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Apr 30, 2016 3:45 pm
Ok, I've got work out of the way for now. So on to character creation!

Is Lightbringer Monk going to be compatible with the Zen Archer archetype? Prayerful Meditation replaces Still Mind...but I already traded Still Mind away to gain the Zen Archer's Point Blank Master feature.

By the same token, does that mean neither the Zen Archer nor the Lightbringer Monk can take monk vows (because taking vows means you never gain the Still Mind feature)? I am disappoint! :-(

If you're a Zen Archer Monk, is a bow considered a monk weapon? More to the point, will Holy Strike work for bow my attacks?
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Apr 30, 2016 6:07 pm
Jabes.plays.RPG says:
Ok, I've got work out of the way for now. So on to character creation!

Is Lightbringer Monk going to be compatible with the Zen Archer archetype? Prayerful Meditation replaces Still Mind...but I already traded Still Mind away to gain the Zen Archer's Point Blank Master feature.

By the same token, does that mean neither the Zen Archer nor the Lightbringer Monk can take monk vows (because taking vows means you never gain the Still Mind feature)? I am disappoint! :-(

If you're a Zen Archer Monk, is a bow considered a monk weapon? More to the point, will Holy Strike work for bow my attacks?
Well, I guess a bow could be considered a monk weapon for you, but the problem is that Holy Strike specifically states monk melee weapons, so no, it would not apply to the bow, unless you manage to find some enchantment or weapon modification which allows you to use your bow in melee.

I have no idea what vows are, so someone else will have to answer this question, although, unlike an archetype, lightbringer does not forces you to take all the alternate class features, so a lightbringer monk could still take vows if he opt to not take the prayerful meditation alternate class feature.
Apr 30, 2016 6:10 pm
For example, I remember D&D 3.5 had an enchantment which allowed a bow to change into a staff. Not sure if that was converted to Pathfinder.
Apr 30, 2016 6:14 pm
Ghah! I am looking up vows. They look to be more annoying than anything. And they replace Still Mind in addition of what they do? Honestly, I don't feel they are worth it, but that's just my opinion...
Apr 30, 2016 6:24 pm
You might be referring to the Bowstaff spell. The Empty Quiver feat track would also allow me to use my bow for melee attacks. But I'd be better off just using my fists, right? :-)

The various monk vows grant extra ki as long as the monk follows a very strict code of conduct. Multiple vows can be taken. It's great for pumping your ki, and offers some great role-playing challenges. It says though that if you take a vow you lose the Still Mind feature. So unless you choose to ignore that via DM fiat that, I guess no vows for me.

Similarly, I need the Still Mind slot to take the Zen Archer's Point Blank Master feature so unfortunately I can't take Prayerful Meditation.
Apr 30, 2016 8:53 pm
Vows changed a LOT between 3rd edition and Pathfinder. I still remember the Vow of Poverty monk that had a higher armor class than the paladin in full plate that a friend of mine played. In PF, they add more RP flavor, but you don't get as much for them.
Apr 30, 2016 9:03 pm
irvanovich says:
Vows changed a LOT between 3rd edition and Pathfinder. I still remember the Vow of Poverty monk that had a higher armor class than the paladin in full plate that a friend of mine played. In PF, they add more RP flavor, but you don't get as much for them.
Yeah, those were from Book of Exalted Deeds. That book and Book of Vile Darkness were broken as fuck, so of course, I always had players wanting to take options from those books...
Apr 30, 2016 9:11 pm
Yeah, PF hit them with a nerfhammer from Hell when they come up with them. Extra ki, extra flavor, not much else
Apr 30, 2016 9:33 pm
Jabes.plays.RPG says:
You might be referring to the Bowstaff spell. The Empty Quiver feat track would also allow me to use my bow for melee attacks. But I'd be better off just using my fists, right? :-)
Well, you can always fall back to your fist if you're ever pressed in melee or grapple... But actually I was talking about a bowstaff (I think that was the name) which was either a magic weapon or an enchantment you could buy and put on your weapon.

Yeah, it was a magic item, I found a discussion about it here. And reading further, there is an elvencraft bow mentioned which could also be a nice option.
Apr 30, 2016 10:19 pm
kalajel says:
Can scrolls still have more than one spell written on them or has that changed in Pathfinder?
Okay, nevermind guys, I looked it up and yes, scrolls can have more than one spell scribed on them.
Apr 30, 2016 10:40 pm
kalajel says:
kalajel says:
Can scrolls still have more than one spell written on them or has that changed in Pathfinder?
Okay, nevermind guys, I looked it up and yes, scrolls can have more than one spell scribed on them.
Crap, I'm sorry mate. I meant to double check that for you last night and for caught up working on the cameras for the stand...
Apr 30, 2016 10:41 pm
It's okay, no problems. I need to look stuff up as well if I'm to DM. :P
Apr 30, 2016 11:01 pm
Yeah, but it makes life so much easier if experienced players tell you where to look :p
May 2, 2016 1:15 am
Oh, since a lot of you decided to be lightbringers, I should probably bring up the fact that you have a 10% subsidy on basic supplies, so that could be a way for you to make back a bit of that 100 gp you had to spend. ;)
May 2, 2016 1:16 am
Do subsidies include crafting supplies?
May 2, 2016 2:00 am
Does "basic supplies" include all mundane items, including ammo?
May 2, 2016 2:22 am
@ Kaos: No, its basic supplies you buy from the guild.

@ Jabes: Yes.
May 2, 2016 3:48 am
Ok, here's what I've got so far. I'm still making a change or two to his feats, and will probably redo his gear (as I seem to be over budget). I'll make a clean stat block when I've finalized everything.
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May 2, 2016 3:55 am
How does Focused Shot work with Rapid Shot or a Zen Archery Flurry? How about in conjunction with a Precise Shot? Do I get to add the INT mod to any attack I make with a bow?

Hey I just went back through this thread and found this! I can't believe I missed it! Ok, yeah, definitely going back and tweaking Ujjaya's feat list. But damn, taking this will mean giving up one of my archery feats!
kalajel says:
Ah, found something quick for the monk in Complete Mage. I just switch necrotic energy for positive energy and we get...

Deathwarp Strike
The traditional monk seeks balance in body, mind, and soul, and through this equilibrium gains various combat talents. A lightbringer monk who learns the secret of the deathwarp strike masters a divine talent of channeling positive energy that disrupts the ki of undead creatures, producing an effect akin to terrible sickness.
Class: Monk
Level: 1st
Replaces: 1st level bonus feat.
Benefit: You know how to channel positive energy into your unarmed strikes. You must declare that you are using this ability before you make your attack roll (thus, a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). In addition of increasing your normal unarmed damage by 1 step (from d6 to d8, d8 to d10, and so on), your unarmed strike renders any undead creature nauseated for 1 round, or sickened for 1 round if it succeeds on a Willpower save (DC 10 + 1/2 your monk levels + your Wisdom modifier).
You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to your monk level, and no more than once per round.

Given how Pathfinder works, perhaps I should reword this a bit to make it part of Stunning Fist, saying that your stunning fist can be used on undead creatures that way? Edit: Nope, your Zen Archer replaces Stunning Fist with Perfect Strike, so I might as well leave it as is...
Last edited May 2, 2016 5:54 am
May 2, 2016 1:46 pm
Jabes.plays.RPG says:
How does Focused Shot work with Rapid Shot or a Zen Archery Flurry? How about in conjunction with a Precise Shot? Do I get to add the INT mod to any attack I make with a bow?

Hey I just went back through this thread and found this! I can't believe I missed it! Ok, yeah, definitely going back and tweaking Ujjaya's feat list. But damn, taking this will mean giving up one of my archery feats!
kalajel says:
Ah, found something quick for the monk in Complete Mage. I just switch necrotic energy for positive energy and we get...

Deathwarp Strike
The traditional monk seeks balance in body, mind, and soul, and through this equilibrium gains various combat talents. A lightbringer monk who learns the secret of the deathwarp strike masters a divine talent of channeling positive energy that disrupts the ki of undead creatures, producing an effect akin to terrible sickness.
Class: Monk
Level: 1st
Replaces: 1st level bonus feat.
Benefit: You know how to channel positive energy into your unarmed strikes. You must declare that you are using this ability before you make your attack roll (thus, a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). In addition of increasing your normal unarmed damage by 1 step (from d6 to d8, d8 to d10, and so on), your unarmed strike renders any undead creature nauseated for 1 round, or sickened for 1 round if it succeeds on a Willpower save (DC 10 + 1/2 your monk levels + your Wisdom modifier).
You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to your monk level, and no more than once per round.

Given how Pathfinder works, perhaps I should reword this a bit to make it part of Stunning Fist, saying that your stunning fist can be used on undead creatures that way? Edit: Nope, your Zen Archer replaces Stunning Fist with Perfect Strike, so I might as well leave it as is...
It uses your standard action to make a Focused Shot, so you can only make one attack that round. Things like manyshot and rapid shot require you to use the full attack action, and so don't work with focused shot.
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