(OOC) General Discussion

A place to discuss various topics.

Two posts in the main/story game thread already and we're off to the races! Or racing off a cliff, it is Midnight we're talking about, time will tell? ;)

Nice intro, sets the mood, intriguing NPCs, and lots of flavorful description (even if it's pretty dreary and putrid...but hey, that's par for Midnight). I hope Wexley Thorn is well-versed in Knowledge Arcana cuz' he may be our only one...



EDIT: @Hero, I like how you gave each NPC character a different color font and bolded text when they speak. It really draws attention to and distinguishes their dialogue.

@everyone: Shall we do that with our PCs? I picked a Salmon color for Petra because it shows up nicely on whatever dark mode the forum is set on for me, and it slightly resembles part of her outfit in the avatar pic I just managed to upload.

Perhaps.

Waiting for everyone to get fully online, off work and home alone today, so I threw in a bonus post. To whoever can see it, I added a Player Notes page. I'm not sure how it works exactly, I may need to do more on my end to make it work, but you should be able to see it (and edit it?) as an easy repository of info as the campaign goes along. Just let me know if you can see it (or my GM) one.

Sorry, I cannot see this Player Notes page, only your 'lock icon' Campaign Docs one. I even tried refreshing the site.

Once available, I will probably 'take notes' on who we met and various gear we came across and so forth. I am naturally nerdy that way and take notes for my tabletop group.

Sorry, should've been more specific, you should see it below the field that you would draft your forum posts. Directly below the rolls functions.

I'll post in a bit. I'm having trouble getting a minute that isn't work right now.

Okay, I saw it in the actual game forum. I had to click the little box next to my Character's name that had 'Player notes' on it.

It's very thorough and handy, saves time. So...we all will see the same notes no matter who edits it, right?

That's the idea, or the hope, I should say. If you can edit it, it should reflect for everyone else since it's linked to a sheet in my library. I can update it, I was hoping you guys could add your own notes as needed though.

I'm going to laugh so hard if one of us puts in a note like "this NPC was so sus" and another writes "great finally meeting a fellow [what I am], totally trustworthy!"


EDIT: But please understand this is not a flaw in the system if something like it happens. It's about what cues people think they see.

Ha! :)
Yes, very cool.

Itami should be ready to go soon. New post should be up in the morning for all who post tonight. Waiting to move the scene forward for all our players now that we have anyone. If it takes too long we'll write them in somehow down the line.

@WanderOne sorry, should've been more clear. You can do both Perception and Sense motive.

Seelah sensed the heck out of that motive lol. Too bad it wasn’t a combat post.

Yea, wasn't going to reveal that much about the masked stranger, but Nat 20 is Nat 20.

Just to Double check.
Do you want me to be with the party now?
I have no problem if they come across me (and maybe my wogren) while doing the travel.
I am ok with waiting.

That was the goal. But you can come in later if that's what you want. I have an idea to bring you and Itami in if this cellar scene escalates to combat.

That works for me.

I am picturing my dude sort of like Ulfr from Twilight of the Gods.
Beastly in nature. Doesn't talk much but sniffs around and protects the others.
Doesn't walk with the group but stays along the edge of the woods or scouts ahead at times.
Has no problem pouncing into combat.

You're aware Greemology is more or less already playing that character?

This is going to sound really dumb since he's apparently literally named Ulfr... but what is Twilight of the God's? Isn't that just the translation of Ragnarök?

Animated show on Netflix. Haven't seen all of it, didn't strike my fancy. But they've been doing well with their animated shows lately.

Lol he's a big viking werewolf. I mean... Úlfr means wolf, so that tracks.

It is a good show.
I liked a lot of concepts for a dnd campaign.



I can adjust things how needed to fit better. Let me ponder.

If combat starts, anyone have an issue with me rolling initiative for everyone?

No issue.

I am ok with that.
Roll away!

Yes you should roll Initiative for efficiency. Am still hoping it will not come to that if we can use Diplomacy instead?

I made a Diplomacy roll, got a 19, and if we are using PF1E rules then anyone can try to add +2 to my result by rolling Diplomacy 10 or better?

I hope it's okay that I rolled first AND I didn't mention OOC what my idea was? We just started playing and I am still learning how much players want to discuss first, or whether we rather just react to each other/the PCs and keep things moving?

Diplo for me was +7 for being a Class Skill I put the full 3 ranks into so it seemed worth a try? Plus my character is a pacifistic healer by nature, more likely to offer to help and be on the same side than to accept fighting as a first or only option.

Aid another works as in PF1E.

I'm easy, just reacting you y'all. @Greemology was the one who thought it was a bright idea to call out the NPC who's holding the strings, lol!

What do you want? He has an int of 8 lol.

Hey, that's fair, I always try to play the character, not the game. Respect.

Can I come down the stairs with a few mugs of Ale, soup, or something?
Completely oblivious to everything that was going on down here.

You and @Itami will arrive to the Lantern together once he Rogers up. Late arrivals. He's named his character now, so it won't be long.

I have the scene in my head ready to go, it'll be fun. 😈

You guys better bring it. I think I’m all out of 20’s. :)

Just to clarify Itami and I are the 2 man guarding the trapped door?
Or We are just entering the room seeing the orc and 2 man.

Second option. You just made it to The Thirsty Lantern. The first scene has been ongoing as you made your way in.

Perfect Thank you.

Do we know about the trapdoor and the meeting happening?
We were invited but needed to take care of something first?

You don't know about the trap door explicitly, but it'd be common practice not to have the meeting out in the open.

You were indeed invited and the passphrase was given to you earlier. You know about the rest of the party and that they should be here already. Details as to what's happened up to now though you do not.

What slowed you down is up to you guys, left it vague on purpose.

FYI, I tried to edit the NPC notes to see what would happen.

I can't add any new text. It's fine though if it's just the GM keeping notes, the basics are all there.

Lame, was hoping that would work.

Gonna fire a post or two off this morning and then I'll be at reduced capacity for the next few days. Taking my kids to The Wolf Lodge for their birthday (that was not a mistake, they're twins). Will still drop in, respond to PMs/questions, make minor posts to move things along, but large posts will be difficult from my phone. Which honestly all this works out fairly well since we'll be moving into combat/initiative.

There is some humor in the first coming up the steps both getting nat 20 initiative.

I would say irony but yeah, that's a good observation.

@HeroOfSometimes: Have a great time at Wolf Lodge with the fam!

How do you want combat to run?
I know some DMs allow everyone to post their turns ASAP then the DM sorts out the order later. It speeds up combat a little bit.

I have seen others work in groups. So everyone before Colab 1 takes their turn. DM takes a few characters turns, and then the next group goes.

I’m great with block initiative, like you just described (everyone before Colab 1 takes their turn etc). This kind of format, it’s just best if we can get those posts in when we can.

And here I jump in with a weird turn that's designed to stall the orc until everyone can get upstairs.

My two cents for play-by-post, I don't like people taking their turn in a block before all other turns including GMs' have completed in order....

That is using guesswork before you know what situation will exist on your turn, IMHO, and then you have to change your 'anticipated' move into a newer more feasible one... so in the end you haven't actually saved time or effort.

You need to allow for creative interrupting tactics (Readied actions) like Jasir's, and allow for some targets to change position or be taken out of the fight somehow (including fleeing).

Not to mention if you let GM update first, you may be able to speak important update-delivering dialogue on your turn like Greemology has been doing. =)

Iunno, I'm pretty easy either way. I can see blocks making sense for efficiencies sake but Mica also makes a really solid point.

I like to decide what my character does and how they do it.

That being said, if the majority would like to try out doing blocks, we can try it out.

I'm thinking an easy way to keep the efficiency without losing too much time would be if the flow of battle would change your action, you would either A. Get pushed back in initiative or B. I'll act for you, taking your previous action into account and attempting to further whatever goal you were aiming at. Obviously, A. Being the most viable option.

And it's quite possible we're over thinking it and it won't be such a big deal. 🤷‍♂️

Iunno, I'm open to ideas / discussion.

I'm fine with whatever is chosen. It's hard for me to imagine that blocks will be much faster than what we've been doing so far. I similarly am disposed towards flexibility as Mica mentioned, but I recognize that I am also biased due to Jasir's abilities being geared towards control. I'm happy to adapt to whatever works best for everyone, though.

While I prefer individual non-block based initiatives, because they allow for combat to evolve more organically. It can be a pain to wait for the next person to post, if say, they are at work for most of the day. I've played in both style of game and I'm not 100% convinced either way, I just lean towards the individual as more fun slightly.

Block initiative or any form of 'posting in anticipation of your turn, rather than on your turn' is about SPEED and simplicity, yes?

It's speediest and simplest therefore, methinks, that--should it happen that a player has 'posted in anticipation' and that choice the PC made is no longer valid, or might provoke an Attack of Opportunity that it would not previously have provoked--that the GM get to use option B mentioned earlier, which is to drop the player's initiative count lower.


IMHO, an early as possible initiative order is an advantage not to be lightly given up.


I say all this as someone who doesn't anticipate any trouble posting at various hours of the day, though. I don't like posting on my phone but I have the option if I'm traveling, and during work hours I always have computer access. -\\(''))//-

I am fine with which ever way.
There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Some of the more technical classes it might be easier to take your turn when it is your turn. The others that are just run up and smack them can do their's whenever it makes sense.

Having a set contingency in place if Action A) doesn't work always go to Action B)
Or as GM make action A) make sense uses it how ever.
Your target died so move onto the next target.
Target to far away move to another or use full movement.

If at all possible I'd like to avoid the GM needing to take a player's turn in a way that involves any interpretation and improvisation on his part.

It's more work on the GM's shoulders and already full plate with so many NPCs or environment factors to control, it is NOT fun trying to strategize against yourself when you possess classified NPC knowledge, and the GM's interpretation of the player's will might not be how the player would have wanted to improvise when it's said and done.

Maybe there are three assailants, one goes down, and the player would've wanted to focus on the tougher OR the weaker (OR the one closest to OR farthest from other PCs) after that first one was no longer a valid target--and now the GM has to guess, that's just one example.


I've been down the road as GM of taking a player's turn and posting for them and I cannot recommend it.


I particularly got pushback on what square I put a PC in when I had taken their turn for them, but that wasn't even the worst of it. Just sayin' and obviously it is GM's call.

Yea, I'd prefer not to be changing anyone's actions. I'm just spit balling. I personnally could go either direction. Just want to come to a solution we can either all be happy with or at least accept and not have it ruin the game.

@WhiteDwarf Sorry, forgot to respond about your knowledge roll. You get 2 pieces of info for your roll. Just let me know what you want them to be.

I want it to be known, that I do not like doing this from my phone. Lol. I have misposted twice today. Messed up like three posts that I had to go back and fix. I miss my computer.

Kids are having fun though. 👍

No good answer but most take block over personal INIT just to save time but real sometimes it doesn't do that as some want to see what others do before their actions. To me, as GM. I would take which you feel you want to deal with best as you can't please all. Personally, I just go down the INIT list one after the other. And it takes what it takes in time. Whole reason we have personal INIT and most players look at that rating even as they build their characters and it really only matters for personal INIT rolls as block ignores personal INIT.

How about this:
Let's stick with doing it one by one. You can post ahead of time, and if your action still makes sense when your turn comes, yay! Efficiency! If it doesn't, then correct the action.

Any issues with that?

One by one, corrections made by player (in proper initiative order) when needed--aye aye!

@Mica_pun_worthy Let's keep the OoC discussions out of the game thread.

Now I see, the door is not the stairs. Going in a straight line, you could make it to m10 on main floor map. If you need me to lighten up the map, I can do that, lol. I just trying to convey the low-light. Guess I did it too well.

Edit: for further clarification, bran, the token at the bottom of the cellar map, is on the foot of the stairs.

Just to double check.
We are fighting the Collaborators and the Orc?

For some reason I thought we were fighting just the Orc

Bad news. The game system just ate my character completely. It is totally gone. Unless they can retrieve it. I don't have a Character now.

That is... The worst. Sorry man.

That's horrific! I'm so sorry.

@Smiley Assuming you're treating the Elfling for your turn? Will wait a bit for your response before moving forward.

Give me like 30mins
Just woke up and OMW to work.

On my turn now that the Orc is very far away, is there some random bar item I can throw or Sling at the Orc?

Sure, call it a loose stein, broken chair leg, or barrel lid, or something to that affect. -2 to attack, 1d3+Str damage.

How they might’ve known were here, and if there may be more waiting in ambush for us (based on knowing how they like to operate).
Thx.

Based on your knowledge shadow roll, not necessarily this exact circumstance. You know:
It's quite common for rebellion circles to be infiltrated. Situations like these are unfortunately not uncommon and one of the major impediments to any coordinated resistance effort.
You suspect that there might be, as it is incredibly uncommon for an orc to operating independently. But the fact that he is here by himself at all is novel in an of itself so wether or not there are reinforcements on the way, or outside, or if any exist at all is up in the air.

GM, so does that crit of Varrin's deal 8 or do they need to roll another d3?

GM: I wanna say double the damage on the first die, but technically it would be another roll. You can change it since it'll be a bit before I can post for the NPCs. Moving forward, if the player doesn't roll again by the time I get there, I'll just double it.

Lol, the revolution will be fought with cider kegs and beer steins. XD



EDIT: Just re-posting her for my own frame of reference:

Initiative:
Ulfr > Seelah > Jasir > Colab 1 > Orc > Petra > Bran > Azote > Varin > Wexley > Serah > Colab 2

*EXCEPT that Jasir Readied an action for when the orc started to rage, and it went off after Orc's turn. I don't think this changed the order overall though?

Per the readied action rules Jasir and the Orc now share the same initiative since it went off during the Orc's turn.

So, the way I read it, and I did a little forum digging, the prevailing opinion seems to be the same. If the item in question is being wielded and the initial save is passed, the item in question is not greased. Mostly based on the interpretation of this part of the spell description.But between you, me, and the guttered lantern, I doubt he'd get a second chance to drop it anyhow.

WHEW!

So according to the text you found, now it's....

Initiative:
Ulfr > Seelah > Colab 1 > Jasir > Orc > Petra > Bran > Azote > Varin > Wexley > Serah > Colab 2

Indeed, Mica. Assuming that the higher initiative modifier breaks ties. Though I get the feeling that the orc might not last long enough for me to get a second turn.

I waned to move up to M8-N8 before. Depending on what the red circle would do to me.

Would I get an AoO also?

N8 would give you an AoO.

I'll allow it during this combat, since we're just getting started, moving forward movement needs to be communicated during your turn. Or at least prior to the target NPCs movement.

Edit: hit, but doesn't change result, he's still up, just very very badly hurt. Will write in the action later.

I posted my actions in OoC in mu turn before.
I don't know how to use the map thing to move stuff around. Need to mess with the code when I get the chance.

Doh! Sorry, I missed it.

It is fine.
When i get home I am going to mess with the map coding and try to remember how it works

Nice lucky shot with that beer stein!

@WanderOne: Sounds like a spell-like ability because it is once per day. In Midnight specifically, spell-like means it won't be 'detectable' as magic by an enemy called an astirax....but a spell-like ability does have verbal and somatic components, and if cast within melee range of your enemy they can AOO you.


When I played Pathfinder (first edition), it was not possible to make the effect radius any smaller than what is listed, to answer your other question, with one exception.

Only at higher levels (10 and up) could you change the 'shape' of the spell area (but it's a Feat you must be pretty high level to attain, "Selective Spell").


EDIT: If you see a (D) in the spell description, as you do with entangle, that means you can use a Standard Action to dismiss (end) the spell before its duration runs out.

So... Going by the description of things, did Jasir just get greased? Because it sounds like it. XD

Well... prone now. XD

First step is a dozy... :) Oh grease isn't on you. It is on the ground.

And Grease is a spell you can dismiss, it has the (D) in the entry. ;)

Speaking of casting spells.

Nothing to see here.

I as non magic user (besides 1 spell which I think I am going to flavor as instincts) I am trying to decide how Varin feels about magic and those who use it in the party.

I think it is more along the lines as he knows it is illegal and doesn't really care. As long as the party isn't using it in Public it doesn't bother him.
If he see spells flying around in a stupid situation he might yell at you and tell you to knock it off.

@Itami: Would you mind putting your PC dialogue in bold to make it more visible? (Optional you can add a distinct color font too for Jasir.)

And good thinking on checking about Fell and whether these enemies (at least 2 dead, maybe all 3) might rise again!

Part of the way I connect to this grimdark setting of forbidden magic/writing/heritages as unique from other RPG settings is through having more paranoia and caution. Your mileage may vary!


How it comes through for Petra is she appreciates any chill attitude...but she actively worries about putting y'all in danger of treason/execution or something worse with her magic getting detected...


So much so that she tries to make it up to you all in various other ways she can think of (besides magic healing although she WILL do that when she feels safe), to be a highly contributing companion worth the risk of traveling alongside.

@Mica_pun_worthy: Yeah. Got it covered. I'm leaning towards Navy with Jasir, which doesn't really show in Dark Themes, but ah well. And yep, can't forget the Fell. Jasir's likely about to pick up the orc's axe and take off some heads since it'd be a pain to have an undead go back home and talk about our secret plans.

I have been watching a lot of Punisher these last few days. I might make that Varin's personality a little.

Still a WIP

Cutting off the heads of potential undead is excellent, pragmatic and pro-active prevention!

In most lore that helps--sometimes you also have to burn the neck to seal the flesh from joining again.


But I confess I have not finished reading through the Midnight lore specifically about their version of zombies.

I like what I saw of Punisher when he showed up in the Daredevil Netflix show (the original three season series).


All PCs will have to grow and become more defined as we play with them and 'react' from their viewpoint, that discovery is always part of the fun. =)

From the Midnight Second Edition book: the deceased is doomed to rise as Fell in 1d4 days unless it is beheaded or its body is destroyed by fire.

So you were right. Those are the two generally accepted ways to prevent Fell. XD I as a player knew this, but we'll see if Jasir's also privy to some knowledge on the subject.

Ack. HEADS! HEADS!

Yep, been driving all day. Playing catch up.

Spells granted by Heroic Paths are spell-like abilities, at will, once a day. This is typically for a spell like.

In the magic section of Adventures in midnight I put this in there:So, they are detectable... buuut Powers granted by Heroic Paths are Innate Magic, so you can cast them around Black Mirrors without worry of them being absorbed/depressed.

The dismissability question has already been answered, as far as changing it's size, I'd say you can take the feat below and we can work in a custom option for entangle if you'd like.

Magic Trick

Going to take a break for a minute, think I addressed everything that need to be addressed in the game thread. If I missed something, let me know.

To Do:
Loot
Main NPC responses

Enjoying our game thusly! Great pace, everyone doing great!

So, that didn't go exactly as I had planned. The diplomacy check succeeding really threw off the encounter, I adjusted the Orc's CR to compensate a little, but you guys still managed it very easily. Will take that into account for future encounters. At the end of the day though, I'm not mad about it. The plan was to ramp it up along the way. Just... Yea, didn't expect to not get a single hit in. lol.

Loot:
Axe (Don't know where you guys got vardatch from, did I say Vardatch? I thought I was pretty consistent with Axe.)
Breastplate
Dagger x5
Bloodstained leather armor x2
6 days rations

I agree!

@HeroOfSometimes: Very helpful thank you. I am going to be better than I have been about trying to help supply Magic/Pathfinder 1E info when I only have a few seconds at work between tasks to verify...i.e. I will stop 'helping' in that way, I mean.


To all others, I am sorry for any rules related confusion and I will do better and let GM answer first! ;)

I am slightly confused. I think it is because people are not reading everyone's post and just posting.

Úlfr is decapitating the Orc and 2 Thugs. One by One.
Seelah is tying one up as a prisoner.

I was just trying to loot them to make sure IF they wake up they didn't have anything important on them.


Petra and Azote are healing the One Armed Halfing.

@HeroOfSometimes: I thought it was an axe too, but I can see there being some confusion. XD

Was this everything? I think you said something about a shortsword also.

I plan on only taking a Dagger and the Rations. (Rations for everyone use not just mine)

Sorry, guys, wife let me drink yesterday. 🤣

Axe, no vardatch.
Change Dagger x5, to short sword x2, Dagger x3.

I did intend for them to have a short sword a piece, I forgot about that. Glad none of those attacks hit. 😬

Well that ruins everything (sarcasm). How is Ulfr going to cut off an orc and a thug's head with only an axe...? XD

I'd rather not describe the process of hacking into a corpses neck with an axe, I'll just say he's really strong and does it right away.

This game is gonna border on sadism enough as it is. I don't wanna be unnecessarlly gorey to boot, lol.

Yep, hey, not trying to be a hypocrite, like I said, it's gonna get messy. I deliberately avoided much discussion/description of gore, lol. But the themes still need to be present, the setting is brutal. Gotta convey that.

Is it a great axe or a battle axe?

Is the Orc and 2 thugs both beheaded?

Battleaxe.

One colab to be beheaded, I believe.

Edit: He's not dead yet though.

Yea, he's beheaded two so far. The one Petra tired up isn't dead yet.

Yes, 1 thug has a single hp left, if I read that correctly. That’s the one I’d intended Seelah to bind up.

Just to be clear, he was at 0 when he collapsed.

Copy that.

Re: Loot, anyone want the breastplate? Useful for Seelah, only bc less weight and ACP than her chain mail. Only marginally better though. If anyone the breastplate, simply say so please, and only if no one does will Seelah claim it.

And down they went into the cellar!

I don't need the armor you can take it!
I am only taking a dagger and the 6 rations.


IF no one else wants them, can we put other stuff into a stored Shared loot?

Who is Bran in all of this?

I understand Serah & Wexley.

Can I insight check Bran?
He just sat at a table in the cellar when the whole fight happened... He seems sketchy to me.

Bit of a mystery to the party at this point.
So far:
He was present but largely a background figure during the introduction scene.
He was shown to be a traitor to the rebels by signalling to the guys above.
He's doing it for someone named Elise.
He, Wexley and Serah know each other.

Annnd that's about it.

Talking offline with a player, a change I intended to make but didn't make it in Adventuring in Midnight, Greater Spellcasting, the last line should read:
Spells from these greater schools cost spell energy as if they were one level higher.

@everyone: The only 'loot' that interested me for Petra was some of the rations, and ONE of the 5 daggers because I don't own one and I'm smol enough I could get swallowed up.


See, I had not known that we would be traveling by river, and I did not plan accordingly. (My food spell requires being able to wait an hour in an area with solid earth. That said, maybe the GM will let me go fishing, or trade something for meals of eels?)


@HeroOfSometimes: Thanks for the note about Greater Schools, I was struggling a little with what distinguished them other than needing to be taken at higher caster levels, and only taken once you already had the 'Lesser' versions.

Oh as far as loot goes, Úlfr wants the orc weapon and nothing else, although he would keep the shortsword unless it would help someone else. It's nice to have options, but its also nbd. He is proud of his orc smiling toss though, and sees the orc’s weapon as a trophy.

Clarification question: That is hyperbole right? You are trackin there's no coin? Not trying insult, just wanna make sure we're not setting false expectations. There's a reason I didn't put any gp, sp, or cp in there...

Post is up, ready to move to the next scene, we can linger here for a bit without penalty, if you want your characters to debate more.

Drawing close to the end of Chapter One. These first few Chapters will be shorter than those planned for the main campaign. So, if you have concerns about the length, keep in mind this first part is intended to be shorter as this was planned as a 'proof of concept'. So far, I feel as though things have been going pretty well, a few hiccups here and there but mostly solid. If you think they're too long... weeeellll I don't know what to tell you.

If there's strong desire, we can discuss lengthening Act II to mirror the main campaign length more closely, but would like to know if the desire is there and if everyone is planning on sticking around, but we have time before that decision needs to be made.

A PSA from private messages I feel everyone should be aware of:
During the 'one-shot' section of this campaign I'm considering the characters to be largely in flux, if you'd like to change things up, feel free. I only ask that you keep me posted of said changes.

Reason being: Again, we're adapting an old, obscure setting to a relatively new set of rules and making a lot of windage calls; I want to give everyone the opportunity to tweak their character to what they want it to be and incorporate lessons learned. Not to mention we're still ironing out all the conversions and house rule changes.

As always, hit me up with questions or concerns, will continue do my best to keep pace with the story. Hope you're enjoying it so far.

I am adding the stuff I find to my loot for now.
Once we get on the barge I will ask others about some of it.

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From the Battle loot

BattleAxe (Ulfr claim)
Breastplate
Shortsword x2
Dagger x3 (Varin Took 1) (Petra Took 1)
Bloodstained leather armor x2
6 days rations (Varin took 6)

It's not actually a battle axe. It is 1d10 and works more like a bastard sword mechanically. Also it's the only thing Úlfr is claiming.

@Greemology It's a Battleaxe. The mention of a Vardatch was a mistake, a few too many Pina Coladas by the pool.

Vardatchs are their default weapon however.

Don’t get caught in the rain with those.

Fair nuff. Party dynamics at the end reminds me of Ruthlessness from Epic the Musical.

Great now the song is in my head...

https://youtu.be/TazHNpt6OTo?si=RuE0kuoXHSpR1Jmz

Great now the song is in my head...

You’re welcome, @Smiley lol.

Who has the strength to carry the prisoners?
I am size small with 12 strength. Idk if it is enough

Huh... I wonder... also, isnt it 1 prisoner? I don't think we could take Bran alive. Also, I was giving Azote or anyone else, one last chance to slit his throat or whatever.

We’re taking them-with? Why exactly, and what will we do with them?

Varin called for someone to grab the prisoner. Said they'd throw him in the river later. 🤣 Forget bleeding out, drowning is the latest hotness.

I am not considering Bran a Prisoner. They can do what they want.
Varin closed the door of the cellar on them and it leaving.
They are alive; I don't want to just kill them. I want to see if they have any useful information.
If they don't, we will throw them off the barge.

We are definitely leaving Bran alone before he becomes violent.

Petra is 3.5 feet tall, she has Str 10, she could drag the prisoner maybe, improvise a table cloth or curtain to make a stretcher...? But probably not, slows us down too much and looks sus?


@Greemology/@WhiteDwarf: But the idea of propping him between two people as a "drunk friend" (or over one person's shoulder, maybe Ulfr the giant-blooded's or Seelah?) is preferable, can we do that?


Or if somebody (Azote or Jasir most likely) slits his throat, Petra cannot stop them and has (in my last post) completed her goals of offering alternative reasoning and solutions and admitted she cannot stop them or prove their caution is not warranted.

Petra definitely interpreted that as they would give him something to keep him afloat, so that is what my post is going with!

Bit of gallows humor.

I am really enjoying the discussion in character. Nice RP everyone!


I know we need to move on soon to the boat and possibly a time skip but this is fascinating and illuminating, a chance to explore each character's mindset and values as they stand now (and a comparison for how they'll stand later, we'll see).

Oh. Ha!

Appearances to the contrary but I do like gallows humor. I just don't always pick up on it.

What would we give them to float on?

I see this ending badly (for them), and Seelah’s not an easy sell to change her mind. If y’all want her 18 Str to help escort prisoners, you better be sure we can get the info we want from them (w/o resorting to torture), and keep them (reasonably) safe.

So, not to throw another wrench in the gears here, you are going to a boat, that isn't yours, that the owner has already stated he doesn't care whether the prisoner lives or dies.

Just throwing that out there.

Yeah. It just reads like a bad deal, for them, and very little upside for us, in terms of our mission. I just don’t think dealing with prisoners unnecessarily is something Seelah easily gets behind.

I’m willing to hear great people out on it, though. :)

New meme for the game, introducing:

lol

Varin is more we just had a tavern fight.
People used magic.
2 people are dead Loot what you can grab the KOed guy.
We need to leave this area before it gets worse.


I wanted to close the trap door and put something on top of it but that could screw Bran over and I don't feel like giving him a reason to be more of a possible problem.

Me keeps forgetting. Smiles. No coin. Only tradable stuff.

The barter rules read to be pretty interesting.

Pretty please also post the meme about the guy in the robe with the cat on his shoulder....!

Can we not just take their weapons and leave them here? Meter’s running on the barge! lol

This was you guys in that last fight:

We could! And Jasir said that if everyone insists that the guy live that we should just leave him. But Jasir is deadset against taking the guy.

Legitimately just messaged GM about that. I wanted to give tpo Azote one more opportunity to post before I just carried the dude off.

Similarly I was giving Azote the option to act before Jasir just kills him.

This seems... problematic.

Ya think? I've been very open about Magic in this setting. It's not a secret.

Yeah... I feel like spells should be a last resort kinda thing... idk. People out here looking for heretical psykers and stuff.

And what of Bran? He saw her too.

Ohh. Well. He is dead.
I wanted to torture him for info.
But it is what it is!

Wahahaha! That's the one.

Gotta love the cat! (Was so tempted but I took a raven instead)

You could go back and torture Bran. He seems into that.

I made a thing.

This was my idea!
Do the whole Batman dangling off a roof but with water. On a Moving Barge... That is hopefully infested with biting things...

Why strive to make grimdark into grimdarker? Lol I get that it's desperate and dark, but why heap on extra cruelties?

WA-HA-HA! (At the meme, not the dead guy.)

Well I think Smiley only means interrogation technique?

In the excellent cartoon Batman the Animated Series that was a favorite bloodless questioning technique. Batman did not actually drop the crooks, he just needed to be able to scare them.

I would hope our party would only be scaring them too. (Otherwise I have to pitch in with Greemology that my first choice is not to lean into the grimdark with dark deeds by the party...)

@HeroOfSometimes: What would you think about creating just one more 'discussion thread' for Starfall that is exclusively for Loot?

Lists what we acquired, and who has put in a bid for it, so we can consolidate decisions?


FIGHT LOOT:

Battleaxe (d10, Standard for PF 1E and more like a 'bastard sword' mechanically according to GM) : Greemology/Ulfr requested it

Breastplate: WhiteDwarf/Seelah requested it

Dagger x5: Me/Petra requested 1

Bloodstained leather armor x2: Nobody yet?

6 days rations: Smiley/Varin requested to keep them all, Me/Petra has requested 1 of them



VARIN'S SEARCH OF TAVERN LOOT:

• 3 jars salt pork (6 days rations) : Nobody yet?

• 1 pint lamp-oil (sealed flask) : Nobody yet?

• 1 bottle bitterroot wine (Treat as Alchemist's Fire or Strong Alcohol (DC 15)) : Nobody yet?

• Small packet glimmermoss spores (Profession: Herablist Check required to determine use) : Me/Petra asked for it ; WanderOne/Azote may voice interest later

Actually the GM corrected that it was simply a PF 1e Battleaxe.

Question for the GM: weren't there two shortswords since they slashed at us with shortswords?

@HeroOfSometimes Could you possibly add to the Player's Notes The list of Characters, Their Players, and any other basic info. (Race, Class ect)


Not being a loot horder Will pass it out in a bit.

@Greemology Yes.

@Smiley You mean the PCs?

Yes Please!

Glittermoss: Dry and Crush. Afterwards, introducing the moss to open flame causes it to burn immediately. It leaves behind a pungent charcoal like substance; the smoke from this substance stings like pepper; creatures in the 5-ft cloud begin to experience severe eye irritation as well as sneezing and coughing profusely (DC 12 Con save), gaining the dazed condition, with the exception they can still take movement actions. Any character moving out of the cloud can act normally at the start of their next turn. The cloud persists for 1d4 rounds.

Well done, WanderOne! I support you taking the moss!

If no one else needs the Breastplate, Seelah will use it, and I’ll also add her Chain Mail to the Loot List in its stead, please.

Waiting to give Smiley a chance to write Varin on the barge before I move us on.

Sorry about the wait.
Had a M&M game on Discord last night and went to bed after.
Just woke up and got the chance to post.

Do we know how long this boat ride should be?
Is the location on the map along the way?
Can I/we roll something to see if I am familiar with the area?

You can always ask one of the crew. :) (a few days total)
You're not stopping at any location annotated on the map. I'm actually working on getting us a couple zoommaps going for more specificity, having some trouble with size, pins, coordinates...
Yea, Knowledge (Local) for specifics about the area. Knowledge (Nature) for general location, plants, animals, weather, etc...

Knowledge (Geography) For a rough idea of where we are?

I'm in the same boat. May I knowledge:geography?

Yea, sorry, forgot about that one.

Got the Zoommap working.

A little wonky, at the moment, kind of starts off not centered, working on getting it where I want it.

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Can also be found on the Campaign Documents page.

@Mica_pun_worthy
The salted pork came in 3 jars. Could you fill them with water using Create Water?

I feel like y'all are trying to get pulled over by the magic cops.

@WhiteDwarf
Seelah: Knowledge (Local) (Int) Southern Region - (1d20+6)
(9) + 6 = 15
Two pieces of information

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@Itami
Knowledge (Geography) - (1d20+8)
(4) + 8 = 12
One piece of information

Knowledge (Nature) - (1d20+8)
(8) + 8 = 16
Two pieces of information

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@Mica_pun_worthy
Perception for river stone sling stones - (d20+7)
(17) + 7 = 24
You see lots of them. On the river bank.

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@Greemology
Knowledge: Geography - (1d20+5)
(12) + 5 = 17
Two pieces of information

I might be a little AFK this weekend. Visiting folks out in the country.


I was more curious if the spell could be used to fill the jars. Not really cast it right now.