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Oct 20, 2021 1:59 pm
bowlofspinach says:
Wasn't there talk of some dropdown thing with mentions and stuff? It would maybe fit in there 💁‍♀️
I took @mentions out. I got the impression that people didn't like the implementation, so I shot it head.
bowlofspinach says:
Yea, exactly. And people won't see any of the latter bits unless you make a new post or send a discord note to your players or something
Oh yeah. I know what the problem is. I don't know the solution though.
Oct 20, 2021 2:04 pm
bowlofspinach says:
It's mostly GMs doing that in my experience. Players usually end their posts with rolls while GMs often start with them.
I have seen many games where players post "TBD" (normally in angle brackets, but I can not post those here:) and roll and then come back and fill in what they did. They even have a name: "TBD posts", and are sufficiently standard that many assume that is how things are done, so I have to explicitly ban them in all my games to counter that assumption.
Oct 20, 2021 2:05 pm
Really? I thought I was the only person on the site/discord who wasn't head over heels in love with the idea of @ mentions 😆
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Oh yeah. I know what the problem is. I don't know the solution though.
I feel like having rolls not be part of posts but something you do inbetween posts would be a good solution (or allowing both maybe).
Oct 20, 2021 2:05 pm
bowlofspinach says:
I've caught people cheat like that before ...
The solution of 'don't play with people you don't trust' is not helpful here so adding mechanisms that protect against this cheating is a good thing.

The only reason I use dice rollers is to simulate the shared experience of everyone looking over to see the outcome on important rolls. I found that aspect lacking on games where I have players use whatever (physical?) dice they have lying around. Rolling on the site added that excitement back.
Oct 20, 2021 2:06 pm
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I have seen many games where players post "TBD" (normally in angle brackets, but I can not post those here:) and roll and then come back and fill in what they did. They even have a name: "TBD posts", and are sufficiently standard that many assume that is how things are done, so I have to explicitly ban them in all my games to counter that assumption.
Might be different in different systems maybe. I've seen those from players but very rarely. Mostly from GMs.
Doesn't matter though. TBD posts are a big hassle, regardless of who they come from, in my opinion
Oct 20, 2021 2:08 pm
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The solution of 'don't play with people you don't trust' is not helpful here so adding mechanisms that protect against this cheating is a good thing.
Yea, "never play with new members" is not a good solution I think 😆

I would feel weird if a game didn't have dice rolls in the thread. Just someone writing "I totally rolled a 19 there, btw" would feel strange. Even if I know and trust the user
Oct 20, 2021 2:10 pm
Whereas I positively encourage TBD style posts from players. I almost can't imagine playing without them. Meh - wouldn't it be awful if we were all the same?

But yeah, knowing when a post is finished so I can react is somewhat of a problem.
Oct 20, 2021 2:13 pm
bowlofspinach says:
... if I subscribe to all my games, (assuming I would get email notifications) my entire email post box would be nothing but GP ...
Some of us play games across many sites and constantly hitting F5 on all of them is not practical, especially when some of them will only have posts a few times a day, and emails would let us know immediately.

Not everyone has as many updates, most only have a few a day.

It is simple enough to have ones email system sort mails in such a way to make dealing with them easy.

If someone chooses not to use the notification system then the system can not help them and they need to come up with their own system, but that is out of our hands.

If we send emails for edits we should also mark the thread as unread (using the current mechanism) as those are the two mechanisms used here. This might be a v2 issues, though?
Oct 20, 2021 2:14 pm
Adam says:
Whereas I positively encourage TBD style posts from players ...
I only really find this with DnD games/players. But that does mean it is a common standard.
Oct 20, 2021 2:18 pm
vagueGM says:

If we send emails for edits we should also mark the thread as unread (using the current mechanism) as those are the two mechanisms used here. This might be a v2 issues, though?
Marking the whole thread as unread for everyone (except the editor) is trivial from a coding standpoint - but it gives no indication of what happened if it was a major edit on an early post.

Maybe the solution is to mark the whole thread unread (as you suggest), and rely on people saying "Oi! Stop making major edits on early posts! It's confusing!"

Minor edit by default so it's opt in.
Oct 20, 2021 2:20 pm
Adam says:
Marking the whole thread as unread for everyone (except the editor) is trivial from a coding standpoint - but it gives no indication of what happened if it was a major edit on an early post.
Yep. Non-idea. But miles better than no indication that things changed.
Oct 20, 2021 2:21 pm
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But yeah, knowing when a post is finished so I can react is somewhat of a problem.
We're in agreement.
And I'm not saying using email notifications is a bad idea for everyone. Just that it'd be very impractical for me. And considering you need to manually subscribe to threads for notifications, I don't think we should consider them a core part of the site but rather an addition. I'd be very annoyed if we implemented a solution that required me to rely on an outside service (email) rather than keep things in one place
Oct 20, 2021 2:26 pm
Adam says:
... rely on people saying "Oi! Stop making major edits on early posts! It's confusing!"
My policy is still Don't Edit, and I will just point people at that rule each time they disobey.
Oct 20, 2021 2:27 pm
bowlofspinach says:
... considering you need to manually subscribe to threads for notifications, I don't think we should consider them a core part of the site ...
Yeah, other places do this better. Some let you set defaults for which threads you automatically subscribe to (ones in your games, ones you reply to, all of a certain type) and you only need to do anything when you want to do something different to your default.

At leas GP lets us subscribe to a forum, so I get email for this thread as soon as it is created, no action required.
Oct 20, 2021 10:31 pm
Lots to catch up on -- y'all are busy posters. I use TBD style posts all the time, and there are loads of games (beyond D&D) that really encourage roll-then-narrate workflows, or even narrate-roll-narrate more. Love the idea of a little switch that says 'good to go,' but it's easy enough to include an OOC note saying as much. I normally use [post coming], [under construction] or the like, and rarely if ever have a problem with it in my games. Cross-posting is a *much* bigger deal, as it can take me some time to draft up a larger post...
Oct 21, 2021 12:48 am
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rarely if ever have a problem with it in my games
Because you use discord to alert people after your post is finished. The site alone doesn't support TBD posts
Oct 21, 2021 3:16 am
bowlofspinach says:
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rarely if ever have a problem with it in my games
Because you use discord to alert people after your post is finished. The site alone doesn't support TBD posts
Sure it does. Just use an OOC comment. I've operated that way across more than a half-dozen PbP sites for close to 20 years, and I haven't had problems with that on any of them. Discord does make things easier and faster, but I'd argue that there are way more problematic things real-time comms solve beyond "TBD" posts.
Oct 21, 2021 3:35 am
Of course you can do this. But my point is that many people don't and it's an annoying issue that I wish there was a fix from the site for 😄
Oct 21, 2021 4:10 am
Allow me to clarify...
bowlofspinach says:
Of course you can do this. But my point is that many people don't and it's an annoying issue that I wish there was a fix from the site for... for those people who press F5 once a minute for eighteen hours a day. 😄
Oct 21, 2021 4:12 am
We deserve rights too 😄
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