After Arundel (OOC)

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Jan 21, 2025 10:00 am
That is a very hard one for me to answer. Can we put it on hold for a bit? There are a couple of things Emma wants to do before the evening as it is; hit the streets looking for leads about Eliot, and calling Benji.
Jan 21, 2025 10:14 am
We will come up with something when we have to, no need to worry about it before then.
Jan 21, 2025 10:17 am
Great!
Anything more for this scene, or can Emma start making some calls?
Jan 22, 2025 5:15 am
@vagueGM Since Benji isn’t in a hurry to meet with Shelyna [ref], perhaps we could catch Benji up with Emma in the timeline (I think Emma is a day ahead of Benji at the moment, yes?) by skipping ahead to the next day. We could say that, in the meantime, Benji has spoken to Lizabeth and arranged a meeting between her and Amira?
Jan 22, 2025 5:43 am
oopsylon says:
... perhaps we could catch Benji up with Emma in the timeline (I think Emma is a day ahead of Benji at the moment, yes?) by skipping ahead to the next day. We could say that, in the meantime, Benji has spoken to Lizabeth and arranged a meeting between her and Amira?
Benji is a few hours ahead of Emma. Benji spent the night on the Arundel train station while Emma came home directly.

Emma's brunch probably started around the time Benji was finishing feeding Lizabeth and himself and going into his closet. A lot of parallels going on, with more than just the eating. Both are protecting wayward waifs in their home... well, I suppose only the one parallel and breakfast.

Would Benji be answering his phone while crashed in his closet, or does Lizabeth answer Emma's call [OOC ref]?

Do we want to give Benji some more time to sleep? Should Emma Hit the Street on her own and then we join you guys up?

Do you want to get Emma involved in your Amira meeting? Do you make them come to your Haven and into your Web?
Jan 22, 2025 5:50 am
Emma is going to lay down for a couple of hours after coming back home from brunch, because she's exhausted and wants to be sharp when she meets Henry's contacts sometime in the evening (assuming it will happen). Maybe we can synch the timelines and have Emma and Benji meet during the afternoon?

Also, can I roll to 'figure someone out' for Sarah right now, or maybe Persuade to get her talking?
Jan 22, 2025 5:55 am
Delirium says:
... Emma is going to lay down for a couple of hours ... Maybe we can synch the timelines ...
Excellent. We can resume when you both wake.

What do you do with Sarah when you sleep? Let her finish cleaning or encourage her to sleep as well?
Delirium says:
... Also, can I roll to 'figure someone out' for Sarah right now ...
Yeah, you can roll now, but the answers may still take time.
Delirium says:
... or maybe Persuade to get her talking? ...
Figuring her Out should be fairly innocuous, with low stakes consequences, but Persuading her to talk carries much higher risks of implosion. Maybe, if the Figure answers lead you there you can try to Persuade?
Jan 22, 2025 6:39 am
Pff. Yet another failure at 'Figure Someone Out' with her. No luck when it comes to Sarah.
Jan 22, 2025 6:44 am
Ya. I don't think have her being completely inscrutable is fun, so we will reveal 'answers' anyway, you just won't like them.
Jan 22, 2025 6:49 am
vagueGM says:
Benji is a few hours ahead of Emma.
Oh! Sorry, my bad! I thought she spent the day with her in-laws after the party and then the brunch with Henry was the following day.
vagueGM says:
Would Benji be answering his phone while crashed in his closet, or does Lizabeth answer Emma's call [OOC ref]?
If Emma calls while he’s still asleep, let’s say Lizabeth answers it so that Emma can meet Lizabeth :)
vagueGM says:
Do you want to get Emma involved in your Amira meeting? Do you make them come to your Haven and into your Web?
Sure! I’m happy for Emma to be involved if Delirium wants her to be

I don’t think Benji would invite them to his Haven but I don’t think he has to do that in order for them to enter his Web necessarily.
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"When someone comes to you to ask for a favor, seek advice, bargain for info, or threaten your interests, they enter your web and owe you a Debt… even if you don't offer them anything in return."
So I think that means they would enter his web if they come to him for help, advice, or a favour (which I don’t think they’ve done… he reached out to them, not the other way around). I think possibly Emma would be about to enter his Web if she is going to call him up for advice or a favour though. He’s also trying to get Shelyna in his Web by waiting for her to come to him to ‘bargain for info’ about the lamp situation.
Jan 22, 2025 6:56 am
Emma is more likely to text Benji then call him, and she will enter his web, because she is calling specifically to ask for advice, and perhaps a favor.
Jan 22, 2025 7:10 am
oopsylon says:
... I thought she spent the day with her in-laws after the party and then the brunch with Henry was the following day. ...
You are right. I lost a whole day! How shall we ever get it back!? :)

So, yes. Whenever Emma is ready we can get the characters together 'tomorrow'.

Jacob also lost a day, he is back 'tomorrow night/morning' (24 hours after he teleported away, so, maybe these portals take 12 hours?). Did you do anything about him being missing? We can flash-back to that when we know what @gnomius' picks are about the End Move. Emma wanted to hear you play, and you might need to play for the Horse and Byron to finish Jacob's Scheme, so maybe she can be there for that, too?
oopsylon says:
... let’s say Lizabeth answers it so that Emma can meet Lizabeth ...
We can still do this 'tomorrow'. The characters can, then, work out what they are doing.
oopsylon says:
... I don’t think he has to do that in order for them to enter his Web necessarily. ...
No, you're right. It is one of the more straight-forward ways, else we need to work out if Amira is 'coming to you to ask for a favor, seek advice, bargain for info'. This situation does sorta fit that criteria.

We can leave the Haven for if we need a safe place to do it, or something. Are you trying to keep it more secret?
oopsylon says:
... he reached out to them ...
I don't think it matters who phones whom. You reached out to them because they asked you to keep them informed, you are doing it as a favor to them. We can see how it goes, but I think it might end up counting. Let's use the Playbook features.
oopsylon says:
... Emma would be about to enter his Web if she is going to call him up for advice or a favour though ...
Agreed. It did not count before since you were doing Elliot the favour of babysitting her.
oopsylon says:
... trying to get Shelyna in his Web by waiting for her to come to him ...
Fair enough. Again, though, it does not matter if you call her back, we would still need to work out the terms, no matter what. So far this might be a bit too 'mutual', but letting her dangled a bit and making her try harder to contact you does sway it in your favour.
Jan 22, 2025 7:11 am
Delirium says:
Emma is more likely to text Benji then call him ...
Yeah, true. So we skip that.

We can easily find other ways to introduce Lizabeth and Emma if we want that to happen.
Jan 22, 2025 10:20 am
vagueGM says:
You are right. I lost a whole day! How shall we ever get it back!? :)

So, yes. Whenever Emma is ready we can get the characters together 'tomorrow'.
Okay, great! @Delirium, where would Emma like to meet up? (I figure its easier to sort out the details here than to have future-Benji respond in the RP thread :P)
vagueGM says:
Did you do anything about him being missing? We can flash-back to that when we know what @gnomius' picks are about the End Move. Emma wanted to hear you play, and you might need to play for the Horse and Byron to finish Jacob's Scheme, so maybe she can be there for that, too?
I do think Benji would be very worried about Jacob being missing. At some point, he would probably go check on Jacob’s store to see if Jacob ever made it home from Arundel. Maybe Jacob could have left a note or something behind there to let Benji know he’s okay but that he’ll be gone for a while (maybe he asks Benji to wrap up his scheme for him in the note).

I think we should leave the stuff with Byron and the Horse until we’ve resolved Jacob’s exit because I don’t think it makes a lot of sense for Benji to go resolve the scheme on his own unless he knows Jacob isn’t coming back anytime soon.
vagueGM says:
We can leave the Haven for if we need a safe place to do it, or something. Are you trying to keep it more secret?
Sort of. As I understand it, the Haven is meant to be very secure. I don’t think it makes sense for Benji to have a ton of actual security measures in place, so I think a big part of the security of Benji’s Haven is its secrecy. He definitely trusts Lizabeth enough to invite her into his Haven, if need be, but he’s not completely sure about Amira and the Night Sisters yet.
vagueGM says:
...I don't think it matters who phones whom. You reached out to them because they asked you to keep them informed, you are doing it as a favor to them. We can see how it goes, but I think it might end up counting. Let's use the Playbook features....

...Fair enough. Again, though, it does not matter if you call her back, we would still need to work out the terms, no matter what. So far this might be a bit too 'mutual', but letting her dangled a bit and making her try harder to contact you does sway it in your favour...
Ohh! Okay, gotcha. The fact that Benji does not actually have to give the person what they asked for, but that it is the mere act of asking for a favour/advice/information that incurs the debt and traps them in the Web, made me think that "coming to him" or them being the one to approach him was an important part of the equation, I suppose.
Jan 22, 2025 10:59 am
oopsylon says:
... I figure its easier to sort out the details here than to have future-Benji respond in the RP thread ...
We can also skip the 'response' post and just be where you arranged to meet. Whatever works.
oopsylon says:
... Maybe Jacob could have left a note ...
That wouldn't have happened yet in your time, but we can look at that 'tomorrow'. Maybe you checked today and found he was not home, but we can deal with that when we resolve things.
oopsylon says:
... maybe he asks Benji to wrap up his scheme for him in the note ...
Sure. Would a 'note' be more likely than a message on your phone? We can assume you use whatever communications make the most sense.

Can you get into his place?
oopsylon says:
... we should leave the stuff with Byron and the Horse until we’ve resolved Jacob’s exit ...
Yes. Let's see what gnomius proposes. Do you have a preference as to which of the Payouts you would want for Benji?

Many, like the 'investment' and 'problem' options, don't apply since they are part of the Establishment feature.
The 'After 4+ payouts:' options are probably not appropriate, but we can talk about it if you really have your eye on one of them.
I am not sure an 'arsenal' makes much sense for Benji or the story, but gaining unexpected 'Fiendish Underlings' seems like an obvious result which may surprise you and complicate your life.
The simplest —and least interesting— is '+1 to a Circle'. That is something you can get anyway, so less unique.
oopsylon says:
... The fact that Benji does not actually have to give the person what they asked ... made me think that "coming to him" or them being the one to approach him was an important part of the equation ...
Amira asked you to help her get information from Lizabeth. Your calling her back is part of that, so this triggers that whole business. Her asking while at the house probably did not since she did not come to you and also did not actually believe you would follow through. Now that you have established yourself as reliable there is a reason for people to 'come to you', your public speech last night also sets you up as someone to go to.

With Shelyna: this is less clear. You approached her and are asking for information about the artifact. The fact that she calls to make arrangements to meet does not mean she is asking for anything from you, her asking for something in return for what she gives you also does not count, that is Cashing in a Debt, not coming to you for help.

The logistics of the situation are less important than the intent behind what is happening. Let's focus less on the 'coming to you' and more on the 'to ask for a favor, seek advice, bargain for info, or threaten your interests'.

Add Amira to your Web since she asked you to arrange a meet with Lizabeth. We could have spoke about your Web after the first meeting, but did not think about it and she is in it now anyway, so same result. Let's remember it for next time.
Jan 22, 2025 11:31 am
@oopsylon - Emma would prefer to meet somewhere they can talk away from prying eyes. She can't invite him to her apartment, because Sarah will freak out. It's still raining outside, so it rules out a public park. So unless Benji invites her over to his place, she will suggest to pick him up in her car and drive around the block for a bit.
Jan 22, 2025 11:33 am
Delirium says:
... She can't invite him to her apartment, because Sarah will freak out. ...
One of the consequences of your recent Miss is that Sarah may well 'freak out' as well if you try to leave her alone. :)
Jan 22, 2025 11:41 am
Delirium says:
@oopsylon - Emma would prefer to meet somewhere they can talk away from prying eyes. She can't invite him to her apartment, because Sarah will freak out. It's still raining outside, so it rules out a public park. So unless Benji invites her over to his place, she will suggest to pick him up in her car and drive around the block for a bit.
No worries! Benji will invite her over to his place then :)
Jan 22, 2025 11:44 am
That WILL be bad, because Emma is out most of the day and can't stay and babysit her :(
Jan 22, 2025 11:46 am
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No worries! Benji will invite her over to his place then :)
That sounds great. Do you want to set up the scene? How his home looks like?
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