Totems 101

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Apr 18, 2023 12:52 am
Yes, but that's why my statement stands. Lol
Apr 18, 2023 3:28 am
Ok, extra points to spend on totem.

I would suggest Open Moon Bridge.

Also worth considering, IMO, are the ability to talk without spirit speech, and the armor, blast, and healing charms.

On a personal level, I'd love access to more gnosis points, but that's being selfish. I started with 1 gnosis and a fetish. Lol
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Apr 18, 2023 9:13 am
Of note - in the current story moon bridges do not work
Apr 18, 2023 9:26 am
I fail to see anything wrong with relying on the member of the pack most likely to do the spirits bane to do the communicating :p

Diana has two gifts that use Gnosis, both which aid everyone else. (Inspiration, and Mother touch) so more wouldn't hurt.
Apr 18, 2023 4:01 pm
Moon bridges may not work currently, but I still think it's a trait worth having so as soon as they do start to function, we can use them.
Apr 18, 2023 4:49 pm
I have nothing to add to what the group wants to spend the points on since I have no real experience with the game. I'm happy to go with what the more experienced members of the group choose.
Apr 19, 2023 4:58 pm
The extra gnosis and such would go to the totem spirit as I understand it, not us. But I think Mammoth will be cool. Just don't mention the Ice Age around him. ^^
Apr 19, 2023 5:04 pm
They may have changed it for the 20th Anni version, but there used to be an option to spend points to get more from your totem. They fell under the "pack has X dots of Y per story" benefits.

Anyone have a page number(s) for the new book? I'm just going by memory.
Apr 19, 2023 6:21 pm
Page 140, the Totem background and what can be done with it, as well as starting stuff the Totem gets.
Apr 20, 2023 12:26 am
They go to the totem yes- so if it's 3 gnosis points for instance, the entire pack can draw on them but it's 3 total so if Patrick uses one there are two then if Misha uses one one left.

They refresh at the "story" level.

I'll post all the options when I get a chance.

The way you advance and get more is just to have individual pack members spend the 2 exp per dot in totems background to grow it.
Apr 20, 2023 9:47 pm
In W20 the totem spirit gets 8 points to divide between Rage, Willpower and Gnosis for its own stats. Those 3 points go to improve that I think, not to a pool to be used for ourselves. It's a way to make it beefier so it doesn't get ripped to shreds by an enemy who knows how to instantly destroy a pack's cohesion.
Apr 23, 2023 11:54 pm
Hrm.

Yes, it appears that is correct-- a change from Revised/2E that I wasn't entirely aware of.

So, pending decisions -- how to distribute the Totem Spirit's 8 points of Rage/Gnosis/Willpower.

How to spend the "extra points"--

Options are:
Cost Power
1 Per three points to spend on Willpower, Rage, or Gnosis
1 Totem can speak to the pack without the benefit of the Gift: Spirit Speech.
1 Totem can always find the pack members.
2 Totem is nearly always with the pack members.
2 Totem is respected by other spirits.
2 Per charm possessed
3 Per extra pack member who can use the totem’s powers in the same turn
4 Totem is connected mystically to all pack members, allowing communication among them even at great distances.
5 Totem is feared by agents of the Wyrm. Either minions of the Wyrm flee from the pack, or they do their best to kill the pack

You currently have 12 total points minus 8 for the cost gives 4 to spend on the above (but probably increased to 5).

@Phil_Ozzy_Fer-- I am assuming you want to spend the 2 experience points for one point in Totem? You need to in order to gain the Str/Enigmas buff (which will push the points to spend to 5)
Apr 24, 2023 12:09 am
I feel like the totem being able to speak to the pack without Spirit Speech is pretty essential, especially early on.

Pack Telepathy has benefits, but with this pack... maybe skip it? Lol We could just get 12 points to spend on stats, and boost it to 6/7/7?
Apr 24, 2023 11:28 pm
I strongly advocate for being able to speak without needing Spirit Speech, and sure. Paul can take a point in Totem.
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Apr 25, 2023 12:59 am
It's best you do. You have to take at least one point in Totem to actually have the totem apply its benefits to you.
Apr 25, 2023 2:52 am
Unfortunately for Diana it makes sense for the rest of you to be able to speak with it, especially when it's so cheap.
Apr 26, 2023 2:00 am
Seeing consensus for that, which leaves 4 points left.
May 16, 2023 2:33 am
Okay-- need to close the loop on this as well; if everyone can list their preferences for how to spend the remaining four points in a concise "vote-like" way.
May 16, 2023 3:34 am
Ok.

Communication without Spirit Speech.

OR...

Pack Telepathy.
May 16, 2023 3:43 am
Pack Telepathy is too useful, I think
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