1. Plans Within Plans

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Jan 7, 2024 4:33 am
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Yup, the roll looks great. I didn't assign a difficulty in advance, but it would be tough, so Difficulty 3 is reasonable. A natural 1 counts as two successes, and the 17 does not add any more. The Mentat trait reduces the difficulty by 1. This makes it a success.
[ +- ] By the Juice of Sapho, Hural discerns...
Jan 7, 2024 5:37 am
"It is beyond my doubt that those masquerading as Fremen were, in fact, tipped off by someone within Isaac Fumor's own faction. They were armed with lasguns, so they have connections - surely operatives of a Minor or Major House, and embedded into the White Ghost's organization.

Clearly they did not want Isaac Fumor to deliver this name, Kendon Ordway, to us. If they knew of Fumor's mission, then we have to assume they knew the message as well. As such, we have to expect they have what is needed to attempt to bar our path further, seeing as they failed in circumventing the delivery of that message. The motivation eludes me at this time, but given more data points, I will be able to think further on it.

The smugglers are either already in bed with this House, and they wish us not to make a move on their business dealings, or they are content in keeping House Heslin from expanding its interests."
Jan 7, 2024 6:30 am
"Plans within plans indeed... It is as we suspected..."

"I think, yet again, how blessed we are to be working with such a powerful mentat as you, Hural - I do not think we could have put these pieces together without your abilities and insights."


Marya's smile shines at Hural - not flirtatious, just so clearly heartfelt and genuine that many experience it as deeply disarming. This sense that this impressive powerful woman finds them impressive and deserving of this smile...
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Not trying to manipulate or do a roll here, just trying to lean into Marya's trait of "charming".
"Given Hural's analysis, my understanding is that we will not be able to conceal to the smugglers our intent if we try to infiltrate their organisation - as the smugglers and at least one House somehow know already of House Helsin's intentions."

"I still feel that working with the smugglers' existing organisation is the best path to our success, for the reasons we already discussed. However, I wonder whether it is better to begin by identifying - and ideally countering - the forces and players that seem to be already working against us. And once we understand that better, once we have perhaps already negated and thwarted some of them, only then to move to integrate and infiltrate the smugglers."

"What do you think, comrades, Lady Sina?"
Jan 7, 2024 7:15 am
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Just to clarify - I don't believe the 'smugglers' are part of this deception or have spies in their midst (though its entirely possible), just the White Ghost's organization. They are different, if I'm understanding correctly.
"I believe going forward with the plan to meet this Kendon Ordway, our identities known, is the path. Fumor mentioned the man is open to a bribe and by way of the conversation, I would assume he knows full well with whom he would be aligning their interests. Was that the intent, Lady Sina?"
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Jan 7, 2024 12:57 pm
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Ah, thanks for that - I had understood the "they" in this passage as "the smugglers" but now I think it refers to "the other house".
C1NDER says:
The smugglers are either already in bed with this House, and they wish us not to make a move on their business dealings, or they are content in keeping House Heslin from expanding its interests."
Is Kendon Ordway a part of the smuggling organisaiton? So if we approach him with our real identities, then these identities will also be known to all (or at least the important) smugglers? Or is he an intermediary?

At the moment, I think Marya would want to go to this meeting with Kendon and understand better his relationship to the smugglers, what kind of access or insights he can give us - what we learn there, would inform her preferences for how we try and get involved with the smugglers.

I think she also would want to be following up as soon as possible on the identity and then motivations of the House that sent the "fremen" to try and stop us getting Kendon's name.
Jan 7, 2024 4:51 pm
Sina when approached about this indicates, "This intermediary of the smugglers, Kendon Ordway, he is the only one who can lead us directly to them. We need to be careful that we are not publicly aligned with them, for that gives the Harkonnen a reason to make our lives miserable. However, if that is the way forward, then so be it, we will simply need to be able to explain. As my public image is moving toward setting up a grand market, they are potential vendors after all."

The question of the rival house are easier. "Admago Bakhtiar, the heir of Lord Lodho of House Bakhtiar, has been spending more time in Carthag. He sought an alliance, to obtain our water processes for their own micro-hydroponics holdings. I rejected them of course, even an offer of marriage, as the truth of my families intentions would be a disaster if discovered by the Bakhtiari. As a House pledged to the Harkonnen, they would sell us out instantly."
Jan 7, 2024 8:50 pm
"The insight on House Bakhtiar is helpful, Lady Sina, thank you. We will meet with this Kendon Ordway and do what we can to keep our budding relationship with his group private. If the Bakhtiars become more involved, we will endeavor to keep them from knowing our true plans.

Are there any actions you recommend we take with the White Ghost. It unnerves me their organization would have such internal issues. Perhaps they should be made aware of our suspicions. Even if they themself are the leak, knowing our suspicions may force them to hold back from further provocation."
Jan 7, 2024 8:51 pm
BeardHare says:
At the moment, I think Marya would want to go to this meeting with Kendon and understand better his relationship to the smugglers, what kind of access or insights he can give us - what we learn there, would inform her preferences for how we try and get involved with the smugglers.

I think she also would want to be following up as soon as possible on the identity and then motivations of the House that sent the "fremen" to try and stop us getting Kendon's name.
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I agree with all this :)
Jan 8, 2024 7:06 am
"Then let us pursue this meeting with Kendon - reach out to him and fix a time and a place to meet up."

"Markus, Rook, perhaps you are best placed to locate Kendon Ordway and set up a meet with him?"

"While that is happening, Hural and I could look for ways of gaining leverage over Kendon - something about his lifestyle or his situation that we could use to make him more likely to keep our work with him secret?"
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I think this is the most complicated bit of planning I've done so far in-character via PbP. I'm very aware how much easier/quicker this would be in-person where we could do a bunch of quick check-ins with each other to make sure we understand things the same way and are good with the proposed course of action.

Any tips on how I might play this a bit quicker? Would you PbP veterans do something like just saying "Alright, we're doing it this way" and push forward with actually enacting one of the options, and then leave people to interject if they want it done differently? I've already done a bit of that here, proposing a specific plan and who does what - but I haven't gone and acted on it directly.

Deciding how we play this feels important to our success, and important to have agreement on, but maybe there's more fun in just going with something and seeing how we get on?
Jan 8, 2024 3:54 pm
"Yes, my lady I can arrange a meeting with Kendon through Shadran. I wonder if the imposter Fremen works for Admago Bakhtiar, of House Bakhtiar. Shadran might also provide a means of leverage, but I cannot say for certain that he would do that. I'm sure he has his price though."
Jan 8, 2024 9:54 pm
BeardHare says:
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Any tips on how I might play this a bit quicker?
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Does it need to be quicker? I'm good with the pace as it is.
BeardHare says:
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Would you PbP veterans do something like just saying "Alright, we're doing it this way" and push forward with actually enacting one of the options, and then leave people to interject if they want it done differently?
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Yep.
BeardHare says:
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Deciding how we play this feels important to our success, and important to have agreement on, but maybe there's more fun in just going with something and seeing how we get on?
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I was under the impression that it's all part of the game. :) This ain't no dungeon crawl. ;)
Jan 8, 2024 9:57 pm
"I will accompany Rook, so long as he is comfortable with me being there. I don't wish my presence to jeopardize his relationship with his contacts." He looks to Rook for his answer.
Jan 9, 2024 12:19 am
"Yes, I think a cunning swordmaster such as yourself Marcus, would be welcome. I have a good relationship with my contact. We trust each other as much as is possible in this place. If you're with me he will consider you trustworthy. Just keep your hands away from your weapons!" Rook says jokingly.
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Jan 9, 2024 1:12 am
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Thanks @ForeverDED - I find it a lot easier to assess things like this when playing 'live'. It's reassuring and helpful to learn from your experience, and that the way it's going works for you :)
Jan 9, 2024 4:02 am
BeardHare says:
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Thanks @ForeverDED - I find it a lot easier to assess things like this when playing 'live'. It's reassuring and helpful to learn from your experience, and that the way it's going works for you :)
OOC:
Glad to help. To be completely honest, I've spent the last 20+ years playing via email. That tended to be slower than PbP. But I get what you mean by about assessing things live being much easier.
Windyridge says:
If you're with me he will consider you trustworthy. Just keep your hands away from your weapons!" Rook says jokingly.
Marcus smiles. "I promise to behave."
Jan 10, 2024 4:08 am
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Are we ready to proceed to the Sandstorm Cantina and look for Rook's contact in the White Ghost, Shadran Korr?
Jan 10, 2024 6:05 am
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My understanding is that Rook and Marcus are going to sort out/organise maybe do the meet, while Hural and Marya are going to try and dig up dirt/leverage on Kendon Ordway or some other more behind-the-scenes stuff to support our cause. I'll be posting with that assumption, please jump in if you see things differently.
Jan 10, 2024 7:24 am
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I can go either way :) Learning more about the man before we leave the city could have its uses - not sure, mechanically or narratively, how a Mentat and a Bene Gesserit would go about that - Q?

Going to seedy establishments and asking around seems like one route, but seems also to be more in Rook's ballpack of skills/contacts.

Perhaps there would be municipal, transportation, or criminal records - that could be a way to go.
Jan 10, 2024 8:03 am
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Marya has an asset "INFORMANT NETWORK" that might be useful for this.

We could also try and set up some kind of snooping, a spy, an asset with House Bakhtiar? Try and get names or info about possible agents they could have placed within the smugglers?

And indeed maybe this is stuff we can do independently of each other even - you checking out records, me trying to look into possible spy/informant stuff? Marya would go out in "normal" clothes for that - not making an obvious thing of being a BG.

To try and get into the swing of deciding what my character would do and doing it, rather than checking in with you all constantly, I'll have Marya announcing in character that she'll do this last option, and then Hural can interject in-character if he thinks it's a bad idea.
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