Talking About the Weather (OOC)

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Oct 15, 2024 11:23 am
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As always, before we can even think about rolling Moves, we need to see in the fiction what you are doing so we can know how to adjudicate any Moves. So we need to see enough to get an idea and to trigger the Move. We might have enough already, though.
Yes, my objective was to Figure Him Out to try to get what he needs. But as I said, it can be a long conversation before the fiction brings us there, that's why I was asking if we wan to play this all the way.
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Have you ever met her before this party?
I don't think so, given that Jacob prefers to fly under the radar most of the times. I will say that Jacob has only interacted with some of their servants, who occasionally bought something for their mistress.
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Of course, there is always Jacob and 'Hali' who appear to fit that discretion. If @gnomius is open to having an interruption to their conversation Emma can wander over and join their group.
Yep, Emma is more than welcome to interrupt! :)
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(though I assume Jacob is using his real name, since he did not know before getting here that being identified as a demon is a problem, and making the invite look legit is easier if that is official)
He is, yes.
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Oct 15, 2024 11:51 am
gnomius says:
... it can be a long conversation before the fiction brings us there, that's why I was asking if we wan to play this all the way. ...
We can roll the Move and let that dictate how much conversation we get to have. This Move's trigger is softer than most.
gnomius says:
... Jacob has only interacted with some of their servants, who occasionally bought something for their mistress. ...
That brings lots of interesting ideas... for later. :)
gnomius says:
... Yep, Emma is more than welcome to interrupt! :) ...
Cool. If things 'go wrong' in just the right way we could get Emma caught up in whatever happens between Jacob and Crowley.
Oct 15, 2024 7:27 pm
Delirium says:
(in RP) ... made her way toward a couple standing nearby; the handsome man in a tailored business suit, and the woman in a stunning black dress that was almost as provocative as Emma’s. ...
Just so we are sure... who are these two people?
Oct 15, 2024 7:38 pm
Jacob and the 'woman' he's talking to.
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Oct 15, 2024 7:43 pm
Just making sure. :)
Oct 17, 2024 12:42 pm
oopsylon says:
(OOC in RP) ... May I roll Put a Name to a Face to see if/how Benji knows Shelyna?
By all means. She is in the Power Circle.

Even if you Miss and decide you don't 'know' her, you can still have seen her with your friend, Mark, and know that much.
Oct 17, 2024 12:50 pm
gnomius says:
(in RP) ... quickly engage in a game of bluff, each attempting to extract more information from the other without disclosing too much. ...

"... it's just the two of us tonight, so how about we set aside our differences for one day and collaborate to make the most of this party?" ...
Awesome and perfect. So easy to work with.
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) ...  • What's the most valuable thing you'd offer for sale? ...
Given the answers in the RP [ref], which we can expand on as we play, or here if you have OOC questions, or just given your needs and Crowley's abilities: You tell me: What does Crowley have that's valuable to you? Is this an enticement to help him with his heist, or is the vault and the heist and the reward you could get from it enough?
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) ... • What pressing need do you have that I might be able to address? ...
You have skill in finding stuff, this is more than just your Let It Out Ability '• sniff out a secret stash, even when expertly concealed or hidden', it is part of who you are, so you don't need to roll Let It Out every time you do something like that, you can roleplay it and possibly get sufficient answers (saving a roll for the end if you need to force the win:).

These special skill are what Crowley needs you for. You don't need to agree or go along with his dangerous plan.
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) ... • What's your character hoping to get from this party? ...
He is here because this is his one opportunity to get into this castle and near that vault. He is trying to make it sound casual, but there is something very important to him in there.

If you don't help, he is still likely to go for the vault himself, with much lower likelihood of success... and his failure is likely to alert them to the presence of demons and to put you at risk. He has maneuvered this quite well.
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) ... and he gets to ask me one. ...
His question would probably be along the lines of '• What's your character hoping to get from this party?', why are you here? But we can see that answered as we play. These question are not asked of each other, the are learned though observation, so you should let that slip at some point.
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) ... Marking Wild circle too. ...
It is confusing, not all Moves that roll with a Circle are 'Circle Moves' and not all of them Mark the Circle. :(

Only the Moves listed in the Advancement note count. Figure Someone Out is not one of them.
Oct 17, 2024 2:39 pm
Delirium says:
(in RP) ... If Lady Halifax insists on explicitly asking for a favor in return, it would only cast her as boorish and crude ...
We will see if 'she' actually ends up helping you, in which case, no matter what Emma thinks, you will owe her a Debt. Remember, though, that all Debts are commensurate with how they were incurred (hence we track them specifically and not just in number, and we call on a particular one when we Call in that Debt) so whatever she ask for in return would be equal(ish) to "remember when I helped you at that party, you owe me" and she can not ask for significantly more than that in return... if she ends up saving your life from predators... well then you Owe her big-time. :)

I will leave her response till after we see what Jacob does and whether Benji spots you (hard to miss... if we are 'at the same time') and joins your group.
Oct 18, 2024 2:49 am
vagueGM says:
By all means. She is in the Power Circle.

Even if you Miss and decide you don't 'know' her, you can still have seen her with your friend, Mark, and know that much.
Great! I rolled a 10! In this circumstance, I think I'd like to learn something 'interesting and useful'
vagueGM says:
... and whether Benji spots you (hard to miss... if we are 'at the same time') and joins your group.
Would you like me to? I was going to let Jacob and Emma get to interact a bit more before I interrupted in any way but I can have Benji notice them now if you think that would be better
Oct 18, 2024 4:46 am
oopsylon says:
... I rolled a 10! ...
Great! Even with your -1! :)

Don't forget to Mark Power.
oopsylon says:
... In this circumstance, I think I'd like to learn something 'interesting and useful' ...
Cool.

Do you have anything you want to add to her character? It could be merely be something you think would be interesting, or something useful for Benji to know; or something significant to the world or the situation at hand. If not, I can create some details.
oopsylon says:
vagueGM says:
... and whether Benji ... joins your group.
Would you like me to? ...
Me? Not at all. But you are welcome to, if you want to.
oopsylon says:
... I was going to let Jacob and Emma get to interact a bit ...
Let's do that. We can't predict the timing, but you are welcome to strike up a quick scene with someone else in the meantime, or wait.
Oct 18, 2024 7:29 pm
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You tell me: What does Crowley have that's valuable to you? Is this an enticement to help him with his heist, or is the vault and the heist and the reward you could get from it enough?
On top of the vault and its potential treasures, information is the most precious thing Jacob is looking for. Whatever fits the story best: the artifact found by the riverbed? That damned Byron book? The role of the Surveyors?
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It is confusing, not all Moves that roll with a Circle are 'Circle Moves' and not all of them Mark the Circle. :(

Only the Moves listed in the Advancement note count. Figure Someone Out is not one of them.
Ouch, sorry... Unmarked.
Oct 18, 2024 9:52 pm
vagueGM says:
Do you have anything you want to add to her character? It could be merely be something you think would be interesting, or something useful for Benji to know; or something significant to the world or the situation at hand. If not, I can create some details.
Benji is looking for someone who might know something about the artifact Lizabeth found so maybe something ‘useful’ could be that Benji remembers Mark mentioning that Shelyna is interested in/has expertise relating to magical artifacts or something like that?
Oct 19, 2024 6:42 pm
gnomius says:
... information is the most precious thing ...
You and Crowley are agreed on that. It turns out (or will turn out if you find it) that the vault is an information store. I have no idea what form it takes, so we can learn that together.
gnomius says:
... the artifact found by the riverbed? That damned Byron book? ...
Those seem like an unlikely long-shot given how they are either only important to you or very recent. But there is always a chance you might be able to learn something useful.
gnomius says:
... The role of the Surveyors? ...
I am sure there will be just that sort of information.
Oct 19, 2024 6:46 pm
oopsylon says:
... could be that Benji remembers Mark mentioning that Shelyna is interested in/has expertise relating to magical artifacts or something like that?
That seems obvious enough that we can give you that for free.

Do you want to know something that gives you some leverage you can use to get her to help you? What?

On the other hand: Mark Owes you a Debt. With him 'missing', it sometime falls to one's superiors to honour such Debts. Do you want to try Cash In that Debt to get her assistance with this? By the Put a Name to a Face Move, you could just say she Owes you, but that means we need to see how and why and we have history. It seems more interesting, from a story perspective, for you to know enough to be able to try leverage that Debt out of her (once she mentions that Mark had to leave in a hurry 'for Faction reasons'), it would not be guaranteed that she is liable for the Debt, but since Josephine was involved (even if in a negative way) she probably knows about it, and you could persuade (possibly via Persuade an NPC) her to help you.

Just spitballing here. :)
Oct 21, 2024 7:33 am
vagueGM says:
Do you want to know something that gives you some leverage you can use to get her to help you? What?
Hmm okay maybe it could be that Shelyna knows or is related to Lizabeth in some way so Benji could leverage that connection to get Shelyna’s help?
Oct 21, 2024 7:57 am
oopsylon says:
vagueGM says:
Do you want to know something that gives you some leverage you can use to get her to help you? What?
Hmm okay maybe it could be that Shelyna knows or is related to Lizabeth in some way so Benji could leverage that connection to get Shelyna’s help?
That seems massively unlikely. She is one of the most power people in London (Status 3) while Lizabeth seems to have nearly no position and can easily be pushed around. There did not seem to be anyone else who cared to come to her aid for the whole day she was in jail.

If you want establish this relationship as truth, then Shelyna might go to some lengths to avoid having you mention it to anyone... that could get her to 'help' you, to get you off her back, but may cost you down the line when she remembers your 'blackmail'.

Also remember that, if she was not aware (or already involved), making this choice will bring her in as another party interested in the item. I am not saying she would not become involved anyway, just that you are making that a reality from this point forward. If you involve people in your affairs, then they are involved in your affairs.

You can always try to downplay the importance ("Just gathering information out of academic interest, I assure you"). But making her into a relative could make that harder. Keeping it as something like: "Normally Mark would have helped me with this, but he is not available... anything you can do would be appreciated" type level might be more 'casual'. But, I am not sure you could get an expert on magical artifacts to tell you anything useful about this one without also getting them interested in it. Maybe the Debt you can Cash In is that she stays out of things for a while?

Always remember the long-reaching, political ramifications of your choices. The more overt you are in your approach the more attention you attract and the more immediate the reaction.

I am not trying to put you off, just making sure you 'look before you leap'. :)
Oct 21, 2024 11:38 am
vagueGM says:
That seems massively unlikely. She is one of the most power people in London (Status 3) while Lizabeth seems to have nearly no position and can easily be pushed around.
Alright, I’m happy to go with something else if you don’t think that’s plausible. Do you have any suggestions?
Oct 22, 2024 7:49 pm
oopsylon says:
... Alright, I’m happy to go with something else if you don’t think that’s plausible. Do you have any suggestions?
It's quite plausible, just sensitive. Let's go with the a family connection.
Oct 24, 2024 3:35 pm
Sorry, unexpected work peak this week, and that will probably last until tomorrow.
Oct 24, 2024 7:05 pm
gnomius says:
Sorry, unexpected work peak this week, and that will probably last until tomorrow.
No worries. Thanks for letting us know.

It should be easy enough for us to move on from that conversation, and you can back-fill anything you may have said.
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