Character Discussion

Please parse out your ideas, ask questions, etc.

Ideally, everyone served in the Greek army in some capacity, whether by blade, prophecy, etc. Let's also say that you each know at least one other party member personally, and the others at least by recognition. There has to be some basic trust for the initial escape to work out, after all.

A note, since it came up with Jom.

You may have different types of relationships with multiple gods. But I do need everyone to establish at least 1.

Query - Would you be okay with variant multiclassing especially as a method to acess some aspects of classes that are otherwise not allowed. (Such as oracle and bard)

I'm also curious if you (and the others) would be happy with a paladin or ranger who swps out their spellcasting abilities (As that's the main reason the book says no) . (Though understand paldin may still be a bit too magical)

If the bove I no no worries. I've got several chara ter concepts so just trying to work hat does and doesn't work with the restrictions.

Also I'm trying to research, but where are we standing on woman in the army? I've at least fou d amazon were linked to the Trojan war.

Couple of concepts I'm leaning towards - warrior linked with athena. Rogue (and bard if allowed) linked with Diomysus who 'officially' was only with the army for moral and menial support.

howdy, thanks for the invite @lavtodd

I am thinking of a common sailor character, so probably affiliated to Poseidon. After all, the deployment of troops in the Trojan wars required quite a lot of naval support. Maybe the character has even been demoted to help in the kitchen for some transgression, like he's been caught snoozing on a watch... so he spent the last three months cooking. I like the idea that he might be a bit of a scoundrel. He values his own safety over heroism, and is quick to adapt in situations of dire need. So this one will become a hero (if his destiny is such) almost by chance, or against his better judgment.

To simplify things, can you point me out to a suitable 5th level pre-gen to adapt (or to a character generator) to make creation easier for me, new to Pathfinder?

How do you want to handle character wealth? By 5th level a character is expected to have amassed 10,500 gp in wealth and normally that would go to magical items. Since this is a low-magic setting, I would assume that said magical items do not exist, or at least not in the quantity that they can be easily picked up.

Mulling over options and still not settled on anything, but right now I'm leaning towards a Slayer w/ Vanguard archetype and a devotee of Artemis. As such, they'd be a bow wielder. The vanguard archetype gives them some play with teamwork feats and sharing those to the group.

The description sounds rather fitting for where we're coming from: "Vanguards are battlefield commanders who focus on the brutality of combat and lead their allies to bloody victory. Quick to react to danger, a vanguard is a valuable scout, capable officer, and skilled tactician."

Good morning, all!

Variant multiclassing: I like this version better, anyway. It's much smoother. If you want to multiclass this way, go for it.

Hybrid and "Original" classes: Allowed, but let's talk about it to make sure they fit. For example, Jom's bloodrager got the Hellenic Sorceress's limited spell list, though the concept overall remains. So Paladin, Ranger, Bard, etc. are not off the table, they'll just need some discussion.

Women in the Army: I'll allow it. (For C1nder, too, if devotion to Artemis implies that). Like all the backstories, let's make sure there's a "darn good reason" (Amazon, replacing your brother, mad that this whole thing started over abducting a woman, mad that Paris didn't choose your goddess, etc.). If y'all at least know of each other, have survived a 10 year war together, and are able to successfully escape together, I will expect that among the party this isn't a notable issue.

Dr_B:What a delightful weasel. I love it. Let's find a relevant PC class just so his core stats scale properly and he knows which end of a sword to point out. (I'm also open to knife-and-pot proficiency, but we can chat elsewhere).

Let me brush up on 5th ed and I'll help you out.

Wealth and Magic Items: I have a couple ideas on this, I think, that would tie back to your devotions and experience. Give me a little time and I'll propose them (since my stats might be off). Because yes, low magic changes a lot, but I'd rather not completely reinvent the wheel when it comes to party balance with encounters.

C1nder: Great idea, but be careful with the Teamwork feats. Some only work when 2 allies have the same feat.

Everyone, I love the vibe this is giving off so far. Please feel free to start your own thread to work out the grittier details of your particular character.

Posting as I find things so I don't forget or bury details in a wall of text.

Because the Trojan War was about 10 years, Pathfinder human adulthood is 15, and Middle Age (and stat changes) start at 35, please aim to be between 25 and 34 unless we discuss something else.

Again, these things are baselines, but I personally find them helpful to discuss.

I was hoping to play a younger lad. Perhaps only joined at the end of the war?

Sure. Please pick one:

1. There were occasional reinforcements sent, but since the big names weren't on those boats people didn't mention them in detail.
2. You were brought as a young'un to cart supplies or something, either as an orphan or another soldier's only kin, then joined the fight when you came of age.
3. You were a Trojan taken prisoner who now fights for the Greeks.
4. You weren't taken prisoner, but you can tell staying in your homeland ain't a great idea.

Ooooh, an orphan of 'unknown parentage'? That's a classic for the genre.

Excellent choice. I'm not doing demigods due to folks' interest in "Normal Dudes Doing Amazing Things," but a lack of clear parentage is chock full of potential.

Well, correction. There are "more than human" options through classes such as the Hellenistic Sorceress, but I'm not going full "Swan Zeus swooped on your mom."

For those considering ranger (and I'm ok with multiple due to archetypes), here's a spell-less version that may be worth considering:

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/kobold-press-open-design/spell-less-ranger/

I'm also willing to do a limited spell list like with the sorceress in the source book.

Dr_B, this might be an interesting archetype for your sailor: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/ranger/archetypes/paizo-ranger-archetypes/deep-diver/

Of course, if he's spell-less it takes a slight adjustment, but some of the effects are pretty darn cool for a sailor.

*Sideways glance at the son of Osiris*

Just realised that a Disciple of the pike cavalier 9Refluffed to not be a hellknight of course) could be fitting for ancient greece, as it is a monster hunter with a spear. Would nee to have fun picking an appropriate order though. (Thinking Dragon, or asking Hero to be tweaked)Tactician could combo well with Vanguard.

I had looked at Cavalier as well. It seems like a great fit, but the mount would be tough. I was looking briefly at the Esquire archetype, which has him gain a cohort rather than a mount.

I think I'll stick with the Slayer idea though

Pike gets rid of mount, as does Daring champion which I was also eyeing.

Not the son, Born of Osiris. From death came life. Cut from his mother's corpse yadda yadda

"God only knows" who his father is.

It was a bit of a wall of text in Tawiz's page. But it's more of a syncretist "You ain't from 'round here" title. He's just a dude.

Frankly, what I'm thinking with the orphan so far is that someone, not sure who yet, is keeping an eye on him, and part of his jouney is discovering his patron.

Of course maidens of Artemis would be rewarded by their Lady.

Am I reading the room wrong? Do you guys want to be more than just dudes?