic price: 10,000 credits/ton
Total avaliable: 28 tons
Minimum lot and increments: 1 ton
Purchase price: Roll 4d6l3-1 to let us know

Stunner rifles
Sold by: Watauga Weapons and Armor
Types: Postech, Military
Galactic price: 10,000 credits/ton
Total avaliable: 41 tons
Minimum lot and increments: 1 ton
Purchase price: Roll 4d6l3-1 to let us know
Jul 12, 2024 1:15 am
Although I’m interested, I’m still seeing how much I would need for the other side thread I’m working on (the kebble factory one) and not sure I would have money to spare! I will wait for more resolution for the other thread but if I miss the time limits for trade so be it.
Jul 12, 2024 3:25 am
I will have to check on our itinerary again (it's been a while is I last looked), but both of those should work for us, as I believe there is at least one world upcoming that will at least give us Posttech, if not Military, bonuses. I'll follow up soon.
Jul 13, 2024 3:11 am
So we need to roll friction for both, and our combined barter (3d6h2+2+2) for purchase price adjustment?
Jul 13, 2024 9:04 am
Sort of. Let me put a quick reminder of the trading rules used in Suns of Gold (Stars without Numbers trading supplement) that we adopted since the beginning and is further described here

As we did before, all trading rolls are using 3d6 (not 2d6) so we have an even stronger bell curve. Smaller numbers are always cheaper, higher more expensive. 10 is the base/galactic market price.

When buying, Hank's focus makes you keep the lower dice (4d6l3) so it will be cheaper. Then we subtract your combined skills and better attribute (0+2+2) to make it even lower, but add Friction (3) and any local market modifiers for the product (0 for both weapons)

So, someone should roll 4d6l3-1 twice to let us know both of those prices. If the group doesn't like any of them, you can discard it and roll 1d10 for another Zyronis trade good, but with increasingly higher Friction. Hank had rolled those weapons in a previous chapter, but we didn't have the time to finish those transactions as you moved on to the rescue mission.
Jul 13, 2024 2:07 pm
Here are the rolls ...

Rolls

Vibroswords - (4d6l3-1)

(2225) - 1 = 5

Stun rifles - (4d6l3-1)

(2631) - 1 = 5

Jul 13, 2024 2:14 pm
Oh, wow!

Our next destination is Dianreti III, which is +1 Postech and +2 Military, and is a perfect market for these. We'll buy as much of both as we can.
Jul 13, 2024 2:26 pm
Great rolls.

Available Trade Goods (buying)
Vibroswords - Modern versions of the katana, wakizashi, tsurugi and tanto
Sold by: Watauga Weapons and Armor
Types: Postech, Military
Galactic price: 10,000 credits/ton
Total avaliable: 28 tons
Minimum lot and increments: 1 ton
Purchase price: 5,000 credits/ton

Stunner rifles
Sold by: Watauga Weapons and Armor
Types: Postech, Military
Galactic price: 10,000 credits/ton
Total avaliable: 41 tons
Minimum lot and increments: 1 ton
Purchase price: 5,000 credits/ton
PCs have first choice of items and amounts, the rest is available for purchase by the Celestial Voyager.

If you (as a group) still have money left, you can roll 1d10 for another trade good and 4d6l3 for its price (ie. The third item has +1 Friction)
Jul 13, 2024 3:06 pm
@htech, Ok, it's been a while, so I've long forgotten. Could you please check our Status sheet and make sure all our info is up-to-date? Is Hank's totals correct? It might be, but I'm not sure. Also, is the ship's credits of 261K correct, too?

Also, what was the financial reward for this last mission? Just wanna make sure I am working with the up-to-date info. Thanks!
Last edited July 13, 2024 3:08 pm
Jul 13, 2024 4:33 pm
htech says:
Sort of. Let me put a quick reminder of the trading rules used in Suns of Gold (Stars without Numbers trading supplement) that we adopted since the beginning and is further described here


As we did before, all trading rolls are using 3d6 (not 2d6) so we have an even stronger bell curve. Smaller numbers are always cheaper, higher more expensive. 10 is the base/galactic market price.

When buying, Hank's focus makes you keep the lower dice (4d6l3) so it will be cheaper. Then we subtract your combined skills and better attribute (0+2+2) to make it even lower, but add Friction (3) and any local market modifiers for the product (0 for both weapons)

So, someone should roll 4d6l3-1 twice to let us know both of those prices. If the group doesn't like any of them, you can discard it and roll 1d10 for another Zyronis trade good, but with increasingly higher Friction. Hank had rolled those weapons in a previous chapter, but we didn't have the time to finish those transactions as you moved on to the rescue mission.

Thank you for the link and reminder... I'm just going to bookmark that link now...
Mercer would like to buy... 2 tons of each for a total of 20k. ( I was considering spending 25k... but I should probably keep more than 2k reserve...) And we're traveling 3 hexes so that'll be 420 to the CV? 4 tons *(15+(30*3 hexes) ?Edit: I'll get 3 tons of each, for 15k for each item, and 30k total.


It doesn't look like we have enough funds to buy up all that product if we wanted to; a third item doesn't look like it'll happen.
But I know we got 486,400 from the Starfire and Extract from earlier and spent $250k on an armory, so 261K looks right.
Last edited August 2, 2024 2:04 am
Jul 13, 2024 11:54 pm
Quote:
Also, what was the financial reward for this last mission? Just wanna make sure I am working with the up-to-date info. Thanks!
2,000 credits for the Celestial Voyager. I updated that account. The status sheet is up-to-date. Thanks!
Aug 4, 2024 5:09 am
Are we adding anything to the CV finds with the sale of the Ancient Drive ? Should we roll for that or just get a flat amount?
Aug 4, 2024 8:19 pm
OOC:
I already added a flat amount, as "negotiated" with Mariella. Pending:
- Deduct back payment for the crew from the CV sheet and increase for the crew in the status sheet.
- Deduct Dr. Calvin consultant bonus (2k) and all Synth replacement costs with steep discounts (5k total)
- Players to choose how much they wanna buy
- Hank to say how much to buy for the CV
Aug 5, 2024 10:33 pm
Hank will put up Cr2,500 to split a ton with the CV (he doesn't have enough for a full ton).

The CV funds will get 20.5 tons of the stunners and 20 tons of the vibroblades. (The odd half ton is the split with Hank.) That is a total of Cr202,500 for the two lots. This leaves a good reserve for the ship going forward (so I am not trying to just sell us down to the bottom credit again) and leaves enough tons for others to join in if they wish.

Hank will then try to fill the rest of the cargo space with freight to Dianreti III (our max now exceeds our capacity, so this shouldn't be a huge issue).
Aug 6, 2024 5:47 pm
At the point we're at, I think going to at least 50% funds makes sense. You can finish off the Vibroblade by getting 25 tons, and get 25-30 tons and still have half funds. (35.5 tons would be a total cost of 252,500[310,620 left], 30.5 would be 277,500[285,620 remaining])
Plus since we're going to a military planet it's a great revenue opportunity.
I'm not sure if it will translate exactly, but I'm sure we can find some way to profit from the Celestial Voyager having more assets. We're looking at a profit of around 150%.
Aug 6, 2024 5:58 pm
Hank is amenable to that. But, before finalizing the numbers, is Mercer going to get anything for himself? He can easily get up to six tons. Does Peter want to participate? He can easily get one ton. Also, is Mariella going to participate? I have no idea what her funds are.

Give that, doing 25 and 25.5 tons instead of 20 and 20.5 works for me, too. If no one does anything individually, I guess we could make that 28 of the vibroblades and 25.5 of the stunners. That is pretty close to suggestion above. Does that sound reasonable?
Aug 6, 2024 8:05 pm
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Also, is Mariella going to participate? I have no idea what her funds are.
Neither do I. =) No NPCs are going to participate in Speculative trading =)

Edit: At least, not directly. Maybe they will through the crew's funds...
Aug 6, 2024 8:39 pm
Daryen says:
Hank is amenable to that. But, before finalizing the numbers, is Mercer going to get anything for himself? He can easily get up to six tons.
PhoenixScientist says:
I'll get 3 tons of each, for 15k for each item, and 30k total.
Aug 6, 2024 10:21 pm
OK, let's make it this then:
Mercer gets: 3 tons of Vibroblades; 3 tons of Stunners.
Hank gets: 0.5 tons of Stunners.
Celestial Voyager gets: 25 tons of Vibroblades; 25.5 tons of Stunners.

That buys out the Vibroblades and puts a serious dent into the Stunners. Let's hope the rolls for the sale are good!
Aug 6, 2024 11:08 pm
If someone could point me to the backpay post, I know I saw it go by, but can't seem to find it. Corbin would be in for a some of Stunners once I figure out what my money actually is.
Aug 6, 2024 11:19 pm
Here
htech says:
Back pay: 24,100 credits due

Start End Who How much for each (credits)
119 165 Main crew (Hank, Corbin, Erin, Jil) 4,600
162 165 Mercer300
138 165 Morgan, Mariella 2,700
Aug 7, 2024 12:06 am
Thanks for the link and the prompt response, PhoenixScientist. =)
Aug 7, 2024 1:14 am
Ooo. That's right! Hank gets a full ton of Stunners, and the CV just does an even 25 tons of Stunners.

Corbin can get a full ton, too, if he wants to.

Peter can get one or two tons, depending on his interest.
Aug 7, 2024 12:34 pm
Yep, Corbin is in for a full ton of Stunners.
Aug 8, 2024 12:59 am
Peter will go for 1ton of Stunner rifles, all he can afford after his side hustle investments.
Aug 8, 2024 1:01 am
The ship's funds has 9k from Erin and Maya. Feel free to decide what to do with it, Daryen.
Aug 9, 2024 3:53 pm
Hank will adjust the exact mix the CV buys to allow for the below ...

Hank adds Cr1000 to the future ship's funds to bring it to Cr10K. He then buys one ton of each for the fund. (He's now down to just under 1.5K.)

So, I think the final total is this:
Hank: 1 ton of Stunners
Mercer: 3 tons of Vibroblades and 3 tons of Stunners
Corbin: 1 ton of Stunners
Peter: 1 ton of Stunners
Douklan: Not getting anything
Future Ship's Fund: 1 ton of Vibroblades and 1 ton of Stunners
CV: 24 tons of Vibroblades and 26 34 tons of Stunners.

(Though, if we get 34 tons of Stunners, we'd have bought both out lots.)
(We buy out both lots.)
Last edited August 10, 2024 5:39 pm
Aug 9, 2024 4:00 pm
At this point it's tempting to get the whole lot...
Last edited August 9, 2024 4:00 pm
Aug 9, 2024 4:17 pm
If you sell the grav plates and data storage, assuming nothing wrong happens, you would receive another 39.5k... With 500 credits more, you get the whole lot.
Aug 9, 2024 4:35 pm
We only need 8 more tons to get it all. We still even have that just in the regular CV funds
But also they both will probably sell better at Diantreri III, as they are Postech. It is just a +1 but still.
Aug 10, 2024 5:38 pm
Yeah, I was planning on selling the Grav Plates and Data Storage at Dianreti III because of that postech modifier.

But even without selling everything, we can buy all 69 tons for Cr345K. Even if the CV funds were used to buy all of it, we have that easily covered. Subtract out the 11 tons others are getting, and the CV only has to pay for 58 tons for Cr290K. So ... let's just go ahead and do that and hope for the best. In for a penny; in for a pound. No reason to leave the 8 tons behind.

I modified my post above to reflect this.
Aug 10, 2024 11:45 pm
Great. Closing this thread. I will update the status and CV sheets on Monday.

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