PC creation talk

Aug 22, 2024 8:48 pm

I think first we will discuss the custom character sheet here - which version to use, but can talk about anything connected to PC creation.

You should be aware that there are some significant changes between the test version and the final one I have, among them most notable are:
1. For human race. Their second point in final version is stated:

"During character creation, apply +1 to an attribute of your choice (maximum 16, cannot be applied to Luck or Initiative)."

2. 2nd step of PC creation now is stated as:

"Roll d66 for Background. Each entry grants an attribute bonus (max 16), a skill, and an item."

So I will want to check your PCs if you already have created them or lead you through the creation process, step by step - whatever you prefer.

I'm also considering IF and how I should provide you with final rulebook pdf. Still thinking about this.

At start of your character creation you have to choose 1 approach from available:
1. "Concept first" -> so you use all those variant rules in your PC creation:
- Roll 3d6 and allocate as the player wishes.
- Players choose their PC’s skills.
- Players choose their PC’s starting abilities.

2. "Full Old School" -> you roll for everything that is stated in standard PC creation rules. So - among others - Race and Background too! But you choose class.

As bonus for courage - to check how it was done in old days ;) - and having to make PC you rolled, work with our concept and setting you get:
- PCs gain a Unique Feature of their choice at 1st level (no cross-class, and only tier 1), that will have to be confirmed by me(to be not too strong)

Pedrop

Aug 22, 2024 9:56 pm

PC creation talk

Continuing form tavern thread:

GreyWord says:

I think I'm going with something simple this time.

[ +- ] Backstory

A simple human guard with a very strong reason for loyalty (see backstory above). Would be a typical guard if not for 3 reasons:
- Due to his scary outfit he is usually guarding royal family member during the most important/dangerous events
- His has unique for a guard lockpicking skills
- He has no relatives or friends (unless you don't count royal family members who have some strange connection to this dumb and brute, but sincere man and are known to sometimes share their secret problems/worries with him, knowing it's safe with him).

Mechanically Human, Background: Thief, Class: Barbarian.

I like this concept a lot! Simple beginning usually have hight potential of ending truly epic! And character development is one of the most interesting things in function. Barbarian would be always handy to have in group. So are we going with this? If yes, please move to your personal PC creation thread.

Pedrop

Aug 22, 2024 10:11 pm

PC creation talk

Continuing form tavern thread:

Shadowknight says:

It is interesting that you mentioned a Cook, because I have happened to generate a character with the Cook background, who becomes a sorcerer/magic-user (I like sorcerer better, but it's magic user per the RAW). Character concept #2. He is an older character having worked as a royal cook for 28 years or so, but had some encounter with a spirit of the ancient world that gave him a powerful arcane vision. Since then his eyes have been clouded over by rich blue lenses but they do not seem to cloud his vision. He has the spells Sight beyond Sight and Speaker of Tongues. Because he has worked for so long as a chef, he doesn't seem to have much arcane ambitions, but his magical gifts (if they can be called that) seem to be merely thrust upon him. Nevertheless, he sees the importance of keeping a spellbook as it is like arcane formulae for spells and recipes. This character also seems to have a lot of knowledge but most of it is worldly knowledge of animals, wilderness, arcane magic, and general lore, and this character is less likely to take on airs than the bard character I had originally envisioned.

Edit: Oh, and the reason I didn't make the previous character a rogue is because I had rolled dismally low for her Dexterity. Charisma followed by Intelligence were her highest abilities. Of course, we may be recrafting the character; but most of these character concepts are coming out of me "playing" with the character creation system.

I like this concept a lot too! :) Especially its approach to magic, how he get his powers and that he is not "full blown magician from university", but rather some kind of "normal guy" that suddenly get hold on those power.

But you know that even by standard rules:
3. Generate Attributes (...) You may then also swap any two Attribute scores, if desired.
? I'm referring to your claims that your previous PC rolled low Dex and it made him bad for being Rouge.

So you have decided to go with one of those concepts? If yes, please move to your personal PC creation thread and let's continue there.

Pedrop

Aug 22, 2024 10:36 pm

PC creation talk

Avraham says:

@Pedrop, I'm going to play around with the character sheet a bit. For example, turn the attribute modifiers into calculations instead manually entering based on the table or not using checkboxes for entries that may increase often (luck)—I have not found a way to make the total number of checkboxes into a variable. I may have some questions. Like:

Luck starts at 10 + ceil(lvl/2). However, can it increase above this if unused and a long rest is taken? The rules say 1) "Luck returns at a rate of 1 point per Long Res", which contradicts what you have in the box under luck, and also "reflects a character’s accumulated experience dealing with perilous hazards and dangers." Which implies to me that if you can go a week without using your luck, you should have more of it based on "accumulated experience" but I don't know ToA or if we will be using some homebrew rules.

First about the luck - I read it this way and I'm 97% sure it was meant this way:
- "At the start of an adventure, a character’s Luck attribute is equal to 10 + half level (round up)." -> so it means it is your current and MAX for this adventure,
- "Luck returns" - means that it can only return to your maximum, it doesn't mean it can go above it
- "reflects a character’s accumulated experience dealing with perilous hazards and dangers." -> yes, that's why when you level up - your MAX luck increases, but you can't sleep in inn for a few months and suddenly get 15 luck, you "help your luck" by getting experience in adventuring, and this is reflected in your level

So in context of our PC sheet - you only mod max Luck only(?) when you level up, or Halfling has joined your part - as far as I know. So I presumed when that happens you edit only that section of your sheet - by pressing inkwell icon - end edit Luck manually in the code. I like boxes, when value changes often and Luck seams to in this game, but in my opinion it's Max changes very rarely. But we can leave it as input field.

I also tried to incorporate variable as total # of boxes, and haven't find a way to do this:(

Ah... and I will steal your bonus calculation to my version :) As I didn't have time implement it myself.

Pedrop

Aug 22, 2024 11:32 pm

PC creation talk

spinningdice says:

Still interested, concept of Human Artificer Princess. A shy studious child who in light of the coup is now having to put theoretical knowledge to useful application. Quiet, determined and ingenious.

If anyone else would prefer to be an artificer I can side switch the character to a Magic User or even a Rogue.

I don't think anyone else was looking at Artificer. Interesting choice. And I'm very happy that we indeed will have someone from royal family:) Maybe someone else will decide to this too.

So are we going with this? If yes, please move to your personal PC creation thread.

Pedrop

Aug 22, 2024 11:34 pm

PC creation talk

quilltid says:

Still would be interested in playing! The video was very helpful.

From interest check: I was thinking of a halfling bard, along as entertainment for the long nights ahead and support in combat, but has been trained as a spy. Whether they are a spy for our princess or for someone else can be hammered out in the game session zero or character boards. I am also flexible in changing this if it fits better for the group/story.

I was thinking she was assigned as the personal bard of our princess if she joins or whoever our royals are. This was just the cover story as she is actually supposed to be that personal royal's spy. Again, does this royal know, are they supposed to be spying for or against them, can be discussed further. As a halfling, she was perfectly situated to be a fun-loving bard and superior at stealth and appearing non-threatening. She was one of the more adventurous halflings that made her way to the kingdom and worked her way up with her entertaining skills, but was placed in the royal court when her talent for intrigue was discovered and nurtured.

As said before - I like this concept.

So are we going with this? If yes, please move to your personal PC creation thread.

Avraham

Aug 22, 2024 11:54 pm

PC creation talk

Pedrop, thanks for the detailed response. May I trouble you to approve my ToA Test character so that I can actually try the rolls, please? Unless there is another way to test character sheets?

GreyWord

Aug 23, 2024 7:03 am

PC creation talk

Quote:

You may then also swap any two Attribute scores, if desired.

I did miss this one, thanks for pointing it out to me.

P.S. Going "Full Old School" for my PC which will most probably mean change of concept

Avraham

Aug 23, 2024 5:43 pm

PC creation talk

@Pedrop, question about gear slots and the new char sheet. On the one hand, reading page 55 implies that only clothing and armor are exempt. So the tinderbox in the pouch should take up a pack slot. But if that is so, why does step 11 on page 8 separate them? I';m confused.

Avraham

Aug 23, 2024 8:44 pm

PC creation talk

Another question. I think I made a mistake with the language count. The BONUS language is dependent on modifier. So Max should really be 1 + Modifier, 1 at 7–12, and illiterate at 6 or below. Code would be

(Max: [_$=lookupBonus(int,3,6,0,7,12,1,13,14,2,15,16,3,17,18,4,19,20,5,21,22,6,23,30,7)])

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Shadowknight

Aug 24, 2024 1:02 am

PC creation talk

Pedrop says:

Continuing form tavern thread:

Shadowknight says:

It is interesting that you mentioned a Cook, because I have happened to generate a character with the Cook background, who becomes a sorcerer/magic-user (I like sorcerer better, but it's magic user per the RAW). Character concept #2. He is an older character having worked as a royal cook for 28 years or so, but had some encounter with a spirit of the ancient world that gave him a powerful arcane vision. Since then his eyes have been clouded over by rich blue lenses but they do not seem to cloud his vision. He has the spells Sight beyond Sight and Speaker of Tongues. Because he has worked for so long as a chef, he doesn't seem to have much arcane ambitions, but his magical gifts (if they can be called that) seem to be merely thrust upon him. Nevertheless, he sees the importance of keeping a spellbook as it is like arcane formulae for spells and recipes. This character also seems to have a lot of knowledge but most of it is worldly knowledge of animals, wilderness, arcane magic, and general lore, and this character is less likely to take on airs than the bard character I had originally envisioned.

Edit: Oh, and the reason I didn't make the previous character a rogue is because I had rolled dismally low for her Dexterity. Charisma followed by Intelligence were her highest abilities. Of course, we may be recrafting the character; but most of these character concepts are coming out of me "playing" with the character creation system.

I like this concept a lot too! :) Especially its approach to magic, how he get his powers and that he is not "full blown magician from university", but rather some kind of "normal guy" that suddenly get hold on those power.

But you know that even by standard rules:
3. Generate Attributes (...) You may then also swap any two Attribute scores, if desired.
? I'm referring to your claims that your previous PC rolled low Dex and it made him bad for being Rouge.

So you have decided to go with one of those concepts? If yes, please move to your personal PC creation thread and let's continue there.

We'll go with the sorcerer/magic user concept then. My character concept for Orisia Linston, infamous dwarven merchant and charismatic beauty was too locked in to go through much modification. (Again, primarily from random die rolls.)

Pedrop

Aug 27, 2024 8:38 am

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Avraham says:

@Pedrop, question about gear slots and the new char sheet. On the one hand, reading page 55 implies that only clothing and armor are exempt. So the tinderbox in the pouch should take up a pack slot. But if that is so, why does step 11 on page 8 separate them? I';m confused.

I see this way: Pouch is for so called "tiny items" - those that are so small that they can fit in pouch, so they don't use slot space. Of course we will be reasonable with this, but with what you have in your pouch now - don't count as using slot.

Avraham says:

Another question. I think I made a mistake with the language count. The BONUS language is dependent on modifier. So Max should really be 1 + Modifier, 1 at 7–12, and illiterate at 6 or below. Code would be

(Max: [_$=lookupBonus(int,3,6,0,7,12,1,13,14,2,15,16,3,17,18,4,19,20,5,21,22,6,23,30,7)])

.

I understand this the same way. And yours and 2 other people sheets seams to calculate this correctly ? To be precise: if you have +1 Int mod, you know another languge besides Common(the one used officially in kingdom), total of 2.

Avraham

Aug 30, 2024 12:55 am

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Switching to discussing bonds; how random do you want it to be, @Pedrop? I have a half-fleshed out backstory for Bartholomew. I see three possible progressions:

1) Expand it fully and allow you to manually decide to whom I am bonded and why.
2) Expand it fully, roll for bonds, and shoehorn those bonds into my backstory.
3) Let you roll bonds first, tell me, and I will develop the backstory based on those bonds.

Thoughts?

Pedrop

Aug 30, 2024 8:51 am

PC creation talk

I was just going to start write the post about bonds. My idea from the top view was that:
- those that wanted Old School approach (I think 2 players wanted that, I will check it in the moment) will have their bond decided by die roll, and will have to adjust it to back story and game concept(royal court members)
- the rest (Conept First choice) can choose to talk the bounds between them or roll for inspiration,

Will write the whole procedure soon.

Pedrop

Aug 30, 2024 9:47 am

PC creation talk

SO we work on party bonds now. I see this that way:
- as Shadowknight and GreyWord have chosen Old School way - I will roll for their bonds first,
- in the matter of fact both of them had rolled for bounds in their corresponding PC's creation threads, but to not to have to choose one of their rolls, I'm rolling for this again,
-the second bonds roll will be for connecting Sadur or Kimbek to one other PC that have chosen Concept First,
-the rest can talk their bonds over and shape them the way they like + someone have to take the rolled Bound to Sadur or Kimbek,
- if any one wants, he or she can roll for Bonds - for inspiration of course.
- as I assume that Bonds are between players I don't think I have to accept them or something like that. It's "RP contract" between both of you(and your PC). I will only try to suggest some flavor changes if I will have any ideas for that, but thats for later.

OOC:

Rolling... pending. Will edit this post.

So the procedure is this:
1. Share your back story with others at least in the areas that can be useful for making bonds (maybe you want to keep some secrets for later :) ? ).

2. Sadur - Kimbek -> have very interesting result to incorporate in setting and their PCs: "Pit Fighters from the same (or respected rival) faction" -> please describe it to me and others. I wouldn't necessary read that you had to "fight in pits" more as the kind of environment the fights have took place. But the choice is yours.

3. Belladonna Lightfoot - Shallan - Brother Bartholomew - please talk over and establish Bounds between you. Of course it can be Shallan - Brother Bartholomew - Belladonna Lightfoot or other combination.

4. Please choose who would be Bonded by second roll result: "Smuggling job" with Sadur or Kimbek from Concept players.

And... I think thats it, we will have a nice party with PCs with backstories and very interesting bounds.

OOC:

Ok, post finished.

Rolls

Bound: Sadur - Kimbek - (d6, d6)

d6 : (2) = 2

d6 : (4) = 4

Bound: Sadur - Concept PC or Kimbek - Concept PC - (d6, d6)

d6 : (2) = 2

d6 : (6) = 6

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Name	Zean	Race	Human	background	Pirate	Sex:	Male
Class	Magic user	Level:	1	XP:	0/10	Age:	61

HP per level: 1	Max HP:	Cur HP:	12 /
AC Bonus: 1:	AC:
Class Attack Bonus:	0
Rerolls:
Rescue:
DDM:	1
Favour:
Death save mod: 0	Death Save:

Status Summary
Health: /	AC:
Rerolls:	Rescue:
Cur DDM:	DDM die:	Magic Item Die: 20
Favour:
Can: Minor Exploit:	Major Exploit:

Name	Range	+Hit	Damage	Nat 19	Crit Damage	Properties
Shortsword	Melee		1d6	1d12		+2 Initiative; Nat 19: Blade trauma OR Disarm
Long bow	V. Far		1d8	1d12		Two handed. One item slot bow, one slot quiver Ammo End Chance:

Battle Gear: /	Pack gear: /
Shortsword	Bedroll
Long bow	Rations: 5
Torch	Yellow lotus: 1
	Spellbook

Pouch: Tinderbox	Worn: Cloak, Leather armor

Attribute	Value	Attribute Mod	Great Success	Terrible Failure	Skilled Check?	Other Mod	Check
Str	8					0
Dex	10					0
Con	11					0
Int	18					0
Per	9					0
Will	9					0
Cha	10					0
Initiative					0	0

Health: 12 / 12	AC: 11
Rerolls: 2	Rescue: 0
DMM: 1	Favour:0
Can: Minor Exploit:	Mayor Exploit:

Attribute	Skilled Check?	Attribute <Success, GS, TF>	Check
	Str <, , >
	Dex <, , >
	Con <, , >
	Int <, , >
	Per <, , >
	Will <, , >
	Cha <, , >
	Initiative <, , >

Type <Success>	Roll
General Luck <>
Str <>
Dex <>
Con <>
Int <>
Per <>
Will <>
Cha <>
Initiative <>

Att <GS,TF>	Att Mod	Situation Mod	Check	Skilled Check
Str 8 <, >		0	,d20	,d20

Dex 10 <, >		0	,d20	,d20

Con 11 <, >		0	,d20	,d20

Int 18 <, >		0	,d20	,d20

Per 9 <, >		0	,d20	,d20

Will 9 <, >		0	,d20	,d20

Cha 10 <, >		0	,d20	,d20

Init <, >		0	,d20

HP per level: 1	HP:	12 /
AC Bonus: 1	AC:
Class Attack Bonus:	0
Rerolls:
Rescue avbl:
DDM: 1	DDM die:	Magic Item Die: 20
Favour:
Death save mod: 0	Death Save:

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Luck	,d20	,d20	,d20	,d20	,d20	,d20	,d20	,d20

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