Feb 11, 2020 3:51 am
BedzoneII says:
@dejoker is spot on about their impeccable xenophobia and their politeness. They'll always be polite even as they try to kill you.:)[OOC] General Discussion
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They do give Hotaru quite the culture clash, but I had fun writing him sorting out his thoughts out loud while restrained and on Psyche :P At least one of them seem to give him some leeway :P
Feb 11, 2020 2:30 pm
Downloading a Japanese etiquette skillsoft might help with future Con or Influence rolls, just saying. :) Here's a little excerpt from one of the sourcebooks.
[ +- ] A Gaijin's Guide
In a city of 45 million people (official people, that is - I hear it's more than 50 million if you count the SINless), etiquette isn't just a good idea for the SINners, it's a necessity. If you don't have the time to get a course in Japanese etiquette or upload a skillsoft proggie, you'll insult the wrong people very, very fast.
Giri and Face
The values of giri, face and honor are pervasive throughout Japanese society, and you'lll experience them at every social level. Giri is the self-sacrificing devotion to duty and obligation that fuels neo-Tokyo. When a wageslave refuses to drink anything but his megacorp's beer, or your server at the local cyberclinic practically falls over themselves being formally polite to you until you feel like they're being a wiseass, or the bag runner for the local gumi pulls one more job after being on his feet for eighteen hours straight, that's giri. It's giving a hundred percent, all the time.
Face is both social perception of a person's prestige and public confidence in a person's character - sorts like street cred, but more formal and pervasive. What this basically means is that if you bring up something embarrassing about someone someone in front of them, you're challenging their authority; gossiping about them behind their back can affect their social standing with their peers. Face is taken very seriously so be very careful if you're starting a smear campaign against someone, or if it looks like someone is doing the same to you.
Giri and Face
The values of giri, face and honor are pervasive throughout Japanese society, and you'lll experience them at every social level. Giri is the self-sacrificing devotion to duty and obligation that fuels neo-Tokyo. When a wageslave refuses to drink anything but his megacorp's beer, or your server at the local cyberclinic practically falls over themselves being formally polite to you until you feel like they're being a wiseass, or the bag runner for the local gumi pulls one more job after being on his feet for eighteen hours straight, that's giri. It's giving a hundred percent, all the time.
Face is both social perception of a person's prestige and public confidence in a person's character - sorts like street cred, but more formal and pervasive. What this basically means is that if you bring up something embarrassing about someone someone in front of them, you're challenging their authority; gossiping about them behind their back can affect their social standing with their peers. Face is taken very seriously so be very careful if you're starting a smear campaign against someone, or if it looks like someone is doing the same to you.
Feb 12, 2020 3:04 pm
Gonna be running a little slow for the next two or three days, the virus situation over here has made everyone run lots more overtime. But not to worry I'm perfectly safe!
Feb 12, 2020 4:42 pm
ok just finished my gear when you can check it over need help figuring how much karma I have and what to spend it on
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Feb 13, 2020 10:30 am
You get 50 Karma to start with, and up to 20 extra depending on which positive and negative qualities you pick.
You currently have 2 too many qualities, start with 6 qualities total. From there we can figure out you net gain/loss of Karma.
The gear looks alright, probably too many guns haha, but maybe he's a collector.
I need you to do the Essence maths for your bioware. You start with an Essence of 6. If you're trying to implant more bioware you might want to use alphaware or betaware that isn't so impactful on your Essence.
You currently have 2 too many qualities, start with 6 qualities total. From there we can figure out you net gain/loss of Karma.
The gear looks alright, probably too many guns haha, but maybe he's a collector.
I need you to do the Essence maths for your bioware. You start with an Essence of 6. If you're trying to implant more bioware you might want to use alphaware or betaware that isn't so impactful on your Essence.
Feb 14, 2020 6:43 pm
ok, I'm at 4.79 after taking out the essence cost of my Bioware. I spent some of my karma on my skills I think I have 12 karma left and will use that to get the analytical mind quality later down the road since I dropped that to have six qualities. hope that ok. i'm also going to spend 4 karma to get the Yamaha growler if i can. bu will wait for final verdict.
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Feb 15, 2020 1:52 am
Looks good @jackwolfking, you're almost done then. 6 Karma left on my count, to carry over. Give me a backstory, and that'll be my starting plot for you.
@legionchimera7 just saw your sheet, I'll get started on it. Can I have your Priorities selection?
@legionchimera7 just saw your sheet, I'll get started on it. Can I have your Priorities selection?
Feb 16, 2020 9:32 am
New threads for Clint - Better Than Life, and Hotaru - On a Loose Leash, are up and running!
Feb 17, 2020 4:41 am
Resources, attributes, skills(those two may have been flip-flopped), metatype human, magic
Feb 17, 2020 10:47 am
@LegionChimera7
1. You have 13 points in your Attributes, gotta bring it down to 12.
2. Same with Skills, from 27 to 24. (Specialisations count as 1 skill point).
3. Since you selected the metatype Human, you get 4 points, but it looks like you can only put them in Edge.
4. You get 50 Karma points to spend to improve Attributes and Stats. You've taken one positive Quality which costs 3 Karma, so you have 47 left. (I tried to do the maths to see if you'd spent the Karma to boost the Attributes and Skills above, which would explain the points, but the numbers don't match. Maybe you can indicate the maths on your character sheet for me so I can help tally it all up).
5. List the Basic and Hacking programmes you're buying as well.
6. Note your Essence. You start with 6 Essence.
1. You have 13 points in your Attributes, gotta bring it down to 12.
2. Same with Skills, from 27 to 24. (Specialisations count as 1 skill point).
3. Since you selected the metatype Human, you get 4 points, but it looks like you can only put them in Edge.
4. You get 50 Karma points to spend to improve Attributes and Stats. You've taken one positive Quality which costs 3 Karma, so you have 47 left. (I tried to do the maths to see if you'd spent the Karma to boost the Attributes and Skills above, which would explain the points, but the numbers don't match. Maybe you can indicate the maths on your character sheet for me so I can help tally it all up).
5. List the Basic and Hacking programmes you're buying as well.
6. Note your Essence. You start with 6 Essence.
Mar 2, 2020 7:20 am
Resently I heard the Shadowrun Audiobook: Fire and frost, where they have mage, a decker, a rigger, an adept and the mandatory troll streetsamurai. I recomend it
But my point is, in this book, the group is in almost constant contact with each other's comlink. They have a voice/text chat room where they share data, notes, thoughts ect. Its how they keep track of their decker when he goes into a deep matrix dive. And that is why I assumed that Missy's list was shared with Helios
But my point is, in this book, the group is in almost constant contact with each other's comlink. They have a voice/text chat room where they share data, notes, thoughts ect. Its how they keep track of their decker when he goes into a deep matrix dive. And that is why I assumed that Missy's list was shared with Helios
Mar 2, 2020 2:02 pm
Yes, that's how team commlinks should work together. So RP-wise just talk through your commlink for the others to hear, or simply declare what information you're passing along. If there are language differences I expect linguasofts to be installed to auto translate the information.
Mar 2, 2020 4:36 pm
Yeah as soon as I get the coin Linguasoft it one of the things high on my list of to gets but they are ridiculously expensive for something that seems to be extremely common -- but it is what it is I suppose ;)
Mar 2, 2020 4:43 pm
I'm pretty sure all commlink come from the factory with translating program and the linguasoft are for putting them directly in you head
Mar 2, 2020 5:25 pm
If you can find that in the GAW (Guidelines As Written) I am sure I would be ecstatic but I think both I and BedzoneII read the Guidelines as stating you have to add them to a Commlink. Mainly because not all commlinks are made the same the lowest end Commlink does not even come with a Firewall (as some of higher end models do not as well) nor a slot to put an Active Program such as Linguasoft
DR = Device Rating
D/F = Data Processing / Firewall
APS = Active Program Slot (number of programs you can have running simultaneously)
Sony Emperor : ..... DR: 2 ... D/F: 1/1 ... APS: 1
Renraku Sensei : ... DR: 3 ... D/F: 2/0 ... APS: 1
Erika Elite : .......... DR: 4 .... D/F: 2/1 ... APS: 2
Hermes Ikon : ...... DR: 5 .... D/F: 3/0 ... APS: 2
Transys Avalon : ... DR: 6 .... D/F: 3/1 ... APS: 3As denoted within Commlinks there is no mention of Linguasoft being standard issue aspect of CommLinks further since Linguasofts are external programs you have to download that means you have to have an APS rating of at least 1 to run them thus excluding them from actually being standard inclusions into CommLinks as not all CommLinks come with an APS rating greater than zero. I think these to things are the reason I and BedzoneII believe that Linguasofts are considered to be one of these other add-on features
Although now that you bring it up I do believe their could be 2 different versions for Linguasoft the standard version as follows:This version is obviously only available to individuals with a Skilljack and since the program interfaces directly with the brain in some way perhaps this is why it costs 1500 nuyen per Language Rating per Language. The problem is there is no other version of Linguasoft or Language Translation Software denoted anywhere else within the Guidelines which I believe is why some fall back on this version for all such Translation Software because otherwise we would have to implement a none Skilljack version that just translates the language audioly. Perhaps a non-Skilljack version could cost less but then we are creating House-Rules and I know BedzoneII would rather not do that.
Still I could see a non-Skilljack version costing considerably less say 500 nuyen per Language Level per Language or even less or have some scaling factor such as LR 1 = 100n / LR 2 = +200n / LR 3 = +400n / LR 4 = +800n thus getting a Rating 4 non-Skilljack Translator version for you Commlink which while sophisticated would not be able to be augmented my you mind thus having a smaller dice pool to use when making the actual translation and thus making the Skilljack version much more reliable and than the old school version. Or maybe the old school version comes in 8 Levels instead of the Skilljack version to help compensate for this. So while a Rank 4 Skilljack costs 6000n -- the Rank 8 OldSchool costs 12,700n .... This seems to maintain the game balance and still allow for the more OldSchool version to be applicable and potentially as good as the Skilljack version if you are willing to shell out the necessary nuyen for the higher ratings. Further these are just ideas I am throwing out to bounce off BedzoneII should they choose to want to adopt something like this. I see this making it a lot easier for everyone (including non-Shadowrunners) to have some kind of Translation device in their Commlinks without needing a Skilljack and thus makes the more casual conversation much more viable while making the more Shadowrun implementations need those higher ratings to accomplish effectively
DR = Device Rating
D/F = Data Processing / Firewall
APS = Active Program Slot (number of programs you can have running simultaneously)
page_267 says:
Meta Link : ........... DR: 1 ... D/F: 1/0 ... APS: 0Sony Emperor : ..... DR: 2 ... D/F: 1/1 ... APS: 1
Renraku Sensei : ... DR: 3 ... D/F: 2/0 ... APS: 1
Erika Elite : .......... DR: 4 .... D/F: 2/1 ... APS: 2
Hermes Ikon : ...... DR: 5 .... D/F: 3/0 ... APS: 2
Transys Avalon : ... DR: 6 .... D/F: 3/1 ... APS: 3
[ +- ] Commlinks
Commlinks are universal communication devices used by virtually everyone all the time. They come in a variety of shapes and styles, with some included in augmentations and articles of clothing. Even the most basic of them include AR Matrix browsing capability, telephone, vidphone, text, music players, micro trid-projectors, touchscreen displays, high-resolution video and still-image cameras, image/text and RFID tag scanners, builtin GPS guidance systems, chip players, credstick readers, retractable earbuds, voice access, and textto-speech and speech-to-text technologies. They also offer plenty of other add-on features.
Although now that you bring it up I do believe their could be 2 different versions for Linguasoft the standard version as follows:
[ +- ] Linguasoft
Linguasoft replicates a language skill, allowing a user to speak a foreign language. Linguasoft must be accessed with a skilljack, and the number you can use at once is limited by the skilljack rating. Linguasoft ratings are equal to Language skill abilities as follows: 1 = basic language facility, 2 = language specialist, 3 = language expert, 4 = language expert. Linguasofts cannot go above rating 4.
Still I could see a non-Skilljack version costing considerably less say 500 nuyen per Language Level per Language or even less or have some scaling factor such as LR 1 = 100n / LR 2 = +200n / LR 3 = +400n / LR 4 = +800n thus getting a Rating 4 non-Skilljack Translator version for you Commlink which while sophisticated would not be able to be augmented my you mind thus having a smaller dice pool to use when making the actual translation and thus making the Skilljack version much more reliable and than the old school version. Or maybe the old school version comes in 8 Levels instead of the Skilljack version to help compensate for this. So while a Rank 4 Skilljack costs 6000n -- the Rank 8 OldSchool costs 12,700n .... This seems to maintain the game balance and still allow for the more OldSchool version to be applicable and potentially as good as the Skilljack version if you are willing to shell out the necessary nuyen for the higher ratings. Further these are just ideas I am throwing out to bounce off BedzoneII should they choose to want to adopt something like this. I see this making it a lot easier for everyone (including non-Shadowrunners) to have some kind of Translation device in their Commlinks without needing a Skilljack and thus makes the more casual conversation much more viable while making the more Shadowrun implementations need those higher ratings to accomplish effectively
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Mar 2, 2020 7:40 pm
I guess I pictured that if some basic translation are available in 2020 directly on the internet, it would still exist on the Shadowrun Matrix. Especially if you use the speech to text basic function, it should be a no-brainer to run the text through a Google translate equivalent and sent the response.
High end translation programs would be another matter of course, but the core book didn't explore that part of Shadowrun's experience.
High end translation programs would be another matter of course, but the core book didn't explore that part of Shadowrun's experience.
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