OOC and Character Creation

Can move here for the rest of character creation questions.

I do have a world map and regional information I will get up by Sunday evening so people can make choices on where they are from in the world.

The set up requires you to be from effectively anywhere but Narport.

What are the rules/guidelines being used for firearms? That and how you wish to do starting gold/gear?

What ability score generation method are we using?

I believe we are using point buy (20).

Are we allowed any traits?

I was going to go with the standard 2 traits. I haven't decided on them yet.

I just found about them when trying to use a character generator lol

Is it possible for you to permit custom character sheets in the campaign? The "official" pathfinder sheet wasn't really working for me, idk what was going on with it, so I ended up using a custom one so that it'd work and so that I could add my eidolon. Anyhow, Khi Khe Feathermane, Cloud Dwarf Summoner, is officially a thing that exists! I ended up going with Omen and Deathkeeper (from people of the sands) for my traits, if we're using traits.

Yes- two traits is fine. I'll try to get some campaign setting specific traits up early next.

Firearms exist- I need to look up which wording is used for them, but the same set of ones available in PFS but open purchase, still need exotic proficiency or a class or archetype that gives one.

Yes point buy 20 for stats.

Everyone will start with 200 gold for gear plus a silver scythe and the option to upgrade the silver scythe to masterwork for only 100 gold (a steep price but possibly worth it for melee).

Custom sheet added

Are drawbacks a thing (Mostly as occult bargain was orginally a planned part of the build, but it's not necessarily a bad thing the magus can't take more penalties to concentration)

At a wedding will try and build tomorrow

Custom campaign traits could be interesting. :) Take a shot at it.. smiles... that is if guns are allowed. .. :)


Fiden's Eagle

We won't be using drawbacks- it's one spot where PF tips over too far towards min max power gaming.

Will get more campaign info up tonight or early tomorrow AM now that the kids are returned home.

How important is having a modifier to damage going to be?

Not sure how powerful the party will shake out being- it depends what role you're playing really, but you'd generally want to at least have a 14 or 16 in str if it's your damage Stat

Currently it's a 10, I didnt realize how crappy finesse is in pathfinder. Even after going through all the trouble to make a scythe a finesse weapon, the damage is still based off str.

How did you get it to be a finesse weapon?

Dex to damage isn't that difficult to be had once you get to the point of basing the weapon off dex to hit really.

How did you get it to be a finesse weapon?

Dex to damage isn't that difficult to be had once you get to the point of basing the weapon off dex to hit really.

How did you get it to be a finesse weapon?

Dex to damage isn't that difficult to be had once you get to the point of basing the weapon off dex to hit really.

How did you get it to be a finesse weapon?

Dex to damage isn't that difficult to be had once you get to the point of basing the weapon off dex to hit really.

Weapon Finesse -> Advanced Weapon Training - Fighter's Finesse. As a weapon specialist archetype fighter this can be achieved as earlier as lv 4.

Ah--

I have the fix.

Bladed Brush reskinning this feat for Scythe instead of Glaive with pre-requisites of Weapon Focus (Scythe) and must be a worshipper of Hapi.

That will save you the need of using the advanced weapon training feat (or let you use it for another option), and get you to Dex to damage with 4 feats you were going to probably take most of anyways (Weapon Focus, Weapon Finesse, Bladed Brush, then Slashing Grace)-- should clear up your problems.

Also- everyone- the world map link and info about the regions/cities are up in reference thread

Thanks. Do I just ignore the reach part of the ability or will the scythe now have extended range with this feat?

Oh yes- will leave that part off the modified feat since it's not relevant to the Scythe.

Everyone- I've changed my mind on Traits. We'll go with 3 traits, two of any variety and one of which has to be one of the Campaign traits I've added to the reference thread-- these traits will set your position within the organization and career path so to speak.

I've also added some Religion traits- these are available for use with one of your other slots but not required.

For existing regional traits ask which regions they would apply to, and for religion traits those that are appropriate flavor wise can be modified as Hapi traits.

Asked this in reference but realized I should probably ask it here to leave the channel uncluttered: would it be possible to apply one of my traits to my Eidolon instead of myself? Probably not, but Blade of Hapi would be ever-so-convenient.

I might have to just redesign my character, 4 feats seems a bit too steep to get the scythe to be functional. 3rd level would be the earliest the damage would be effective and not till 2nd level will being able to hit with it. While at first level the feats wouldn't do much. Combat maneuvers wouldn't be able to benefit from dex till level 4. Seems like just getting the scythe to be finesse is a pain, 3 feats to do so since bladed brush has two prerequisite feats. Weapon Finesse then Mythic weapon finesse would get the attack and Damage alone, but only for finesse weapons.

Might just end up as a str based human.

I just don’t think pathfinder is super favorable towards dex based melee fighters. I honestly like it that way, though, rather than 5e’s method.

Well it's not that dex based fighters are a problem, it's trying to use a scythe with dex based fighter that has issues. Any weapon that normally is finesse or falls under weapon finesse works just fine.

Oh it is very favourable towards dex based mellee... As long as you aren't trying to use a two handed weapon and sticking to a rapier, Scimitar or similar.

Bladed brush does bring glaive into line with those however.

Though everything they do suffer with is that initial low level damage. It's not as bad as it seems - everyone at that level is swingy. Then you hit level 3, get to forget strength is a stat and you are on your merry way :p.

(I admit my view is slightly tilted with often playing with house rules giving finesse and other feats for free, but even without those dex builds are very viable)

(Also I note Kirin you mention mythic weapon finesse - You want slashing grace/fencibgg grace Mythic weapon finesse can only be taken by mythic characters and that's a whole different ball park :p)

While writing this I had a thought. - there is a paladin archetype that fits dex in mellee that I had built using bladed brush - It gives some bits to you automatically like weapon finesse.

A swashbuckler could also work but than a fighter if you are set on dex as its built around being dex melee. (The paladin archetype is based off it).

Well that's annoying. Why doesn't the site list that as a prerequisite for the feat. Sigh. Yeah it looks like I'm just going to skip the whole dex thing entirely. It's that or not use a scythe.

Which site? Pfsrd does that alot.. If it was nethys I'd expect them to sign post it better shame on them...
But yeah it was probably assumed anyone reading it got to it from the mythic ruleset, not as I assume you did from Google or similar.

Anything that says mythic stay away from. It's effectively the epic ruleset for pathfinder. Very powerful...and very unbalanced :p

If you are using pfsrd anything that says (3pp) in the title is 3rd party, so not official.

Nethys is less of a mine field as its the official website but sometimes harder to navigate...

I can look at trying to help but I'm not going to be able to get it fully functional till 3 either, however you can always fluff it as the character still getting used to the scyth, and having say a back up sickle/fitness weapon till they've got the hang of it.

I have also just rembered spear dancing style is a thing, but that's going to take even longer to get on line. And I am sorely tempted :p

Also how are people feeling not having a cleric/full caster. I can likely whip up a cleric or oracle if need be.

I was looking at variant multiclass cleric but I can't afford the feats with possessed hand aswell.

(Though may be able to pencil mark in healers hands and heal skill unlock for later (if the skill unlocks are allowed)

It was archives of Nethys.

I was actually going to get the trait Sacred Touch since we didn't have a healer.

We see to have a lot of martial power with two pet classes and two frontline fighters, so we could just aim to kill them before they kill us :p

I am happy to take a more support role though. Either cleric or oracle as said, or bard/inquisitor.

Currently looking at psychic to see if I can just manipulate the scythe instead of physically wielding it lol

Thoughts on firearms. I stole this from online.

Firearms in Your Campaign
Firearms and gunslingers are not for every campaign, and even if you are excited about introducing firearms into your campaign, you should still make a decision about how commonplace they are. The following are broad categories of firearm rarity and the rules that govern them. Pathfinder’s campaign setting uses the rules for emerging guns, which is also the default category of gun rarity.

No Guns: If you do not want guns in your campaign, simply don’t allow the rules that follow. The Pathfinder Roleplaying Game plays perfectly well without them.

Very Rare Guns: Early firearms are rare; advanced firearms, the gunslinger class, the Amateur Gunslinger feat, and archetypes that use the firearm rules do not exist in this type of campaign. Firearms are treated more like magic items—things of wonder and mystery—rather than like things that are mass-produced. Few know the strange secrets of firearm creation. Only NPCs can take the Gunsmithing feat.

Emerging Guns: Firearms become more common. They are mass-produced by small guilds, lone gunsmiths, dwarven clans, or maybe even a nation or two—the secret is slipping out, and the occasional rare adventurer uses guns. The baseline gunslinger rules and the prices for ammunition given in this chapter are for this type of campaign. Early firearms are available, but are relatively rare. Adventurers who want to use guns must take the Gunsmithing feat just to make them feasible weapons. Advanced firearms may exist, but only as rare and wondrous items—the stuff of high-level treasure troves.

Commonplace Guns: While still expensive and tricky to wield, early firearms are readily available. Instead of requiring the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat, all firearms are martial weapons. Early firearms and their ammunition cost 25% of the amounts listed in this book, but advanced firearms and their ammunition are still rare and cost the full price to purchase or craft.

Guns Everywhere: Guns are commonplace. Early firearms are seen as antiques, and advanced firearms are widespread. Firearms are simple weapons, and early firearms, advanced guns, and their ammunition are bought or crafted for 10% of the cost listed in this chapter. The gunslinger loses the gunsmith class feature and instead gains the gun training class feature at 1st level.

Firearms are a thing, see above

I believe it's Emerging Guns that's the specific option we will use. Exotic proficiencies and the expensive listed price.

I've built the dex based builds a myriad of times. The sad fact is that the easiest and best ways to do it always involve dipping into classes to get extra free feats and work around things.

Yeah, I think im just going to drop dex entirely. Going to have to lower a lot of stats. I'll try to submit my character when I get home. It's going to be quite a rework, but I'll keep the kobold race and scythe focus

Edit: I submitted what I had originally for the character. Ability scores, skills, and feats will be reworked.

Was looking at firearms for my hunter but the thoughts that I would need Gunsmithing & Exotic Weapon Proficiency to make this work doesn't appeal.

Don’t mean to be pushy about this or anything, but as Alordis now appears to be online, thoughts on this? I just wanna know before I select my traits, since all of the custom ones look very tempting and push the flavor I was going for already.

@TheHumbug- I'd say no to shifting the benefits of a trait to the Eidelon, they can get pretty crazy as is.

@GeneCortess- I'm checking and I'm really surprised that there isn't a gun using archetype for Hunter, there is for almost every other class; to use them would only require 1 feat, but to make the cost for the ammo cheap enough you would effectively need to spend 2 feats to get there or take a level in Gunslinger or one of the other classes that provide them for free.

@KirinofDarkness- with the modification to bladed brush it's not that difficult to get there- 1st level Weapon Focus and Weapon Finesse, 2nd level Bladed Brush, 3rd level Slashing Grace and you'll be at Dex to damage with the Scythe- yes, it would take all four feats you get in the first 3 levels but it comes online fairly early comparatively; up to you- ditching it in favor of a STR build and wearing heavier armor can get you to the same AC & bonus to damage/attack while freeing up several of those feats if you decide it is too much of an investment.

Yeah it's going to take a bit more work. I just got to trying to pick out my feats and my stats didn't work for them now. 🙃

My courtly hunter has gone with these two traits: Still thinking about weapons and gear.

Spirit Guide: As someone who has performed or observed funeral rites for a wide variety of people, you have a basic understanding of many different religions.

Benefit(s) You gain a +2 trait bonus on Knowledge (religion) checks, and Knowledge (religion) is a class skill for you.

Secret Knowledge: At any point after taking this trait, you may choose one Knowledge skill.

Benefit(s) You gain a permanent +2 trait bonus on checks with that skill, and it is a class skill for you. Once this skill is chosen, it cannot be changed. (Knowledge Nobility)

Fair enough, I'll just be spending four points on proficiency in that case, so I can have my proper reaper eidolon friendo. As for traits, I'll be keeping Omen and taking Hierarch Priest.

Ok my character is finally done, only thing I'm not 100% on is the attack bonus in the weapon field.

So if you missed it I made a switch- it's 3 traits one of which must be from the campaign traits so @TheHumbug you cab pick a third trait from any category and @GeneCortess you need to pick up one of the four campaign traits.

So I have magus about ready to go.

I have also however very rapidly worked out a warpriest with spear dancing style because I now want to make it work, (admittedly she has some strength, especially to access power attack) and will give us healing in the party.

I have also got a evangelist cleric concept if we want that full caster/support.

Are people leaning any particular way. The magus currently has more fluff, but is also a build I can do in about any game.

@LightOfmidnight- I love it, just too many options to play. That's exactly the way I am in most games.

I’m probably not the one to ask, but imo just play whatever character you think would be the most fun, having a build that actually works is overrated when you can have a big friend with a scythe :)

Have to say a big friend with a scythe can be very effective. One of my players tormented me with one during the iron gods ap... and then the magus sing a scimitar took butterfly's sting.... At least we can't torment Alordis with that combo :P.

We should hope, at least, cause I have no clue what I’m doing. It took me a solid half an hour to comprehend how the heck natural attacks worked, especially in conjuncture with a eidolon weapon.

Unchained or Chained? (Even the chained can do hella damage)

You've probably worked out by now but yeah all your natural attack when you are attacking with the scythe will be counted as secondary so - 5 to hit, halfstrength and power attack damage.

If unchained the scythe attack counts towards you attack allowance. It doesn't for orginal summoner. (Though have to admit I know little about orginal summoners)

No clue what unchained is ngl, but I am aware of the whole secondary attack thing. Don’t really know much abt power attack tho. I’m honestly just kinda selecting whatever looks the most aesthetically pleasing for the Eidolon.

That's fair and valid :P

There's two summoners, the original and unchained, as some classes got reworked.

The unchained was a big nerf to summoner that limited what you could do with eidelons by putting the evolutions they could have into categories based on what type (devil, angel, elenental) the eidelon is.

Original just gives you more freedom with evolutions and as long as you aren't using them to make a 9+ attack pounce beast (the specific build that forced them to make unchained summoner and ban og summoner from pfs) its better to be in original than unchained.

(Unchained monk and barbarian weren't nerfs per se just sideways evolutions of how the classes abilities worked, and unchained rogue is a buff that nonetheless pigeonholed the class into being the dex to damage class).

@GeneCortess- did you see my PM about your theoretical family tree? Also- of note, there aren't really "common" fire dwarves- the high dwarves (fire, cold, stone, storm, cloud) are all rare in this age with hill dwarves comprising much of dwarf society- basically the nobles are "high" dwarves of various types and the commoners/peasants are largely hill dwarves. Of course being raised apart from dwarves you wouldn't necessarily intuit that bifurcation.

I've approved everyone's whose submitted character's, so we are waiting on @LightOfMidnight to decide and submit.

Sorry if being blind. Can I grab a quick list of Hapi's domains?

Oh no, I totally just didn't put them up! I left out the Deities seciton I usually include for this world since I restricted it to Hapi followers but forgot to put up domains sorry about that

Hapi domains are-- Death, Law, Repose, All subdomains of those except Undead, the Rites subdomain of Magic, and the Decay subdomain of Plant

As long as you don't go absurdly overboard I don't typically enforce/check encumbrance very closely. Very briefly into the game you'll have a base of operations so you won't have to be carrying around crates of coins or anything like that.

So Gold Peak is the only major dwarf Kingdom-- it takes up a large part of the mountains between the East and West halves of the map of you look at that. It's ruled by a Cloud Dwarf King, but there are 8 major families that play a part in the oligarchy that truly run the society including the Ironfire clan which are the most powerful fire dwarf family there.

Question about Deities and such. Fiden is a fire dwarf hunter (ranger/druid) and therefore should have a deity or something in the area to worship. She has really mostly lived in Human cities. Any Sugestions?

I thought we were all worshipers of Hapi.

There are full druids who worship Hapi on the setting- they tend to focus on her aspects in the circle of life and death, especially since she's a God of natural death.

@lightofmidnight- how are you coming making your character?

Sorry. My brain did a thing, especially with choice paralysis. I'm just going to go for Magus and give her a little UMD for scrolls and wands if need be.

@Alordis: I appreciate if you say no but as lore wise her arm is going to be a melted down Hapi scythe, would you let me instead of spending the 100gp upgrade to mwk her scythe, spend 100 to make her arm silver. (I I can under normal Jistkan rules do this for 145, which i will i you say no, just also hoping for a chainshirt :P)

I'll go with no for now and remind you that chain shirt is one of the most easily obtained pieces of equipment once you start looting, that will almost surely obtain within the first two levels.

Really digging this character concept- it only makes me wonder if you can find a way to work in some spiritualist level dips to have the grandfather actually join as a phantom!

That goes for everyone really- pretty excited about the directions this game can be going.

Also, should have 1 more joining who said they wanted to grab cleric in the recruitment thread so that will be a pretty balanced party.

Ooh that is tempting. If only spiritualist was a vmc :P. he may be able to join as a familiar later... does mean she can't punch people while he's running around though.

Yeah that's fair. I know I was being cheeky on the request, just thought it fit lore wise and with the mwk possibility saving 45 gp vs 200 :P
(Also made it before I swapped up dex a bit higher). Updated sheet to reflect this

I mean, obviously I should put on the work to make VMCs for the Occult classes and publish it.

Tbf VMC's for the classes which don;t hav them And better VMCs for some that do Is a project I have. Just currently haven't got much done on it. Bar vigilante, as want to do a game where everyone is also a vigilante. Orginally did it in gestalt but VMC would be better.

You're currently in the Reaper's Sanctuary in the Old Empire Seat, sorry I didn't specify that.

Reaper University is in the Old Empire Seat- you would theoretically have trained there for a few years then been sent on to your first assignment or back home until you were summoned for this mission.

I'll get more information on the Church of Hapi and Hapi himself up in the next day or two.

Sorry for the late submission of my character, but it was the long weekend and was not near a computer for the time.

But I see that there were options for elves and I was wondering if the Plains Elves were Lawful enough to be a chosen race?

Just wanting to let everyone know I am going camping from September 7 - 10 and will be without internet, use my character as you will until I get back!

I'm back and ready to play!

So there's no reason you could know this, but on Kesperex "Chosen of Hapi" (or any other deity) has a specific connotation- there is only one Chosen (if any) of a deity at a time and they have a special place and get special abilities beyond just clerics or other spell casters

Sorry all, I have been both moving and sick this week. Will get things rolling again here shortly.

Sorry all, I have been both moving and sick this week. Will get things rolling again here shortly.

Sorry all, I have been both moving and sick this week. Will get things rolling again here shortly.

No problem, hope you get better soon

@TheHumbug, How is your character able to make 4 attacks in one turn? Is it from a feat or class ability?

It's the eidelon- it's one attack from the summoner and then a claw-claw-bite from the eidelon

Claw claw scythe, actually, with the claws functioning as secondary weapons with a very large penalty to hit. Khi Khe makes a bunch of attacks, but not particularly potent ones.

Ah ok, I'm not that familiar with pathfinder so I figured I'd ask

Sorry I've been really sick these past 2 weeks and haven't been able to keep up with anything. So I think I might have drop this game sorry.