Episode 2 Scene 1 The Journey North

Okay FlyingSucculent while that is not your Flaw but your Bond you are still able to use it to bring in a set back -- but to make it a solid setback I am going to say you lose all the benefits of the charge since your theoretically veering off course -- you can still attack this round if you want but it will be a normal non-charging attack -- you would have still had the normal detriments to having made a charge on your approach -- which frankly I do not see actually coming into play with the way things currently stand -- just letting you know for future reference should this come up again.

Okay rpgventurer can you add your actions for this round as well -- I mean Brindel is still conscious and while he has Disadvantage on all rolls except for Saves he can still act this round

...but it is my Flaw? My Bond is nature. :0
And how will it be veering of course if I'm attacking who I was planning to attack? I guess I'd rather not risk it then, since it doesn't seem like a good pay-off. XD

Okay first off -- I want you to understand I am not singling you out -- I am simply using this situation to help you and the rest of the players get a better understanding of how Setbacks might work.

Next it appears I missed labeled your characters personality aspects due to the order in which you had put them -- my bad and I fixed it -- but regardless you can still use any Trait, Ideal, Bond or Flaw and/or any combination thereof to invoke a Set Back just to keep that from being misunderstood

Next I think you missed the point -- in this situation you are not really losing anymore than you were basically outlining

Benefits of a Charge:
1) The charger gains additional Speed -- your character does not need this

2) The charger gains Advantage on their first attack roll -- okay this you were willing to give up

3) The charger can attempt to Overrun their target -- the additional item I am saying you lose

---- The Only Restriction or Bad Side-Effect that really applies in this Situation ----

All movement within the turn associated with the Charge Action (both any allotted movement used just prior to the Charge Action and the movement taken as part of the Charge Action) must be in a straight line, with no curving to the left or right.

And while this one [The charger provokes Attacks of Opportunity (per its rules)] would still be out there along with the other restrictions -- it is not any more applicable than your character having to deal with difficult terrain since neither are currently applicable.

So that means I have one restriction that I could bring into being that would cancel your Attack of Advantage -- is this worth a Setback and could it be done yes that would be worth the setback and yes it could be done -- further I agree it does seem somewhat cold-hearted -- to just switch targets in mid-stride

On the flip-side -- if we are not applying the above restriction then I must ask -- Why and/or How are you applying Disadvantage to your attack that has Advantage due to one or a combination of your Personality aspects?? In the example they show a person applying Disadvantage to their Save because they were distracted by the shiny piles of gold due to that being one of the things they can be distracted by. So then I have to ask if you are not changing targets mid-stride then what reason are you applying Disadvantage -- I see nothing in game that warrants that application but I am open to suggestions and ideas as to the why/how.

Note this is to say -- No -- One cannot just apply Disadvantage willy-nilly to anything -- One must have an in-game reason for that Disadvantage cropping up -- The shinies distracted me -- I changed targets mid-stride -- I sneezed loudly as I was sneaking up -- etc... Might these Setbacks be more significant than initially thought -- yes they can but then again it is supposed to be significant after all

Next I do not understand your comment "rather not risk it" -- what are you risking? -- further it "doesn't seem like a good pay-off" but that is the whole point of a Setback it is not supposed to have a good pay-off its supposed to be a "significant story setback" -- where you then get an Inspiration Point to use at some later point in time to hopefully help advert a really bad situation maybe

This part is meant to help me understand the reason for those comments -- as I am feeling I am missing something that is getting lost in the translation here -- yeah sometimes I can be slow to pick certain things up but then that is why I ask for clarity.

As a final note -- you could just have your character veer off and circle back around for a go at a zombie on the next round ignoring Brindel's situation then you could get the Setback and still keep your Charge.

Oh, I'm not thinking anything about singling out, I just wanted to explain my position!

I'm pretty sure when I last checked, Inspiration Expanded only mentioned Flaw as a source of setback... Not anymore though, so maybe I misread? Eh, doesn't matter, most of my traits aren't very good for setbacks anyway. XD

"You are not really losing anymore" and "the additional item I am saying you lose" is a contradiction though? If I don't use Overrun, I can't use Warhorse's second attack according to your description of it. Unless I'm really missing something, this sounds like losing more to me.

I think you don't understand my reasoning for using Flaw for a Setback, and I don't believe I can explain further without going into a long-winded pseudo-philosophical discussion. XD The best I can try is: I'm not changing targets, but I am picking practicality of protecting Feliani over emotional attachment to Brindel? Thus, inner conflict that distracts Egret! At least, in simplified version.

And I don't think you're not picking something up, we just have different views on the game, maybe? I'm trying to be opportunistic and get some inspiration for the future as a pay-off. :P But really, if you think it is not applicable, I won't do it, it was just a random idea I had!

Yes this is the piece that I was missing in your initial outline -- so we kind of need to update your Personality and include this listing those individuals that you have a emotional attachment too which may cause you worry and distraction if they are in harms way. Remember your Personality is something you can use for Inspiration and Setbacks and something the GM can tap into as well.
With all that said then I do approve the use as you have described it - I just ask that you reflect that distraction in your post some how I mean okay you charge and hopefully trample one of the zombies on Feliani but the whole time you are concerned about Brindel perhaps is slight stagger is what really distracted you -- how badly is he hurt?

Okay let us just say that for reasons Egret has only acquired an emotional attachment to Brindel and Lex -- and while (if things work out) Feliani will be rejoining the party as a PC there is an element to her that did not come forth prior (as I had still been working on it) but Feliani has an "odd aire" about her and tends to be a bit hot-headed (anger issues) -- in game mechanics other beings tend to initially not trust her -- and while the group has come to accept her that "odd aire" has not gone away and can be a bit off putting at times -- aka she's okay just annoying to be to close to for too long like having an itch you cannot scratch -- so I hope that helps with the why perhaps Egret does not have an emotional attachment to Feliani as of yet

As for random targets since your focused on attacking one of those attacking Feliani it would have been a 1d2 but a 1d4 works as I will just use high/low in this case -- I denoted when I made that first request for 1d4s was because everyone had 4 opponents at the time so you only need to roll 1d# where # = the number opponents facing you

Oh and yes that post worked just fine thank you :)

Yeah, I was thinking about using 1d2, but Brindel's been rolling 1d4 while being engaged only with two, so I wasn't sure if it was number of opponents for group or for specific person. XD Brindel and Feliani are near each other, right?

Yes Brindel's player has been rolling 1d4 but since it an easy case of hi/low like with you I just used the rolls -- Yes Brindel and Feliani are near each other -- I stated they are back to back but in actuality there is probably a small (maybe 5 feet or a bit less) between them -- but they are mostly back to back -- if we were using a grid they would be in adjacent squares

Awaiting Shump's and perhaps hopefully Arina's posts

Brindel, Egret, and Lex have a shared history that precedes the caravan journey to Far Reach and associating with Feliani. That's why their attachments might be deeper. Exactly what the history is would be revealed while role-playing our characters.

Bonding my character with PCs such as Shump is more important to me than with NPCs. (Feliani is bit of both right now.)

Okay well keep in mind that sometimes bonding a bit with some of NPCs can be almost as important as with the rest of the PCs I try not to make my NPCs to generic and some of them can be quite helpful -- think like maybe Balder's Gate but with a much better AI backing up those NPCs ;)

Still in the end - I never put something out there for absolutely no reason - what the reason is well that might require investigation but for the most part its something either minor or potentially significant

GeneCortess -- Shump is close enough to move an engage or is he taking a full round to check out the venue for this misty lady as well as anything else that may or may not be going on?

Okay I will give Arina a day or two more to post and then conclude this Round

Situation Update
Brindel and Feliani are still fighting back to back
.... Brindel not engaged HP 59/-59
......... Current 0 HP or less : At Disadvantage to Actively do Anything
.... Feliani engaged 1 zombies HP 41/-39
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Shump - not engaged HP 58/-41
Egret - engaged 1 zombie (HP 39/-34) as War Horse HP 24/24
Lex --- not engaged HP 45/-0

On the shore caught in webbing ---- 1 Zombie

GeneCortess there are 3 Zombies -- one on Feliani, one on the Warhorse which you did not see where came from, and the last zombie on the shoreline stuck in webbing --- as such which zombie are you moving towards -- you get to choose because these are distinct zombies -- further if you attack the one on Feliani or the Warhorse you and whomever the other person is would both get a +1 to hit as you out number your target -- as such the most benefit would be obtained by helping the strange war horse that has come to your aid because Feliani is fighting totally defensively at this time