Character and World Creation

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Apr 21, 2024 5:58 pm
So, for the Intro Questions:

 • How did you escape your servitude?
See backstory before

 • How long have you been in the city?
10 years

 • Whom do you call family in the city?
Jacob is a rather solitary guy, he mainly has business relationships only, either with potential clients, with providers, or with competitors. However, he has befriended a couple of university professors, and one of them, Dr. Williams, is the only one he could actually call "friend".

 • Whom do you turn to when you're in trouble?
Rhiannon, as she is my woman on the ground.

 • Whom did you scam that still holds a grudge?
James, an oracle that wanted to buy a seer stone. Jacob thought he had one secured, but his provider scammed him in the first place, so he decided to do the same with his client instead of losing the investment.

I will also start looking at each other Debts and come with a few suggestions. @Ysolde, I'm assuming you're already okay with our previous agreement: "You partner with someone on your schemes, both of you profiting in equal measure. You owe each other 2 Debts."
Apr 21, 2024 6:02 pm
@Gnomius that works for me

I’ll need:
- Someone helps you unwind and keeps you sane, despite the horrors of your hunts. You owe them a Debt.
- Your hunts incurred the wrath of a powerful person; someone helped smooth things over. You owe them a Debt.
- Someone has enlisted you to protect them from something dangerous. They owe you a Debt.

@Stalker05 and @Oopsylon are any of these something your character might be able to do?
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Apr 21, 2024 6:13 pm
vagueGM says:
Ysolde says:
... She has the same issues with it that the rest of us have with the bigots and idiots that plague the real world. ...
Does this also apply to the fact that you are a girl and "should be out having fun and not fighting monsters. That is men's work! Damnit!!", or do we not see much gender prejudice in this version of your world?

Being underestimated because you are a cute girl can be a powerful tool.
Again, not from her parents or her mentor. There’s probably at least one hunter in the society that feels she’s not special and ought to be doing something more "girly" and, of course, other hunters who aren’t in her society.

Having dealt with such things IRL all my life it’s hard to imagine a modern type would without these issues. If we were doing full blown fantasy that would be different.
vagueGM says:
Stalker05 says:
... Maybe, I will have to pass as a cosplayer or something.
Or HEMA, or fencing. Carrying any weapon around with you is unusual, people probably don't do so unless they have a pressing need. A sword in the street will probably get you stopped by the police and asked questions, just as it would in our world.
There’s a reason I picked a Seax and a chain for Rhiannon’s two hand weapons. Her bow is likely in her car and she can claim she’s in archery club if someone does see it.
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Apr 21, 2024 10:22 pm
@Ysolde: Perhaps Rhiannon’s hunts somehow incurred the wrath of the S3 Vampire Lord whose territory Benji’s harbour is in and Benji smoothed it over?
Or maybe we could just relate this debt ("Someone helps you unwind and keeps you sane, despite the horrors of your hunts. You owe them a Debt.") to this one of my starting debts ("Someone relies on you for their fix. Ask them what you provide that keeps them sane. They owe you a Debt; add them to your Web.")?
Or both?

@gnomius: I can’t imagine Benji was able to make much money busking during lockdowns/covid so maybe Jacob offered him some work on the side during that period ("You offered someone work when no one else would give them the time of day. Ask them if it worked out in your favor. They owe you a Debt either way.")?

@Stalker05: "Someone is your go-to when you get into trouble, providing information or muscle to get things done. You owe them 2 Debts." could work for Benji maybe (vampiric strength can come in handy) but I could also see that being a pretty good fit for Rhiannon… Maybe I’ll wait and see what debts the others want to take from you and I’ll see if I can work with any that remain
Apr 22, 2024 5:14 am
Those look good. Let me know if you need me to get involved, or if we need to clarify details about the world to help with interpreting the Debts.
Apr 22, 2024 4:17 pm
oopsylon says:
@gnomius: I can’t imagine Benji was able to make much money busking during lockdowns/covid so maybe Jacob offered him some work on the side during that period ("You offered someone work when no one else would give them the time of day. Ask them if it worked out in your favor. They owe you a Debt either way.")?
Sold! :-)

For my 3rd and last input, I think it makes a lot of sense that @Stalker05 takes it with Mark: "Someone is a consistent patron or customer of your establishment, regularly relying on you for your services or assistance. They owe you 2 Debts." I'm sure I can be your provider of books, magical components and stuff. :-)

@Ysolde, following our relationship, I think it makes sense that I take this one from your playbook: "- Someone has enlisted you to protect them from something dangerous. They owe you a Debt.", so you can protect me from that demon who wants me back in Hell (be it Fierna or another minion of hers)

For Benji and Mark:

- Benji, I could either be your provider of a regular blood income, or the one who sold you out to one of your enemies. Both go well with the "no-regrets businessman" type of character I have in mind for Jacob. Let me know which one you'd prefer.

- Mark, I will propose you that I take this one from your playbook: "You are helping someone keep a dangerous secret from powerful members of their Circle. They owe you a Debt". So you would be the only one who knows about the true identity of my precious raven. ;-) Perhaps you noticed yourself with your magic powers, that this was not an ordinary raven, or maybe you learned it in other mundane ways, up to you.
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Apr 23, 2024 2:06 am
@Oopsylon Let’s go with the combo he helps her unwind and relax with some of the leaf. His place is a good place to smoke and just vibe for a while before she has to deal with the world.

@Gnomius love that idea.

@Stalker05 does your character know someone who might fit?
-Your hunts incurred the wrath of a powerful person; someone helped smooth things over. You owe them a Debt.
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Apr 23, 2024 8:06 am
Ysolde says:
@Oopsylon Let’s go with the combo he helps her unwind and relax with some of the leaf. His place is a good place to smoke and just vibe for a while before she has to deal with the world.
Sure! I don’t think Benji smokes himself but he’s just happy to have a friend over :)
gnomius says:
oopsylon says:
@gnomius: I can’t imagine Benji was able to make much money busking during lockdowns/covid so maybe Jacob offered him some work on the side during that period ("You offered someone work when no one else would give them the time of day. Ask them if it worked out in your favor. They owe you a Debt either way.")?
Sold! :-)
Great! What do you imagine that work would have entailed? Just miscellaneous errands or is there something specific Jacob needed done?
gnomius says:
Benji, I could either be your provider of a regular blood income, or the one who sold you out to one of your enemies. Both go well with the "no-regrets businessman" type of character I have in mind for Jacob. Let me know which one you'd prefer.
Either is fine with me! Let’s go with the former unless Stalker05 wants it. @Stalker05 are you interested in either of these debts ("Someone makes sure you get fed regularly, without attracting too much attention. You owe them 2 Debts." or "Someone recently sold you out to one of your enemies. You avoided the worst of the attacks, but your betrayer owes you a Debt; add them to your Web.")?
Apr 24, 2024 8:12 am
OK, I'll take the "blood supplier" then, so I'm basically the provider for all of you. :-) Blood for Benji, magical gadgets and books for Mark and weapons, ammo, magical stuff... for Rhiannon.
Apr 24, 2024 8:28 am
gnomius says:
... I'm basically the provider for all of you. :-) ...
Makes sense. That fits your Establishment services and your Measure Your Mark Move that lets you know what people need.
Apr 24, 2024 8:28 am
oopsylon says:
gnomius says:
oopsylon says:
@gnomius: I can’t imagine Benji was able to make much money busking during lockdowns/covid so maybe Jacob offered him some work on the side during that period ("You offered someone work when no one else would give them the time of day. Ask them if it worked out in your favor. They owe you a Debt either way.")?
Sold! :-)
Great! What do you imagine that work would have entailed? Just miscellaneous errands or is there something specific Jacob needed done?
...
I can make some obvious suggestions if you are struggling to come up with work orders.
Apr 24, 2024 9:21 am
Oh, sorry, I missed that bit. Well, once again, Jacob always needs people on the ground, so he could have hired Benji for many services: getting info or gossip from the Night Circle, helping him find some artifact in the subway tunnels he knows by heart, etc... I was thinking more about this kind of "mini jobs" instead of a specific mission, but I'm also happy to hear suggestions if anyone has a cool idea.
Apr 24, 2024 12:16 pm
gnomius says:
OK, I'll take the "blood supplier" then, so I'm basically the provider for all of you. :-) Blood for Benji, magical gadgets and books for Mark and weapons, ammo, magical stuff... for Rhiannon.
Okay, sounds good!
gnomius says:
Oh, sorry, I missed that bit. Well, once again, Jacob always needs people on the ground, so he could have hired Benji for many services: getting info or gossip from the Night Circle, helping him find some artifact in the subway tunnels he knows by heart, etc... I was thinking more about this kind of "mini jobs" instead of a specific mission, but I'm also happy to hear suggestions if anyone has a cool idea.
That works for me!
Apr 24, 2024 6:38 pm
Sorry for the delay in responses on my part, I am slowly recovering, but what did I miss?

I checked my starting debts, and these are the ones:

* Someone tempted your ward away from you and into danger. Ask them what it cost your ward to return to you. They owe you a Debt

* Someone is your go-to when you get into trouble, providing information or muscle to get things done. You owe them 2 Debts

* You are helping someone keep a dangerous secret from powerful members of their Circle. They owe you a Debt.

@gnomius I like the concept that your character is my magical tome provider. I am extremely sorry, but what was your character again? Are you playing the Imp?

@Ysolde I can take the one that you are suggesting. I will smooth things out between your character and the powerful person. It can be a Wizard of a different order, or maybe it is fae creature?

@oopsylon Okay, so Benji is a vampire? Is my character involved in selling you to your enemies? I mean I don't want to start at a bad place with Benji just from the beginning of the game.
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Apr 24, 2024 7:15 pm
Stalker05 says:
... I am slowly recovering ...
Good to hear.
Stalker05 says:
... what did I miss? ...
I will let the other players fill you in on their established and outstanding Debts and such.
Stalker05 says:
... what was your character again? ...
You can check out the character sheets via the 'Characters' menu at the bottom of the page (red bar). Though we can't see yours or Ysolde's since they have not been 'Added to the Library'.
Stalker05 says:
... Are you playing the Imp? ...
Yes, gnomius is playing The Imp, Jacob.
Stalker05 says:
... or maybe it is fae creature? ...
The fae start out unknown, they are early game antagonist and you don't have much dealing with them till later. We have not heard from the fae in about 10 years, and your characters don't yet know that they are making a comeback.
Stalker05 says:
... I will smooth things out between your character and the powerful person. ...
Or maybe Mortalis? Cops/law enforcement (the MET)? Rhiannon did leave a politician's head on the dashboard of a taxi [ref] as a statement, she has learned since then not to be quite so showy [ref].
Stalker05 says:
... selling you to your enemies? I mean I don't want to start at a bad place with Benji ...
The fact that there is a Debt, now owed, means that Benji forgave you the transgression and understands you had good reasons for doing it. You still cost them, so their forgiveness comes with a Debt to be paid later, but this should not affect your starting relationship (unless you both want it to).

If a Debt text really does not work for the players, we can rework it and find some, slightly similar, reason for the Debt.
Apr 25, 2024 1:54 am
Stalker05 says:
@oopsylon Okay, so Benji is a vampire? Is my character involved in selling you to your enemies? I mean I don't want to start at a bad place with Benji just from the beginning of the game.
Perhaps Mark’s obligations to the Hermetic Order of Solomon led to him selling out Benji in some way? For instance, maybe the order briefly allied with some vampire hunters or something like that? It could have even been an accidental betrayal, if you like - maybe Mark provided some hunters with magic or information that ended up being weaponised against a number of vampires that just happened to include Benji?
Apr 25, 2024 10:20 pm
@Stalker05 So, powerful fae, wizard or local authorities? Also, if you want Rhiannon to be Mark’s go to when he needs muscle she seems popular for that.
Apr 26, 2024 12:49 pm
Please check that the Debt Ledge summary looks correct so far.

Also suggest if there are better posts to [ref] link to, in play this will be clearer as there will be a post where things happen and we nail down the Debt instead of this back and forth.

Ignore Alice and Bob, you don't know them...
Apr 26, 2024 1:29 pm
Sorry to throw yet another thing your way @Stalker05 , but your last remaining debt falls to Benji (Someone tempted your ward away from you and into danger. Ask them what it cost your ward to return to you. They owe you a Debt.) and I was wondering if you had any ideas about that? I was thinking that the S3 Vampire Lord whose territory Benji’s harbour is in might have something to do with it. Maybe he wanted some of Josephine’s fae blood for some reason and pressured Benji into helping him get it?

@gnomius I just realized I never answered the question of whether or not employing Benji worked out in your favour! Let’s say it did, for the most part– Benji was determined not to let Jacob down, so he tried his best at all the odd jobs Jacob gave him and usually completed them successfully
Apr 26, 2024 4:30 pm
@Ysolde Okay let's make it the local authorities. Maybe the politician case gave you lot of troubles and you needed to hide. Maybe Mark gave you sanctum and saw potential in you. Later, after seeing what she could do, Mark asked you whether you would work for him as a hired muscle.

@oopsylon This can be a nice way to tie both debts together. Benji was forced to tempt Josephine by the orders of S3 vampire lord. Mark didn't know that the actual culprit was S3, so he sold Benji to the enemies. Now the situation is clear for both of them.

Who would like to take my 3rd debt?
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