Character Creation & OOC

We can get a pack totem, but IMO we need to come together as a pack, learn each other, and then figure out what spirit we want to go after. It takes time, and that gives us plenty of time to build up some XP.

What I meant by preconceived plans was, I've played with people who will build a character and decide they need this one particular totem for their character to really be dialed in, and if the party wants any other spirit it ruins their day. I hate that. I'd rather figure it all out in game.

Oh the whole roleplay aspect I can agree on, and I don't optimize characters so I do none of that totem-fitting stuff. (In fact my character may be the least-optimal Ahroun I've ever seen). Rat probably isn't optimal either, it's just my character's tribal totem spirit.

But I do think it's smart to reserve the background points for when the moment is there. A totem spirit may present itself at some point in the story and we'd have to commit at that moment by making our offering. Else you may have the situation some characters cannot join the pack until they've accrued xp to buy the background or worse, we cannot afford to appease the totem as a group and it wanders off to find someone more worthy. Once rebuffed, it may not be open to the idea later.

Again, it's fine if you decide you don't want to invest in a totem. Just say so. I'll make some modifications so I can afford a personal totem and be fine.

If you think it's important, or any you think I should take I can absolutely swap it up. Just being new to the system I was clueless in what was good, so thought I'd make her also out of her element - Knowing her auspices but raised by Kinsfolk used to Ahroun Garou so no one to teach rites or rituals so she only just been able to start moving in with the pack.

I will absolutely also say no idea how we'll built she is, or how well Silver Fang and Theurge gel but we'll see how it goes.

Edit: I'll swap around to get a totem point. Ive written her family being in a worse financial situation than it was in original mind so can take away resources.

May have more spare as well if I trade in the extra gift (Spirit Speech as both it and Mother's touch seemed useful) for some rites points)

Rite of Talisman dedication isn't THAT important-- it's what lets you shift with your clothes, etc, but Rites can be picked up in game later on-- and it could be fun for a game where the easy button on gear isn't always pushed right from the start.

Nope, I'm all for it.
I just don't see a point in putting points in at chargen, unless you're starting as an established pack with a totem. Maybe it's me, but I've never played a game where a totem spirit shows up first session. Those events take time, because your pack needs to accomplish something before any spirit worth the investment will give your pack the time of day. Spirits don't generally come looking for Weres anyway, it's usually up to a pack to track down a spirit and convince it to be their patron. It all takes time.

And time spent means XP gained.

Well I've played a Theurge and for that auspice Spirit Speech is practically mandatory. I won't say Mother's Touch isn't a blessing to have around, but I wouldn't take it over you know, the key component to playing a Theurge.
Exactly! It's the first time where I'd have to consider my warderobe. :)

Also, since we're squicky new garou, it makes sense we haven't had time to learn how to perform rituals, let alone learn specific ones.

I'm reading through this conversation, but being new to the game I'll have to defer a vote to the more experienced players. That being said, I'd be fine with delaying things that don't need to be resolved at character creation, and then working their completion into the game itself.

Oh yeah I'm calling it the extra one as its the second on sheet, but well aware its likely mother's touch that needs to go if I do want more points. ( I can likely get rid of some ancestors points but it seemed thematic)

Edit: Oh @Alordis in case you missed it Matt Parody also commented on recruitment.

Okay- sorry the start here keeps slipping.

Going to post the intro and start into it; will still work in @MattParody and @Duke_of_Nothingburg when they get here

We're all adults as far as I know, and this is a World of Darkness game, but I'll go ahead and put this out there...

Patrick is an ass, and is absolutely going to antagonize people from time to time. If your character ends up upset over it... good. If you as a player get upset over it... feel free to talk to me. In this here OOC thread or via DM are both fine, whatever you're comfortable with.

We're playing teachers, there's going to be clashing. I think as long as in the long run our characters manage to work together nad don't screw over anyone else (At least not majorly) I'm alight with that.

Similarly if anyone else wants to contest Diana attempting to take pack leader as she is naturally going to try and do absolutely go for it.

Hey.

Trying to put ideas to paper now.

Question:
What kind of apocalypse happened?
Are we talking Mad Max, The Last of Us, current arc BPRD comic style, Alas Babylon , or something that only really effected the Garou and the rest of world look exactly the same?

With that question being asked, I'm thinking of a Glass Walker or Stargazer...
Probably Gilliard auspice...
White Howlers aren't on the table, right?

White Howlers are not on the table.

And it's the kind which only Garou really noticed.

The important thing is they made their heroic stand, the Three aspects of Gaia were out back into balance, but then for 20 years there were no new werewolves, and since new wolves started changing lupus have only been Ragabash.

We have a Silver Fang Theurge, a Bone Gnawer Ahroun, a Fianna Ragabash, and a Stargazer Galliard so far.

(No love for the Philodox I guess)

BTW, can I just go on record as saying I'm honestly bummed they did away with Cunning as a reknown?? Lol

Cunning is a Baster renown isn't it?

Garou have always been Glory Honor Wisdom

Werewolf the Foresaken, actually. (Probably also Bastet though.) But I liked the five renowns. It was actually one thing about the NWoD Werewolf game I thought they got right.

Ah, yeah I never really read forsaken werewolf, what was the fifth?

Purity, Glory, Honor, Wisdom, and Cunning were the five.

Most NWoD lines worked on a five by five axis.

Vampires had five Clans (with numerous bloodlines), and five "organizations."

Werewolves had five Tribes, five Auspices, and five renowns (one tied to each auspice).

And so on.

Glass Walker Philodox.

Anyone else having issues with that Google Doc link?

I'm thinking I'm going to play this as a Streamer/YouTuber turned Garou.

Is the link not working? I will try to repost a fixed one tonight

Should be set to anyone with link to view the doc, so I'm not sure if you're having problems with it- let me know if you still can't open it you can PM me an email and I can send it that way.