Star Wars: Triumph and Despair

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, so forgive me if it has:

When using the Star Wars dice roller, the site doesn't tally results properly if a Triumph or Despair result comes up. In Star Wars (and Genesys), a Triumph equals both a Triumph result and a Success result. Conversely, a Despair equals both a Despair result and a Failure result. However, the site fails to account for the Success and Failure aspects of those respective symbols coming up.

Is this something that could be fixed? I'm no programmer, but it seems like it might be a very easy fix.

Thanks for your attention!

This has come up a few times, but for a bunch of reasons I can't remember, I ultimately decided that it would show the count of faces, not the tallied outcome. I'm happy to bring this conversation back up though: should I do the sum, or the face count?

From a practical angle, I have to constantly remind my players to do the mental addition of +1 Success or +1 Failure to tallies that turn up Triumph or Despair. I've also often heard other Star Wars/Genesys GMs talk about this as if it's a bug in the site's dice roller. So, from my admittedly limited experience, it seems that most Star Wars/Genesys GMs would prefer the sum be prioritized.

Then there's the argument that the faces and the sum aren't actually at odds, since the rules spell out that Triumph is also a Success, and Despair is also a Failure. The graphic design is even such that the Triumph and Despair symbols are modified versions of Success and Failure, respectively. So it's both. :)

My 2 cents. Hopefully other Genesys/Star Wars players and GMs can weigh in.

Not sure how this is designed within the internals but I thought the image was simply associated with the results and if that is the case then its just a image that means nothing to the internals (which is how it ought to be I would think) then its just a matter of adjusting the internal values to accommodate these values so that the final counts are correct.

@Keleth what language are you programming all this in?

@emsquared, @SavageBob, @mcneils5, @szemely - you're the leading active Star Wars FFG GMs on GP (according to the db).

What's the correct answer for this issue? What should it be doing?

Star Wars FFG is a very active game on GP, and I can't help but feel it's been a little neglected.

Thanks for bringing this back up, Adam! My feeling is that the Triumph result should be tallied as 1 Triumph and 1 Success, and the Despair result should be tallied as 1 Despair and 1 Failure. The rules of SW FFG/Genesys are quite clear that the Triumph symbol ALSO counts as a Success, and the Despair result ALSO counts as a Failure, so the software should account for that in my opinion. (As it is, GMs and players always have to do mental math when these results come up, which is less than ideal.)

Also note that the Success part of a Triumph and the Failure part of a Despair do get canceled by other rolled Failures and Successes, respectively. However, the Triumph and the Despair parts never get canceled. Let me know if this needs better explanation.

Couldn’t have said it better.

Cool. I'll just wait for one more to get a consensus of three.

In the meantime, are there any sheet-integrated dice rollers you'd like me to add? They'd need explaining because those character sheets and weird dice are a mystery to me (they look cool though).

Cool, hopefully emsquared or mcneils5 will weigh in.

As for integrated character sheet rollers, there's actually not much rolling in character generation. I think the only thing you roll for is pocket money, and that's a simple d100. I can't think of anything that might be worth adding, but thanks for asking!

Not a GM, but SavageBob has explained it spot on.
IF there was a Star Wars wishlist, it would be nice to have the font's/symbols available. Also can the web link for the publisher go to Edge Studios instead of Fantasy Flight?
Dice rolls linked to the character sheets would be great, BUT since most rolls have 2 parts, (the 'good dice' based on the characters skill level, and the 'bad dice' based on the difficulty of what they want to do) we would still have to be able to add the 'bad dice' to the roll. I think this is how roll20 works.

Hey, yea, Bob and szemely and birdman have it right.

When a Triumph is rolled it should "tally" a success (cancelable by a failure, as per "normal" successes on other die "sides"/roll results), in addition to the Triumph (un-cancelable).

And the Despair tallies a failure (cancelable by success, again as per "normal"), and a Despair (un-cancelable).

Thanks for picking this up, Adam!

These are the rollers used in-game. They reduce typing and make it easier for new players.

e.g. In 5e - if I click my character name, I see their abilities, skills, weapons etc. If I click athletics, then it fills in the dice roll.

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Maybe, something similar can be done here:


Click on a skill and it does something with dice, but you then have to add bad dice yourself? Dunno. I'd need guidance.

Fonts and symbols?

How do those look? I've put the triumphs and despairs in parentheses and totalled them in.

you've put the successes from the triumphs in parentheses. That may make it a bit more confusing. I think it's better just to have the totals

yeah, instead of telling a player that they need to roll one challenge dice, two diffuclulty dice and 1 setback dice (aka 1 red, 2 purple, 1 black; or RPPB) it would be cool to post the color/symbol for those dice. Same goes the Triumph, success, etc. It would be nice to post the symbols used. Hope that makes sense.

Isn't it nice to show where the numbers come from? Especially if we're changing the calculation under people?

How about this?

It makes sense? How would it work though? Some sort of FFG BBCode thing?

Roll [FFG:RPPB]

1) I guess I compare it to an itemized receipt at a hotel (tax, resort fee, pool fee, turndown fee etc.) I would prefer ya just tell me the total. But I'll let the Star Wars GM's weight in on that one

2) Is there no symbol for a Despair? It's just invisible? That is . . confusing.

Yeah. It looks like a spelling mistake has stopped that working for the last six years!

Skulls for despair?