Rules and Conventions

Jan 7, 2024 8:32 pm
Here's a thread to present the optional rules we are using, to discuss how rules are implemented, and conventions that we adopt for this game. These first posts will document the rules and conventions, and will be updated as necessary if we make any changes/additions.

RULES
Cleaving through creatures (DMG 272) When a melee attack reduces an undamaged target to 0 HP, the attack can carry over to another target within reach if it would hit using the original attack roll. If hit, the target receives whatever damage remains from the original damage roll.
Climb onto a bigger creature (DMG 271) A smaller creature can grab onto a larger creature by a) making a grapple check if the target creature is one or two sizes larger, or b) making opposed Athletics/Acrobatics checks to climb onto a creature more than two sizes larger.
Disarm (DMG 271) An attacker can declare an opponent's weapon as the target of a weapon attack. A successful attack (opposed by Athletics or Acrobatics, made with ADV if the attacker is larger, DISADV if the target is larger or is holding the weapon in at least two hands) means the target drops its weapon.
Level Advancement without XP (DMG 261) PCs do not track XP; PCs gain levels by accomplishing goals or completing tasks.
Overrun (DMG 272) A combatant can move through a hostile target's space as an action or bonus action by succeeding with contested STR (Athletics) checks, with ADV/DISADV conferred to the attempt if the pushing combatant is larger/smaller than the target.
Shove aside (DMG 272) A combatant using the shove action can choose to move targets sideways, instead of backwards.
Jan 7, 2024 8:36 pm
CONVENTIONS
Achievements The DM has a list of various "achievements" that he tracks for each PC. When an achievement is unlocked, that PC will gain a small benefit for accomplishing that achievement.
Ammunition After a combat encounter, characters will be able to retrieve half of the expended ammunition (rounded down) if time and circumstances allow them to do so.
Elvish Trances The 4-hour trance can function as all of an elf PC's long rest.
Halving When the rules require us to calculate half of a value, we will always round down.
Inspiration Each PC starts each adventure with Inspiration. The DM awards Inspiration throughout the adventure for any of a variety of reasons, but certainly for playing to a flaw against your PC's self-interest. Inspiration can be used to make a d20 roll with ADV, or it can be used after a d20 roll is made but before the results are described to make a second roll (the re-roll is kept).
Legacy card boons Each legacy card boon earned when parts of the campaign are completed can be used once per long rest.
Long rests A character can take one long rest per calendar day.
Multiple rolls In situations where the DM or player mistakenly roll multiple times (such as when applying ADV/DISADV when that doesn't apply), to save time the first of the rolls will be used rather than asking for a single re-roll.
Rations When resting (short or long), characters consume a meal. This will often be provided within the narrative, through hospitality or foraging, but it may sometimes consume a ration.
Role-playing stories/conversations During long rests, players are encouraged to create a bit of narrative in-character: some anecdote, joke, or bit of personal history that the PC is sharing with the rest of the group.
0 HP When a PC is reduced to 0 HP, the player may choose to describe some lasting-but-mechanically-insignificant change to their character, such as a scar. The accumulation of such signs of survival will make an impression on NPCs.
Jan 7, 2024 8:43 pm
Question on Rations. Currently we are on a 20-day caravan. Princess has zero rations on character. Meals caravan supplied or should rations be accounted for on character. Princess does have a flask for water to drink.
Jan 7, 2024 9:25 pm
GeneCortess says:
Question on Rations. Currently we are on a 20-day caravan. Princess has zero rations on character. Meals caravan supplied or should rations be accounted for on character. Princess does have a flask for water to drink.
Food is absolutely provided with the caravan; the PCs won't need to draw upon their rations while with the caravan.
Jan 7, 2024 10:24 pm
Here's a question about conventions that I'd like the players to answer.

The Dungeon in a Box adventures - of which Secrets of the Greenwold is the first - are written for replayability. One way they achieve that is with a lot of random tables. You won't see the tables, but I will be rolling to select items randomly at times. Tables will determine things like minor NPCs, interstitial locations, random encounters, etc: things that happen between and sometimes inform the set-piece, anchor encounters/locations. My question is: when the adventure calls for a roll on a table, do you players want to see that I am making such a roll, or not?

I can see that it could be fun either way. Seeing the rolls happen might impart a sense of the unexpected, but not seeing the rolls might help with the sense of a continuous narrative. Which would you prefer?
Jan 7, 2024 10:30 pm
I'm a fan of GM doing lots behind curtain and I find out later what just hit. Don't need to see the rolls or even know that you did them. Same is for skill rolls needed. Just do them for me and I find out later. I don't even need to see the rolls either. Trust you figured them out right.
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Jan 7, 2024 11:08 pm
GeneCortess says:
I'm a fan of GM doing lots behind curtain and I find out later what just hit. Don't need to see the rolls or even know that you did them. Same is for skill rolls needed. Just do them for me and I find out later. I don't even need to see the rolls either. Trust you figured them out right.
Same here. I’m a big fan of DM making whichever and however rolls as possible. I’ve always felt like, PC’s making unsolicited rolls, esp things like Perception, really doesn’t always make a lot of sense.
Jan 7, 2024 11:21 pm
I'm good either way!
Jan 8, 2024 12:11 am
I enjoy both and either. Always fun to just be entertained, and I also like to look behind the curtain when allowed. More grist for my own mill.
Jan 8, 2024 12:30 am
Thanks for your responses! Just to be clear, I wasn't talking about PC skill checks (though your preferences there are good to know!) or any other rolls that players would do, but rather the sort of things like random encounter-type rolls.
Jan 8, 2024 2:35 am
99.9% of the time -- especially in play-by-post -- my answer will be "whatever is easiest for our GM."

And I mean that.
Jan 8, 2024 7:33 am
What ever is easist for the GM. We meet a bear defecating in the woods. Is it part of the plot or random encounter? I'll enjoy the encounter either way.

What does frustrates me is when GM makes a post with a secret message to another player, and that other player replays in an open post. I'm left feeling excluded or feeling that I must have missed something important somewhere.
Jan 8, 2024 7:50 am
runekyndig says:
What does frustrates me is when GM makes a post with a secret message to another player, and that other player replays in an open post. I'm left feeling excluded or feeling that I must have missed something important somewhere.
Secret posts really ought to have a tag to let the recipient know it’s a secret msg.
Jan 8, 2024 5:06 pm
How about this convention? If it's a message intended for only one player - say, I'm pointing out a mistake that they made and trying to not call the group's attention to it - I'll begin with "This is a private message to you. If you feel the need to reply in detail, use the private tag when you respond."
Jan 8, 2024 5:31 pm
Trust and meddling. Such a problem. Can you trust a person to react as if they didn't see the info. I'm not a fan of hidden messages. That is my answer.
Jan 8, 2024 5:36 pm
Since that doesn't apply to what I was talking about, you need not be concerned.

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Feb 28, 2024 11:30 pm
WhiteDwarf says:
OOC:
How might one go about administering a Sleeper-Hold in 5e? Athletics check, or something more gonzo than that? Asking for a friend.
That's an interesting question. There isn't an explicit set of rules for wrestling and choking in official 5e, so we'd have to make something ourselves. I think, for ease of use, I'm leaning toward something like this for humanoids:
- grapple check to grab the neck, if possible
- After the round of the initial grapple, maintain the grapple for a number of rounds equal to the target's CON modifier (minimum 1) to knock the target unconscious.

Now I might apply modifiers to the grapple checks based on size differences, as it will be harder to grab and choke a giant than a pixie. These rules would only apply to creatures with consciousness, a circulatory system, one brain, and anatomy familiar to the wrestling attacker.

What does everyone think? Once we decide on a ruleset we like, I'll document it in the initial post of optional rules.
Feb 29, 2024 12:15 am
Seems solid enough to me.
Feb 29, 2024 4:36 am
I would look at some class features like the monks stunning strike. The house rule must not be better than class features.

What you are suggesting can put any humanoid down in as little as 2 rounds. That is strong.
I would have you do non-lethal damage instead while you grabbing. Something like 1d10+2*proficiency. That could take a 25hp guard down in 2 to 4 rounds ~ 12 to 30 seconds
Jun 22, 2024 3:15 am
I have a question about Inspiration. In the D&D 5e rules, Inspiration can be granted for any of a variety of reasons. But it is expended to grant ADV on a roll. This implicitly means that the player using Inspiration has to declare it before making the initial roll. The intent, as I have always understood it, is for players to use their Inspiration for particularly critical rolls: "I really have to win this race, so I'll spend my Inspiration to get ADV on my CON check," or "Half the party is down and dying, I only have 5 HP, and this spellcaster is going to kill the rest if he maintains his concentration on that spell, so I'll spend my Inspiration in my attempt to hit him and break his concentration."

That's a great goal, but in practice, I've observed that very few players think to use Inspiration in this way. They either spend it as soon as they get it, or they forget to use it at all when the chips are down and tension is high. If anything, I've observed that this dynamic is even more pronounced in play-by-post games, where the slow pace of turns (and the fact that people log in for a few minutes every day or two) seems to diminish the urgency.

So I have been considering an adjustment to how Inspiration is used. Specifically, I'm considering letting people spend Inspiration in the normal way - gaining advantage when spending Inspiration before a roll - but also spend Inspiration like the Lucky trait: if you make a roll and are dissatisfied with the result but the DM hasn't yet described the result, you can spend Inspiration to roll again. You must use the new result, and you can't use more Inspiration to roll a third time.

How does that sound to you? I know it's a change, but I know some tables already use Inspiration this way, I think it isn't a game-breaking change, and I think it might encourage people to use Inspiration more often.

Inspiration in this game should be... Public

only RAW: you declare that you're using it before rolling to gain ADV
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RAW and the new way: you declare before you roll, OR you spend it for a reroll before the results are described
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