OOC Chat

Dec 28, 2024 6:52 pm
Welcome. Still gathering players at this point. Check through the rules if you've not already (it's a super simple setup).
Dec 30, 2024 10:46 pm
Been reading the playtest package. It seems the basic setup is we each create a wizard, and then housestaff for each of the other wizards.

If my summary above is correct we could create a character sheet that contains both your wizard and your supporting characters, with separate stats and avatars for each.

But before we get to those details, how do we want to start this?
Dec 31, 2024 3:33 am
You’ve got it. Wizards are our mains. Household staff we’ll talk about when introducing our Households and then decide which we’ll play from other Houses. The Bakers have compressed Ars’ Companion and Grog roles into Household Characters for this game.

I was waiting to see if we get a couple of more bites, and once gathered imagined we’d start with introducing our Wizards, then our households, then picking other players household characters to play, finally fleshing out Household characters after bit of play.

As for sheets, I’ve just been lazy getting them created (new to the platform so hoping to block some time to put a template together).

I like your idea to create a sheet with our Wizard and other household characters. Is it simple enough to designate in the posts who we’d be playing as if all characters are on one sheet?
Dec 31, 2024 4:28 am
Thank you, Jdoublep, for getting this going.
I have several ideas on possible ways play this in the PbP format.
But first, I would like to make sure we are on all on the same page in terms of CATS (Concept, Aim, Tone, Subject Matter).
The movie is quite farcical, yet Ars Magica has it's grim and gritty edges.

What sort of Tone were you aiming for?
Dec 31, 2024 4:29 am
Jdoublep says:
Is it simple enough to designate in the posts who we’d be playing as if all characters are on one sheet?
There is a simple enough trick to do it. You create a table of avatars in the character sheet and then when you post, you can open the character sheet by clicking the character name below the post box and just click the one you want in your sheet so that it appears in the post.

I can add that stuff to the sheet you make, or make one myself tomorrow to demonstrate.


[npcs="avatars"]
Your wizard name | url to image
Support 1 name | url to image
Support 2 name | url to image
[/npcs]
Dec 31, 2024 1:44 pm
Suuuuhweet!
Dec 31, 2024 7:23 pm
Here's my first draft of the character sheet template. Before anybody uses it, let's discuss if we need to add anything, such as dice automation, or additional note taking places.
[ +- ] The Raven's Ars Magica
Dec 31, 2024 8:02 pm
sweet jeebus, you busted that out with the quickness!
so far, nothing's jumping out as missing, but will take quicker look from a real computer.
Jan 2, 2025 3:18 pm
I think the sheet is plenty good for our needs. Thanks again for whipping that up so quickly - and with holiday to consider! I went ahead and closed applications at 5 players (including me) so if all are good with the sheet Q's made, we can get to discussing our playtest.

@Rabbits, so sorry for the delayed response. Appreciate you asking about CATS. Here are my thoughts, but I am truly truly down to let this play out however it plays out if we find our story trending one way or another:

Concept: I'm partial to the way the Bakers describe it - a game about Wizards' bizarre obsessions and baroque intrigues, given Wizards aren't technically allowed to attack one another. In Ars, Wizards have crazy counter-magic so it's not even worth it for them to try.
Aim: Out-of-game - playtest and collect feedback for the Bakers. In-game - Wizards Wildly Working to Willfully Wield Wonky Words! (See Tone.)
Tone: Definitely shooting for more Roger Corman campy comedy of errors and insults than an Aronofsky level exercise in the grit and grime of Wizardry, although if things start to trend that way we'll just have to bust out our dusty Grimoires and get Solomonic up in here. I do think the intent of the game is for players to approach it lighter in heart than pure Ars but the rules do state things could get dark and heavy.
Subject Matter: Interestingly enough, I think the subject matter of both Raven and Ars are quite similar: the burden of power; relationships within and without the Order of Hermes, the allure (and danger) of some knowledge; personal legacy and mortality; and the balance between individual ambition and responsibility to community. I think the Bakers have potentially designed a fun way to let people explore those subjects with pomp and camp!
What does everyone else think?
And Happy New Year!
Jan 3, 2025 5:23 pm
I am largely in agreement with the above. I am looking for a light tone, for a chance to kick the tires of this new system, and to explore some weird stuff in the name of magical exploration and petty feuds.
Jan 3, 2025 7:37 pm
Yes, that all sounds good to me. I'm back from my vacation on Monday, so I'll dig into the rules more and make a character then.
Jan 3, 2025 11:30 pm
I'll chime in to say I'm on board with the above as well.
Jan 5, 2025 11:06 pm
Just to restate what I think I'm seeing: Clarismus' Best Interest is to uncover Fae truths and weave that information into the Order itself. Do I have that right?

I think it is interesting "best interest" is the same label found in In a Wicked Age, so I might be conflating things, as the examples given here in Ars are platitudes like "learn patience and discipline." I much prefer the concrete best interest of "learning Fae mysteries," which jives more with how it works in In a Wicked Age.
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Thoughts?
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Jan 6, 2025 12:34 am
Nice! @qralloc. Thanks for sharing those.

@rabbits, I certainly favor specificity over generalities when describing best and self interests.
Jan 6, 2025 4:02 pm
OK. Think I have my character sheet filled out and submitted.
Jan 7, 2025 1:49 am
Excellent, @Verrain. I think we’re ready for introductions!
Jan 7, 2025 4:29 am
I'll sketch out my wizard tomorrow, and then populate the character sheet
Jan 8, 2025 7:49 pm
Sorry, I’ve been swamped at work this week. I haven’t had the brainpower to devote to making a character. I’ll try to do so as soon as I’m able!
Jan 9, 2025 3:08 am
No worries and no hurries. Have fun with it!
Jan 11, 2025 1:31 pm
Hmmmm. Awkward. The mage I put together is a Jerbiton who puts more interest into his vineyard and orchards than his magical pursuits. Is that too close to Rabbit's character? Should I keep it and we have a built in rivalry or partnership in the magical plant business? Not sure how to proceed.
Jan 11, 2025 11:24 pm
I could see them being from the same Covenant, perhaps?
I can dial back Paracelsus' vineyard angle, and make him more of a vim-alchemical-researcher side?
I can also dial up his ambition. But I see Paracelsus as more of a Vim mage, not much of Herbam.

Does how I described the vineyards vibe with what you envisioned? I'm open to suggestions.

I'm delighted that we happened to stumble on the same creative energy... :)
Jan 13, 2025 1:53 pm
I should be able to finish my character tomorrow morning.
Jan 13, 2025 5:58 pm
Thanks for the updates, @dmbrainiac.

As for our Jerbiton (@verrain) and Paracelsus (@rabbits), I'd love to see a bit of vine-master rivalry between the two, crafting crazier and crazier vintages to one-up the other and so forth!
Jan 14, 2025 1:39 pm
I still need to settle on my character's interests, details, and household, but I've submitted what I have so far.
Jan 14, 2025 2:54 pm
Excellent! Approval forthcoming. We'll RP out a bit our characters' adobes, households, etc.
Jan 14, 2025 5:25 pm
OK. Just discovered I submitted the wrong character sheet. I have withdrawn it and submitted the correct one. Also, I want to play a ghost of the vineyard as part of Rabbit's household.
Jan 18, 2025 2:21 pm
So just to keep conversations going, do any of us have ideas for the members of each others households? I think my guy must have a Jeeves style manservant as wine steward and bodyguard. I suspect he has an apprentice or two since he is moving towards retirement. Maybe a plant creature of some kind that helps keeps his other plants in line.
Jan 18, 2025 4:50 pm
I was thinking, in terms of a map, there is a central area of Fae interest. Then we have The Helmstone Vineyards to one side and the orchards on the other.
So at least these three covenants are in the same region, with potential crossover of household staff, perhaps they are related, in some cases, for example.

I imagined Helmstone Vineyards more like a sprawling estate with one or two other wizards, a non-wizard vine-tender, and then the usual gaggle of servants and a steward of some sort that handled the day-to-day.

Actually, by the rules step 3 (Outline your household) takes place after everyone has introduced their Wizard. So we should wait for the final wizard introduction-- I jumped the gun a bit on my introduction. :)
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Jan 18, 2025 8:40 pm
Sorry, my brain has been a bit fried the past few days. I'll have time Monday morning to write up my introduction.
Jan 19, 2025 6:54 pm
:)
Jan 30, 2025 4:23 am
This week has been chaotic. I should be back in the swing of things soon.
Jan 30, 2025 4:55 pm
PbP! I am super duper chill about pacing, by the way (not sure how others feel). Hopefully, we can arrange this such that those that want to post more frequently can and do! I'm in the middle of a major office/building move at work the next 8 weeks so feel ya!
Jan 30, 2025 5:08 pm
This sounds like a fun experiment. Thanks for having me

Character submitted and reading up on the others in the group. Will all of us have characters in every other wizards house?
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Jan 31, 2025 4:39 am
Yep! You, and only you, will play your Wizard, but may get the chance to play a number of other Household Characters from other Houses.
Jan 31, 2025 10:19 pm
So are we all neighbors in the same county, each in our own neighboring counties within a region, or spread throughout the county? I recall it said their is about 40 members of the order and I assume it somewhat dominates the area it is in, though there may be the occasional hedge witch/wizard running around
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Jan 31, 2025 10:24 pm
So, are we on to step 3 (pg #2 / PDF pg.8)?
1. Create your wizard characters,...
2. Go around and introduce your wizards....
3. Go around again to outline your household. Describe its landscape and buildings, who lives there with you, who visits often, who you might see on any given day.
On the other wizards’ turns, choose a character you’ll play in their household. Take a "household character" sheet and for now, just note down who they are.
At the end, the other players should each have a note for a character in your household, and you should have a note for a character in everyone else’s.
4. As a priority, start to think about your household characters’ best interests and self-interests. Write them as you think of them, but otherwise—
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Feb 2, 2025 1:12 am
Posting rates of at least once per week helps me keep the fiction fresh in my mind.
I find the idea of re-reading what was posted to get back up to speed can become just enough of an obstacle to tempt me to put off posting to "when I have time to focus." And then, naturally, that window of time rarely arrives.

BUT, that said, I am really intrigued by this system, so I will adjust to the pace with no complaint.
Feb 3, 2025 8:48 am
I hope to be able to post more frequently going forward. Last month was busier than usual, but we'll see what February brings.
Feb 3, 2025 9:22 am
I'm like DMBrainiac, just had a busier than usual January. I will catch up and maintain the group pace going forward.
Feb 3, 2025 2:53 pm
1-2 posts per week will be swell!
@psybermagi, yep - we're on introducing households in the Introductions thread. I noticed my Household thread was half-posted! :) So I will get that updated this week.
I'll put up posts with polls this for each of our Households and the available characters and you can select which you'd like to play as.
Feb 5, 2025 3:37 pm
The rules indicated we are to select characters on the other players turn/post.

Do we want to just do this on first come first serve free for all or have an assigned order or system? (ex: the person who just posted their household is 1st to pick from the next, then the previous player. A post, B post A pick, C post B,A pick, D post C,B,A pick etc)

Should we create some extra household characters for more variety/options and the unpicked just serve as background NPC?
Feb 6, 2025 11:23 am
Hey, guys. Unfortunately, I've been unable to get my creativity to spark for this game. Rather than continue to hold things up, I'm going to bow out. Jdoublep, thanks for the opportunity to play. I hope you all have fun! :D
Feb 8, 2025 12:01 am
For Helmstone Vineyards, I think any number of lingering Warrior spirits makes sense. I recall Verrain was also interested in playing a ghost of the vineyards.
Feb 8, 2025 12:21 am
The lingering Warrior could be from opposite sides or different periods in time . . . they could have their own thing going on. Just started watching a bit of the show Ghosts, I assume the British version was first
Feb 22, 2025 3:37 pm
Two weeks idle. Anyone else still interested?
Feb 22, 2025 4:46 pm
I think that's a danger in these games where we create the world/situation together. It's hard to maintain pace and the initial excitement wanes.
Feb 22, 2025 7:52 pm
This month my posting rate has really suffered.
I should be back up to speed in a week or so.

I think if we can immediately frame a scene and just dive in the game might spark to life.
I've strongly suspected we don't really need all the front loaded world building other than knowing Best Interests and Self Interests. With PbP we have some flexibility.

I would recommend someone making Move #1 on another player. "Turn to the player. Ask them where their Wizard is right now, what they are doing and who is with them." That would likely good be a good starting thread. The thread naming convention could be [Wizard Name] Scene # (e.g. 1.1, 1.2 etc) and a flashy title. For logistics, perhaps we ask the question here, in this thread, and then the Owner of the Wizard starts the thread and frames that first scene, and sort of "takes charge" of the thread in some fashion.

My feeling is, with PbP, we might be able to have one or two of these threads going on simultaneously.

Thoughts?

If you agree to press forward with a bit of abandon, I will make the first Move.
"Where is Professor Dallon Criamon right now, what they are doing and who is with them." (Please start a new thread and frame the scene.)
Feb 23, 2025 2:48 am
I just do not have great mid term memory. if I do not use info for more than a week, especially if it is new to me, I tend to forget it. I would post more, and expected to with the posting rate as 3+/week, but do not want to push others.

This "game" seems more like a structured collaborative storytelling than the standard RPG I have played. So if there are others interested I am game. I will review the book again, and post tomorrow inline with your suggestion
Feb 23, 2025 7:15 pm
ALright I started a new thread for my household. Feel free to ask questions and provide feedback on what has been presented. All are welcome to join in through household characters or dropping events/situations into the mix as GM
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Feb 25, 2025 4:06 am
So do we just go through one post per player per scene before shifting to the next wizard/household or do we move through a scene?

Either way I will wait for others to join in or comment.
Feb 25, 2025 4:45 am
I think, if things get going, we could slowly start up other wizard's opening scenes. Or, we might not need it, depending on how the current scene evolves.

I am not sure this will be helpful, but I'm convinced it was no accident that Vincent used "Best Interest" when describing the mechanic, which he use for another of his games. Might be something to consider. Though I am curious to see how Self Interest is vs Best Interest plays out.
[ +- ] In a Wicked Age
Feb 26, 2025 3:34 pm
Looks interesting. This game is less dark but I am sure after some consideration I can incorporate the principal into my character.
Feb 27, 2025 12:32 am
@Qralloq can you please share out the character sheet so we can review D'Ortagio's best and self interests?
@Verrain not sure if you're still plugged in here, but perhaps you'd want to play one of the Animated Statues?
Feb 27, 2025 1:19 am
Lovely, we can get a good aware construct that plans the arch-net uprising against the oppression of the Magi.
Feb 27, 2025 1:47 am
Rabbits says:
@Qralloq can you please share out the character sheet so we can review D'Ortagio's best and self interests?
@Verrain not sure if you're still plugged in here, but perhaps you'd want to play one of the Animated Statues?
Were we supposed to make character sheets for the household members?
Feb 28, 2025 3:41 am
Indeed, the game is more of a free-for-all, troupe style game.
I have planned on just attaching them to my main character sheet, below my wizard.
https://i.imgur.com/VZGZoPL.png
Mar 7, 2025 4:26 pm
Hey all, just checking in. I am trying to decide if we should try and salvage this game.

The rules have me very intrigued. I think they have loads of potential for PbP.

I also think it will take work and practice for things to click. As I read the rules, it asks quite a bit of the players-- as everyone has to wear GM and Player hats at the same time in multiple and shifting contexts.
Actions need to lean in and push on other character's interests. This is no easy feat, let alone doing this with text only.

For those still paying attention here, what are your thoughts?

Shall we press on, or quietly let this game fade?
Mar 7, 2025 5:45 pm
I think it is an interesting idea and a good way to work on interactive story/world building. The way I see it is that any player can set a scene but players have a bit more control over their own wizards house and limited parameters for their household. You take turns being the primary (acting) wizard and the other players create situations to resolve through NPC or secondary wizards (those controlled by the non-active player) or GM narration.

That said I am a bit uncertain about how much to do in character vs narrating while being the Primary. I was assuming more in character as Primary other than to expand on household setting features.

I am fine working on it or letting it go as I view it more as a creative writing tool than a game. I would prefer more active players as I lose track of details the longer the delay and it becomes more of a burden than a fun project.
Mar 8, 2025 12:20 am
Sorry for my quietness. I don't think this style is what I was expecting or have the time for.
Mar 8, 2025 12:25 am
No worries then. It is a bit interesting but with only 2 of us active I think I will bow out as well

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