Heist the Colours 2: Now in Space (OOC)

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Jul 9, 2023 11:26 am
Lio has some computer skill, probably not the right one, but maybe it's enough to follow instructions?
I mean, hacking is quite specific knowledge.
Jul 9, 2023 11:35 am
Airshark says:
Lio has some computer skill, probably not the right one, but maybe it's enough to follow instructions?
I mean, hacking is quite specific knowledge.
Yes, and you said you did not have such knowledge, which is why we brought in Abby.

That sort of 'general computer help' sounds more like something you could do if/after something went wrong? Maybe you offering could provide 'reassurance' or something? I am not sure how else to model that in the rules.

If we can't see how we can help, it is fine not to help. 'Too many cooks spoil the broth' I have heard... :)
Jul 9, 2023 10:11 pm
vagueGM says:
That sounds like 'hacker knowledge', though, so trying to mansplain her job to her might just piss Abby off? I don't think Ronny is a hacker or someone to have such knowledge?
Yeah, I think so too. I'm not going to try.
Jul 11, 2023 8:28 am
@pedrop. Hope you're ok with that piece of history.
Jul 12, 2023 1:30 pm
vagueGM says:
Pedrop says:
... the probe drones. As I presumed the are off line right now too. ...
You also seem to be assuming there are Probe Drones. There are none listed on the Far Trader, the Courier and Survey Scout and the Laboratory Ship have them, but not your ship.
Lol... it is one aspect of the case (or should we call it my mistakes? :) ) ... I was looking at the ship's schematics in the core rulebook and took "LOW BERTHs" as drones... my bad. Sorry. You are right there shouldn't be drones on the Far Trader :/
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Pedrop says:
... only to activate ... No to hack them! ...
Even if there were Drones on the ship, they would need to be close by. You would need to get through the hull protection (which, as we discussed, blocks EM radiation). Then they would have to have their batteries plugged in, and to have any real switches turned on (basic safety, to prevent people from turning on things inside your ship and doing damage).
Yes... you are right. Probably not only my PC was over-enthusiastic about this idea... :)
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Pedrop says:
... that would allow us remotely activate the drones ...
I can't see any way that could be possible. Not in a controlled way.
As I don't give up easy... :) And what if we would have spider-like drone, cut a small hole in the front airlock or wall - that would be easy to repair "on the field"(more like jury-Rig...)... in such case: could we use it to open the door from the inside with lower difficulty?? Asking for a friend...

To the rest: I also agree.
vagueGM says:
Yes. You can definitely cut your way in, same as if you were a boarding party. That does break the ship, though, so you are correct that it is a 'last resort'. You can get the ship fixed, but this is 'destroyed equipment', so is the job for a shipyard and not the Repair mechanics.
Yes. Last resort indeed:) But... maybe not least fun... ;)
Jul 12, 2023 1:44 pm
Airshark says:
@pedrop. Hope you're ok with that piece of history.
No worries. Once again my ideas were flushed down the toilet... My world view shattered. All the doubts about my intelligence returned. And all enthusiasm was trampled into the ground... but... that's ok... at least Raf have two coat now... so it is not so bad...

;) ;) ;)

And now being serious: no problem at all, I think it's GM job to keep world coherent and it seems to me that our beloved GM is just doing that. As far as understand it: we agreed on "science fiction" setting/theme, not "science fantasy"... so all those remarks seam very good and justified.

Now... let's see if Raf made a complete idiot of himself in RP thread( I begun here at OCC... )... ;)
Jul 12, 2023 2:45 pm
Pedrop says:
... took "LOW BERTHs" as drones ...
I made exactly the same mistake when I want to go check. Spent ages trying to see how many drones there were and why they weren't listed before checking the legend and seeing those were low-berths. Seems like a lot of low-berths.
Pedrop says:
... there shouldn't be drones on the Far Trader ...
You are welcome to get some, but there is no reason it would start with them.
Pedrop says:
... not only my PC was over-enthusiastic about this idea ...
For the record: I did not enjoy addressing this in character, but you asked us not to take it to OOC and to have your character make mistakes. My preference is always to address these possible misunderstandings about the setting out of character and assume the characters know more about the world than the players do. But that is your choice.
Pedrop says:
... As I don't give up easy ...
We know. :)
Pedrop says:
... And what if we would have spider-like drone ...
Things like that could exist. You would need to find them (possibly when they are used against your ship?). Since Abby Succeeded we can leave this for later?
Pedrop says:
... cut a small hole in the front airlock or wall ...
Yes, that would be a way to force entry. But it does leave a hole in your hull, which is really bad, even if patched.
Pedrop says:
... easy to repair ...
Easier, yes. And it would cause less problems when those repairs fail in the story.
Pedrop says:
... Asking for a friend ...
That is how pirates do it. Tell your 'friend' that they may be looked at askance by the law if such things were found in their possession. It could be argued that 'they are repair droids' but they are suspicious.
Pedrop says:
... Last resort indeed:) But... maybe not least fun ...
Yes. Absolutely. The players are welcome to pick very sub-optimal choices if they want to take 'more fun' routes. Just so long as they know they are deliberately taking a risk they may not need to.
Jul 12, 2023 2:48 pm
Pedrop says:
(OOC in RP)... Writing this a little retroactively ...
That is normal in PbP. I left plenty of spots where people could interact or leave the scene, but I am not going to wait for each player to confirm each possible interaction, else it will take too long.

I did wait the weekend for you or Raf to respond, but Tuesday came and I went on with the scene.
Pedrop says:
(in RP)... " 'You can always count on us'... fuck... it sounded even worse then I thought." ...
Is there some element here of a boy trying to impress a girl and saying all the wrong things? Does the fact that she is Ronny's ex affect that?
Jul 12, 2023 4:58 pm
vagueGM says:
Pedrop says:
... not only my PC was over-enthusiastic about this idea ...
For the record: I did not enjoy addressing this in character, but you asked us not to take it to OOC and to have your character make mistakes. My preference is always to address these possible misunderstandings about the setting out of character and assume the characters know more about the world than the players do. But that is your choice.
Yes. Indeed that was my pov on the subject. And I think it still is. Those mistakes could lead us to some interesting things - like some of those below:)
vagueGM says:
Pedrop says:
... And what if we would have spider-like drone ...
Things like that could exist. You would need to find them (possibly when they are used against your ship?). Since Abby Succeeded we can leave this for later?
Yes. Sure. Later. Just "checking the bounds" of this world:) For a friend... ;D
vagueGM says:
That is how pirates do it. Tell your 'friend' that they may be looked at askance by the law if such things were found in their possession. It could be argued that 'they are repair droids' but they are suspicious.
"Mr Officer! That's only a pet!" ;D
Jul 12, 2023 5:09 pm
vagueGM says:

That is normal in PbP. I left plenty of spots where people could interact or leave the scene, but I am not going to wait for each player to confirm each possible interaction, else it will take too long.

I did wait the weekend for you or Raf to respond, but Tuesday came and I went on with the scene.
Thats perfectly valid/ok with me! No use to wait too long for players that are lagging(I mean: me). But I just felt that I "should" add those responses in order to provide some "flavor" to how Raf reacts in those situations. The thought of having a "grievance" against you, of not waiting for me - didn't even crossed my mind.
vagueGM says:
Pedrop says:
(in RP)... " 'You can always count on us'... fuck... it sounded even worse then I thought." ...
Is there some element here of a boy trying to impress a girl and saying all the wrong things? Does the fact that she is Ronny's ex affect that?
Until now as player or Raf I didn't think that there could be anything between Raf and Abby. It is Ronny ex - so it could get too complicated to bother. That thought of Raf was supposed to represented how he feel embarrassed about situation and being not sure how to handle it.

But now... when you mention it... If Generator is ok with that... we could introduce something like that into this story... this "love triangle" could bring some funny or fun situations into existence... :) I'm not sure I will be able to properly RP that... but we can try:)
Jul 12, 2023 5:16 pm
Pedrop says:
... I just felt that I "should" add those responses in order to provide some "flavor" to how Raf reacts ...
Absolutely. We post out of order all the time. Such is the nature of PbP. Those responses were needed and good.
Jul 12, 2023 6:09 pm
vagueGM says:
If Generator is ok with that... we could introduce something like that into this story... this "love triangle" could bring some funny or fun situations into existence
I'm fine with that. Maybe Ronny can even be Raf's wing-man :P
Jul 12, 2023 9:44 pm
(*) What do we call your new ship? We can use the name you plan to use after you change its registration, or we can change our minds and change the name we use later. But give it some thought, as not having a name will get progressively more awkward now that we have to refer to it a lot.
Jul 13, 2023 9:18 pm
I apologize for being absent. I'll catch up tomorrow.
Jul 15, 2023 12:48 am
Do we all need to wear a vac suit, or only the people who go in to power up.
Lio doesn't have that skill.
Jul 15, 2023 1:28 am
Anyone going into the other other ship will need to wear a suit till it is powered up enough to bring life-support online and get air. If you don't go over there you won't need a suit, if all you do is carry Abby's gear (so it does not fill the airlock with her and the other two), you won't need to roll anything ... not until something goes wrong.

If you have to roll, it is just -2 for 'each missing level' presumably level 0 is a level for this purpose. These standard TL8 suits require Vacc Suit 1, so that is two missing levels for Lio and Abby, and 1 missing level for Raf.

There was talk about Lio getting a TL10 Vacc Suit which would halve the penalty, and be easier to work up to the Vacc Suit 0 requirement they have. They are slightly cheaper than TL8s, but hard to come by and TL8 Suits are 'free' in almost all airlocks (presumably one size fits all). I believe this was before Raf joined, but such a Suit would remove Raf's penalty.

Abby did not know about this problem, so she does not have a TL10 Suit of her own.

You are unlikely to need to roll the Vacc Suit Skill itself, but the bulky Suit will make everything you do hard. As will the zero-G.
Presumably Vacc Suits were part of Lio's Navy training. How come he does not have the Skill? Did they skip that because you were a doctor, or did they try and the training did not take?

Did Lio have problems with that part of the training? Was it claustrophobia or distrust of vacuum, or just lack of time, or something else?
Jul 15, 2023 2:43 am
Interesting question. Thinking about it.
Jul 19, 2023 5:47 pm
I'm thinking claustrophobia would be a nice add-on to the character. I'm not familiar with it. But it could lead to interesting situations.
Jul 19, 2023 6:33 pm
Airshark says:
... claustrophobia ... not familiar with it ... could lead to interesting situations.
Cool. Do you need guidance on it or will the wikipedia or webmd or NHS websites be enough to get you going?

I don't think it needs a mechanical effect --though you are welcome to take a Bane Die if the fiction suggests it as appropriate-- and can just be a thing you RP struggling with. Maybe you need to take a moment to calm yourself before donning the vacc suit; Maybe you just find it uncomfortable till something goes wrong and triggers you; it is up to you how often and how much it comes into play. You can also get over it, or have it come in waves with long periods of not being significantly bothered by it.
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