Pathfinder2e The Spurned hath no fury like alchemy

Feb 13, 2020 3:16 am
Hello,
I am thinking of offering a Pathfinder 2e run through one or more of my turned down RPG Superstar adventures.
Anybody interested in trying Pathfinder Second edition?

My adventure? "The Spurned hath no fury like alchemy."

Player characters are 5th level, have an array of 16,15,14,13,12,11 plus ancestry modifiers and players build characters up to their current level.

Taldor and Quadira have had their borders shift countless times.
For now, Taldor holds the northern most strip of desert with the cities of Salt-Shore, Salt Sands and Salt gate.
You are being sent to each of these cities to collect the taxes due to the treasury of Taldor in Oppara...

What could possibly go wrong?
Feb 13, 2020 1:30 pm
okay, players please provide the A, B, C, for your character(s).
Ancestry: ...Heritage: 1st level ancestry feat: 5th level ancestry feat: and boosted ability scores for 5th level.
Background: ...Bonus feat: ...bonus skills:
Class advanced to level 5. include features and feats purchased.
Cash each character has the appropriate treasure and items for their level.
Feb 13, 2020 9:41 pm
This is a basic outline, you can "select all", "copy"/"Paste" and "delete" kallus' , then "replace" with your info, and "advance" your character to 5th level. An example character: Kallus the Unforgiven
Ancestry: human, heritage: versatile, Male, 23, Lawful good, faith: Desna.
Versatile feat: Ride. Ancestry feat: general training -> Battle medic
Background: Herbalist. bonus skills; lore-herbs, nature.
bonus feat: natural medicine
Class: Fighter Level 1 xp 0
Class features: attack of opportunity, bonus feat: shield block.
Class feat: Reflexive shield

Strength: 16 (+3) Perception: EX+4, Lvl+1, Wis+2= 7
Dexterity: 15 (+2) Fortitude: EX+4, Lvl+1, Con+2= 7
Constitution: 14 (+2) Reflex: EX+4, Lvl+1, Dex+2= 7
Intelligence: 14 (+2) Will: Tn+2, Lvl+1, Wis+2= 5
Wisdom: 15 (+2)
Charisma: 11 (+0) Hit points: 20 AC: 18 (*20)

Skill name: Prof+Level +ability modifier ....Armor: Breastplate
Acrobatics ... TN+2, level +1, Dex+2= 5 .....Shield: Steel Shield with shield boss
Athletics ... TN+2, level +1, Str+ 3= 6 .....weapon: battle axe, or war hammer
Crafting ... TN+2, level +1, Int +2= 5 .....Ranged: shortbow
Lore-herbs .. Tn+2, level +1, Int +2= 5
Medicine ...*EX+4, Level +1, Wis +2= 7*
Nature ... Tn+2, Level +1, Int +2= 5
Stealth ... Tn+2, Level +1, Dex +2= 5
Survival ... Tn+2, Level +1, Wis +2= 5

Future advancement
2nd level, Alchemist dedication feat, gain: Craft Alchemy feat, and Lore-cooking.

This character is good at fighting, traveling through the wild, survival, navigation, hunting, foraging, but his true calling is to be a doctor. The future addition of alchemy, only serves to expand his role as a healer.
Weakness? talking. The 11 charisma and no training in the skills: deception, diplomacy, intimidation, society can make life quite difficult when dealing with much more savvy persons. Also, this character does well in the wild, but not so well in situations where being underhanded is more appropriate. I.E. the thievery skill. Locks, and traps can stymie his progress.
Feb 13, 2020 10:46 pm
I think I'm going to have my character be a dwarf barbarian animal rager.
Feb 14, 2020 1:30 am
I'm making a Human Barrister Champion. I'll work out the other details tonight.

Thanks for the template!
Feb 14, 2020 3:25 am
REALIST says:

Player characters are 5th level, have an array of 16,15,14,13,12,11 plus ancestry modifiers and players build characters up to their current level.
I haven't seen that point array before. We don't start each attribute at 10 and go from there?
Last edited February 14, 2020 3:36 am
Feb 14, 2020 6:55 am
Windyridge says:
REALIST says:

Player characters are 5th level, have an array of 16,15,14,13,12,11 plus ancestry modifiers and players build characters up to their current level.
I haven't seen that point array before. We don't start each attribute at 10 and go from there?
As the GM I am directing you to use this method. it gives you more to work with. It is a player focused spread. Your choices matter. While your character is prodigious in one area, you have other strengths to rely on. let's say I am making a human "monk". I can build my character like this;
Strength:___16* monk feat: monastic weapons. weapon: Bo staff. human feat: canny acumen, (expert perception)
Dexterity:___18* Heritage: versatile, feat- Incredible initiative (+2 initiative)
Constitution: 13 ____skills: acrobatics, athletics, stealth, thievery, just off the top of my head.
Intelligence:_12
Wisdom:____15
Charisma:___11
at 2nd level I might take the rogue dedication, and at 4th level take the 1st level rogue feat trap-spotter.
at 5th, as a human I can take the feat "natural ambition" and grab an extra class feat from either monk or rogue.
Strength:___18
Dexterity:___18
Constitution: 15
intelligence:_14
Wisdom:____17
Charisma:___11
I used the four free boosts to raise str, con, int, wis.

this character optimizes strength and dexterity, maxing out the characters focus.
this is completely different from the Kallus character who uses his boosts to shore up his weaknesses.

alternately, a human sorcerer (occult- hag bloodline)
str:__13
dex:_18*
Con:_11
int:__16*
Wis:__12
cha:__15
This character might focus on Movement (acrobatics, athletics, stealth) and Social (deception, diplomacy, intimidate, society)
I can drop a feat on armor proficiency, I can drop a feat on martial weapon training. I can carry a sling, a sack of sling bullets, and two bandoleers of throwing daggers.
Feb 14, 2020 7:10 am
Why do ability scores matter? Why not abandon them and use only the ability modifiers.
the answer is thus: ability modifiers are meaningless when the dice can make a super-genius (+5) stupider than a dog (-3).
the dog can roll 19, 20, 18... and the genius: 1,2,3...
The bell curve isn't just a grading method, it is a percentage that defines the number of your equals, the number of those who need your help, and those who are beyond your help (ie: won't help self or are superior to you).
it may suck, but in reality the genius will never be outwitted by the fool. The world's strongest man will not be out lifted by a wimp. In real life there are no participation trophies. Failure is a very real thing. Even heroes can fall.
I will be giving Hero points, and players will start with a hero point...
I can not change reality, I can not change fate.
I do not control the dice.
Feb 14, 2020 1:21 pm
Ah, from your monk example I see we still get the ability bumps at fifth level. I thought those would be included in the array from the wording of your first post. I'll adjust my character in progress.
Feb 14, 2020 2:32 pm
Qralloq says:
Ah, from your monk example I see we still get the ability bumps at fifth level. I thought those would be included in the array from the wording of your first post. I'll adjust my character in progress.
and I so misunderstood your initial question. Seriously, I do apologize for my error.
Yes, you do get your level 5 ability score advances; all four free boosts in accordance with the rules for the boosts.
Feb 14, 2020 3:41 pm
Alrighty! Onward and upward. Thanks for the detailed explanations.
Feb 15, 2020 4:31 pm
I submitted my character but it's still WIP. Since I've never advanced before would you mind checking the math before I go further. Thanks!
Feb 15, 2020 7:41 pm
I can not see the character sheet.
There is no such thing as Level dip multi-classing in 2e pathfinder. See the Core Rulebook, the Classes chapter, after Wizard, after animal companions, after familiars you will find the Archetype/dedication feats. The earliest you may "multi-class" is 2nd level by using your class feat slot to purchase the first Dedication feat. you may purchase another, only from that class at 4th. I do not recommend multi-classing a sorcerer save only to expand your low level spell slots.
For example:
Arcane sorcerer + Wizard archetype, more low level arcane spells
Divine sorcerer + Cleric archetype, more low level divine spells
Occult sorcerer + Bard archetype, more low level occult spells
primal sorcerer + Druid Archetype, more low level primal spells
Multi-classing with monk does not do what it once did.
I shared an example Human Occult sorcerer, use the versatile feat for armor proficiency, and the first level ancestry feat on martial weapon proficiency. the Idea for the example sorc is to become a Buffing character. The spell Magic weapon is quite awesome at first level. Not so much at 5th as you and your allies will likely posses magic weapons.
If you want to be a ranged nuke, or artillery, you need to review the action economy. Some spells take two actions to cast once. Sometimes it is better to be proficient with a bow that with a set of limited spell slots. The sorcerer feat Reach metamagic can turn a touch spell like shocking grasp into a one target 30ft attack.

if you want to be tougher, realize that you get 6 hit points for being an Elf, and 6 Hit points as a sorcerer, plus your constitution modifier. you can take the toughness general feat. instead of spending daily spell slots on "Mage armor" learn to wear light armor with a general feat. The cantrip shield keeps your hands free and gives you a +2 shield bonus to ac while it has a ten minute cooldown, cantrips have unlimited ammo. With elven dexterity, you can build towards a high AC and toughness without multi-classing.

Osirion is your homeland: check, authorized.
Feb 15, 2020 8:08 pm
If you click on the game you will see the character sheet under my name in the list of players there.
Feb 15, 2020 8:19 pm
I think @Realist is talking to me, I had a sort of scratch pad I was working on in google docs. I’m out for lunch right now but I did a quick cut and paste to a character sheet on the site. I’ll go through your post when I get back home to a larger screen.
Feb 15, 2020 9:02 pm
A sorcerer, nice. My champion-paladin is nearly ready, just have a few more feats to choose them I'll upload. Likely be tomorrow.
Feb 15, 2020 10:10 pm
As a primal I have access neither the shield spell nor mage armour... fudge... I might have to change from an elemental bloodline, I Just don’t want to be super squishy.

I shall remain elemental, I’m certain I’ve buggered some things up. This is the scratch pad version. All of the things in brackets indicate where it came from (L3) = level 3.
Last edited February 15, 2020 11:43 pm
Feb 15, 2020 11:48 pm
Look it over and let me know what you think and any edits you think I should make also where I messed up. I’m not terribly familiar with the system.

((Sor5))
Name: (Nameless) Marashepsut Numara
Ancestry: Elf, Heritage: Vourinoi, Female, 38, Chaotic Good, Faith: Desna.
Heritage Feat: Desert Elf. Ancestry feat: Elemental Wrath
Background: Fortune Teller - Occultism skill, Fortune Telling Lore skill,
bonus feat: Oddity Identification skill feat
Class: Sorceress
Bloodline: Elemental
Class features:

Strength: 11 +2(htg) +2(bg) / 15
Dexterity: 14 +2(htg) / 16 +2=18
Constitution: 15 -2(htg) / 13 +2=15
Intelligence: 12 +2(htg) / 14 +2=16
Wisdom: 12
Charisma: 16 +2(bg) / 18 +1=19

Hit points: 37AC:
Languages: Elvish, Common, (Osirian)(Djinn/Elemental?)
Armor:

Saves:
Fortitude (expert) (s)
Reflex (trained) (s)
Will (expert) (s)

Skill name: Prof+Level +ability modifier ....
Occultism skill (bg)
Fortune Telling Lore skill (trained) (bg)
Perception (trained) (sor)
Intimidation (trained) (bl)
Nature (trained) (bl) Natural Medicine (L2)
Simple Weapons (trained) (sor)
Unarmed Attacks (trained) (sor)
Unarmored Defense (trained) (sor)
Survival (trained) (sor+int)
Performance (trained) (sor+int)
Deception (trained) (sor+int) Lie to me (L4)
Medicine (expert L5) (sor+int)

Feats:
Desert Elf (Htg)
Elemental Wrath (Anc)
Oddity Identification (bg)
Reach Spell (sor)(L2)
Familiar (sor)(L4)
Elven Instincts (Anc)(L5)

Spells:
cantrip (5/5): produce flame*; detect magic; electric arc; prestidigitation; stabilize
1st (4/4): burning hands*; create water; heal; pest form
2nd (4/4): resist energy*; acid arrow*; create food;
3rd (3/3): fireball*; stinking cloud; wall of wind
*spells need to be modified to make them more "air/electricity" based.

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Last edited February 16, 2020 2:00 am
Feb 16, 2020 12:16 am
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