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Sep 5, 2017 4:38 pm
For those of you who follow US political news, you may have heard today that President Trump ended an immigration policy known as DACA. Unfortunately, I was one of the recipients of the benefits conferred by the program, and it's end has potential impact on Gamers' Plane. That's mostly the point of this post, though if people would like to discuss the program (civilly), we can start up a thread elsewhere.

Through DACA, I was able to receive a work permit and deferred deportation. With the program over, for now, my work permit continues to be effective till it's expiry (a bit under a year and a half) but my deferred deportation is over. This doesn't mean I'm being immediately deported; in fact, I don't really know what it means. I have a meeting with my lawyer next week, I hope, but that'll mostly be to figure things out right now.

So over all, what does it mean for this site? I'm not sure there either. As long as I can afford to pay for the servers, the site will stay up, even if no more development happens. As for development, that will be a day to day thing. I don't really have a easy time managing my depression now, and back when I couldn't work/drive/etc (pre-DACA days), my depression flared to insane levels (plenty of days I literally got nothing productive done). With the program over, it's back to me getting gray hairs (if you've met me, you may have noticed, I'm surprisingly gray for a 31-year-old), and stress also demotivates me to program.

As I've said so many times, I'll continue working on this site as long as possible. Coding is an escape for me, something I really love doing, and working on GP is a neat project I get enjoyment from, which I unfortunately don't get from my day job. It feels like I make a lot of excuses for why this site isn't booming; I know I haven't put as much into it over the last few months as I could have. I'll continue doing what I can, and I hope you'll all bare with me through this.
Sep 5, 2017 5:20 pm
Good luck with all that. From an outsider's perspective the land of hopes and dreams doesn't seems to like dreamers too much.
Sep 5, 2017 7:21 pm
That's rough, Keleth. I know your circumstances are somewhat unique and I hope that you find a way forward that gives you stability and happiness.
Sep 5, 2017 10:00 pm
I hope things work out for you, Keleth.
Sep 5, 2017 10:06 pm
I'm confident that things will work out for you, Keleth. You have all the moral support you could ever need right here! Don't forget about your GP family when you are having issues :)
Sep 5, 2017 10:12 pm
Naatkinson says:
Don't forget about your GP family when you are having issues :)
+1
Sep 5, 2017 11:57 pm
Sorry to hear that. I know it will all work out for you. If need be, I'd be willing to help cover some of the costs of the site if it'll help. Maybe a Patreon or something of the likes would work. We are here for you through dark and light times man!
Sep 6, 2017 12:35 am
lunitar says:
Sorry to hear that. I know it will all work out for you. If need be, I'd be willing to help cover some of the costs of the site if it'll help. Maybe a Patreon or something of the likes would work. We are here for you through dark and light times man!
With the current donations, GP servers are currently paid for monthly, so it's no concern at the moment.
Sep 6, 2017 1:02 am
That's awful news. My sincerest sympathies for the mess Trump created by scrapping DACA.
Sep 6, 2017 1:23 am
Phil_Ozzy_Fer says:
That's awful news. My sincerest sympathies for the mess Trump created by scrapping DACA.
To be fair, Obama was way outside of his constitutional rights in creating it in the first place. And at least he gave some time for congress to create a lawful replacement for it
Sep 6, 2017 1:50 am
Naatkinson says:

To be fair, Obama was way outside of his constitutional rights in creating it in the first place. And at least he gave some time for congress to create a lawful replacement for it
Yes. So far outside his constitutional rights was Obama that DACA has been around since 2014, even though it's been challenged by numerous states, sent to the Supreme Court whom is tasked with upholding constitutional law, which rejected those challenges.
Sep 6, 2017 1:50 am
If the creation of DACA had been outside of Obama's constitutional rights, it would have been overturned by the courts. Executive orders are not royal fiat, as Trump discovered when his two attempts to ban Muslims from the country were declared unconstitutional.
Sep 6, 2017 2:15 am
emsquared says:
Naatkinson says:

To be fair, Obama was way outside of his constitutional rights in creating it in the first place. And at least he gave some time for congress to create a lawful replacement for it
Yes. So far outside his constitutional rights was Obama that DACA has been around since 2014, even though it's been challenged by numerous states, sent to the Supreme Court whom is tasked with upholding constitutional law, which rejected those challenges.
1. The Supreme Court was split 4 to 4 on the issue due to only have eight justices at the time.

2. It's been around since 2012, not 2014

3. Supreme Court is pretty terrible at following the constitution, as it is
Sep 6, 2017 3:14 am
Naatkinson says:
emsquared says:
Naatkinson says:

To be fair, Obama was way outside of his constitutional rights in creating it in the first place. And at least he gave some time for congress to create a lawful replacement for it
Yes. So far outside his constitutional rights was Obama that DACA has been around since 2014, even though it's been challenged by numerous states, sent to the Supreme Court whom is tasked with upholding constitutional law, which rejected those challenges.
1. The Supreme Court was split 4 to 4 on the issue due to only have eight justices at the time.

2. It's been around since 2012, not 2014

3. Supreme Court is pretty terrible at following the constitution, as it is
It was split on party lines, and I read the opinions, as well as numerous commentary from legal specialists. Obama was, at best, slightly over the line, but the general consensus is he was within his rights. He created no new laws; as the leader of the executive branch and DHS, he ordered that recipients of DACA be granted prosecutorial discretion, something commonly used in immigration law, without the need to appear in court (with the notion that submitting all the paperwork, background checks, etc, were sufficient grounds). I have yet to find an opinion opposing DACA that wasn't mostly "President's cant create laws".
Sep 6, 2017 6:03 am
About the DACA.
Trump says:
"The legislative branch, not the executive branch, writes these laws – this is the bedrock of our Constitutional system, which I took a solemn oath to preserve, protect, and defend."
6 month ago, about the Muslim ban.
Trump says:
Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!
Apparently, the legislative branch is important as long as they block something made by someone other than trump
Keleth says:
I have yet to find an opinion opposing DACA that wasn't mostly "President's cant create laws".
Sorry to disappoint you, here's the president's argument.
Trump says:
"The temporary implementation of DACA by the Obama Administration, after Congress repeatedly rejected this amnesty-first approach, also helped spur a humanitarian crisis – the massive surge of unaccompanied minors from Central America including, in some cases, young people who would become members of violent gangs throughout our country, such as MS-13."
Hateful Xenophobic rhetoric.
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Sep 6, 2017 6:30 am
This is sad news. Thanks for keeping GP alive Keleth, wish you all the best going forward.
Sep 6, 2017 11:36 am
Xelias124 says:
Keleth says:
I have yet to find an opinion opposing DACA that wasn't mostly "President's cant create laws".
Sorry to disappoint you, here's the president's argument.
Trump says:
"The temporary implementation of DACA by the Obama Administration, after Congress repeatedly rejected this amnesty-first approach, also helped spur a humanitarian crisis – the massive surge of unaccompanied minors from Central America including, in some cases, young people who would become members of violent gangs throughout our country, such as MS-13."
Heh, I meant opinion as in legal opinion; I wouldn't trust Trump to know a jaywalking law :p His statement is filled with so many errors, it might as well be fanfiction. DACA wasn't amnesty, it wasn't a first resort, it didn't create a surge, MS-13 didn't increase in activity in the US (it's a South American gang that became a talking point when a reporter used a picture from South America and cropped it to pretend it was happening in the US).

Anyway, when I get to my laptop, I'll move these posts to a separate thread, leave discussion here for the OP.
Sep 6, 2017 11:54 am
Looks like someone is fighting back though. I guess we can hope it gets stopped in court like his other ventures: BREAKING: New York Attorney General to announce filing of multi-state lawsuit to protect #DACA recipients
Sep 6, 2017 11:59 am
Don't get me wrong, I don't want anyone who's here (and obeys the law) to be deported, but congress needs to get off of their collective ass and create an actual law covering this situation instead of relying on an executive order. This may be the push they need to actually get something done other than collect our hard-earned tax dollars :P
Sep 6, 2017 12:54 pm
Naatkinson says:
Don't get me wrong, I don't want anyone who's here (and obeys the law) to be deported, but congress needs to get off of their collective ass and create an actual law covering this situation instead of relying on an executive order. This may be the push they need to actually get something done other than collect our hard-earned tax dollars :P
I agree; congress should have handled this. The Dream Act or a (IMO) reasonable alternative was brought to Congress at least 4 times, twice barely failing (both times due to promised votes that ended up going no), once dying to filibuster, another by never being allowed to the floor, even though it had strong support. The EO was only necessary in the same way that if you're in an accident, you don't refuse a bandage because a surgeon isn't stitching you up right there. And if a surgeon keeps refusing to help you, you're not about to tear off the bandage just because it's a temporary solution.
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