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Oct 12, 2022 4:36 pm
I noticed something with the 5e sheets that Adam made, that if you edit the preview page during an edit session it won't save the edits. But if you edit while just looking at the character outside of an editing session, it seems to work just fine. I just tested this, and it seemed to work.

Clicking the name to see character = Good editing
Clicking the pencil and viewing code = Good editing
Clicking the pencil and previewing character = Bad editing!
Oct 12, 2022 7:07 pm
cowleyc says:
Carabas says:
I submitted my character. I still need to do her equipment, but its 1 am, so that'll have to wait.
I see that you have 19 Str from that 18+1. The way I understand it was that the you would roll for exceptional strength, and the bonus would pop you into the next category. Which is why it says you have a max 18 Str but 19 Con.

This isn't a hill I'm trying to die on, just thought I'd see what other folks have to say.
So... I thought a bit about it and read up a bit on it. Personally, I don't really care. This is just how we've always done it. If you want to rule this another way, I don't have any issues with that.

But here are three reasons why I think the way we did it is correct.

It entire issue seems to be an artefact of there not being a race with the STR bonus in the PHB, and the game later never establishing a ruling for this, and later writers in various supplements just made it up as they went along, in contradiction of each other.
Because various other later races, like the Sylvan Elf from the Complete Book Of Elves do get the max 19 Strength.

The Complete Book Of Humanoids also has the same table with the max 18 strength, but also gives a Half-Orc Fighters with strength 19 or higher a boost on their level cap.
So it doesn't seem like anybody writing for TSR took those ability caps seriously.

Finally, having my character merely jump to the next percentile increment penalises her for being a Fighter, because if she'd have been a Cleric with 18 strength (which is something I'd considered as an option), all that percentile strength stuff wouldn't even apply because that's a Fighter-only thing, and she'd just go 18+1=19.
Oct 12, 2022 7:10 pm
Carabas says:
cowleyc says:
Carabas says:
I submitted my character. I still need to do her equipment, but its 1 am, so that'll have to wait.
I see that you have 19 Str from that 18+1. The way I understand it was that the you would roll for exceptional strength, and the bonus would pop you into the next category. Which is why it says you have a max 18 Str but 19 Con.

This isn't a hill I'm trying to die on, just thought I'd see what other folks have to say.
So... I thought a bit about it and read up a bit on it. Personally, I don't really care. This is just how we've always done it. If you want to rule this another way, I don't have any issues with that.

But here are three reasons why I think the way we did it is correct.

It entire issue seems to be an artefact of there not being a race with the STR bonus in the PHB, and the game later never establishing a ruling for this, and later writers in various supplements just made it up as they went along, in contradiction of each other.
Because various other later races, like the Sylvan Elf from the Complete Book Of Elves do get the max 19 Strength.

The Complete Book Of Humanoids also has the same table with the max 18 strength, but also gives a Half-Orc Fighters with strength 19 or higher a boost on their level cap.
So it doesn't seem like anybody writing for TSR took those ability caps seriously.

Finally, having my character merely jump to the next percentile increment penalises her for being a Fighter, because if she'd have been a Cleric with 18 strength (which is something I'd considered as an option), all that percentile strength stuff wouldn't even apply because that's a Fighter-only thing, and she'd just go 18+1=19.
You know, those are good arguements! Especially the last one about the cleric. Here we have Exhibit B of TSR not really figuring out their own rules. Let's go with the 19 Str, and let you kick some butt!
Oct 12, 2022 7:53 pm
I'm preparing the beginning of the first module, and it has an easy tie-in for all characters: you have heard of goblin troubles near a town, and have chosen to accept their request for adventurers. You should consider who all knows each other, or who might be newcomers to the party.
Oct 12, 2022 9:04 pm
No problems saving my sheet here, sorry for the troubles!

Oren is 150 years old and a super friendly wayfarer so everyone should assume to have at least met him in a tavern at some point. Heck, he probably toasted your fathers at your birth announcement!
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Oct 12, 2022 9:24 pm
Also, if anyone takes issue with the term gypsy being used here, feel free to let me know! I understand the real-world connotations, but it is not considered a slur in this campaign setting. I imagine it is more akin to the term Viking, in that one goes viking or one goes gypsy.
Oct 12, 2022 9:45 pm
Trina has been submitted. She is a halfling burglar and a very friendly sort. She would likely have hooked up with any of the characters as a buddy.
Oct 12, 2022 9:52 pm
Oh I'm CERTAIN Trina and Oren have traveled together at SOME point... Probably still do, how many half-pint burglars does one ever come across after all?
Oct 12, 2022 9:55 pm
cowleyc says:
Also, if anyone takes issue with the term gypsy being used here, feel free to let me know! I understand the real-world connotations, but it is not considered a slur in this campaign setting. I imagine it is more akin to the term Viking, in that one goes viking or one goes gypsy.
Should we change "gypsy" to "vistani" for forum use? A little homage to the early works of TSR and Hickman?
Oct 12, 2022 10:06 pm
dominion451 says:
cowleyc says:
Also, if anyone takes issue with the term gypsy being used here, feel free to let me know! I understand the real-world connotations, but it is not considered a slur in this campaign setting. I imagine it is more akin to the term Viking, in that one goes viking or one goes gypsy.
Should we change "gypsy" to "vistani" for forum use? A little homage to the early works of TSR and Hickman?
Dealer's choice! I find that the term "gypsy" is so evocative, you can just see the character plain as day. Or, I can find a spot from my second map (the Southlands) that would be a good region for the traveling folk!
Oct 12, 2022 10:09 pm
cowleyc says:
Also, if anyone takes issue with the term gypsy being used here, feel free to let me know! I understand the real-world connotations, but it is not considered a slur in this campaign setting. I imagine it is more akin to the term Viking, in that one goes viking or one goes gypsy.
I don't want to be difficult, but I really kind of have an issue with it.

It's a racial slur, and it not being considered as such in the fiction of the setting, or back in the time the book was written, does not change that fact that it is a racial slur.

The kit description offers Forest-Nomad as a synonym. You can also go with Vistani, or Traveller, or whatever, there's plenty of alternatives to pick from.
Oct 12, 2022 10:11 pm
Rolling for cash... and testing character avatar.

Rolls

5d4

(42414) = 15

Oct 12, 2022 11:17 pm
Carabas says:
cowleyc says:
Also, if anyone takes issue with the term gypsy being used here, feel free to let me know! I understand the real-world connotations, but it is not considered a slur in this campaign setting. I imagine it is more akin to the term Viking, in that one goes viking or one goes gypsy.
I don't want to be difficult, but I really kind of have an issue with it.

It's a racial slur, and it not being considered as such in the fiction of the setting, or back in the time the book was written, does not change that fact that it is a racial slur.

The kit description offers Forest-Nomad as a synonym. You can also go with Vistani, or Traveller, or whatever, there's plenty of alternatives to pick from.
No worries! This is absolutely why I check! Let's go with Vistani instead! For something like this, you aren't being difficult at all.
Oct 12, 2022 11:19 pm
I agree gypsy is a cool word for fantasy but I'll go with "wayfarer" to keep everything cool in the gang. More fits with Oren's overall deal anyway. Kicked out of the High Elven capitol for being too darn sexy (to hear him tell it), Oren now wanders around the cities of man looking for adventure and good times.
Oct 12, 2022 11:24 pm
Cash!

Rolls

Result x10 in gp - (2d6)

(44) = 8

Oct 13, 2022 12:06 am
I've always loved the word Gypsy - it has a sense of mysticism and adventure all wrapped up in it for me. Too bad it has so much baggage. I feel ya...
Oct 13, 2022 12:06 am
Should we worry about clothes? Buying them with starting funds, weight towards encumbrance, etc?
Oct 13, 2022 12:14 am
I let all players start with a free set of traveling clothes, a backpack, and a knife. Don't worry about the weight for those, since clothes shouldn't weigh anything (super evenly distributed), the backpack is for carrying the encumbrance, and the knife is practically weightless.
Oct 13, 2022 12:41 am
I think I am done with the character sheet, just need a spiffy druid portrait. Heading over to the Rembrant Studio to get one done. Gonna take a few hours, Medieval fantasy painters take a while to produce a painting. LOL.
Oct 13, 2022 12:49 am
Most of the characters done, and only one HeroForge portrait! I think this group is alright!
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