It's raining in London... again (OOC)

Apr 29, 2024 8:37 am
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Apr 29, 2024 8:50 am
The squad on the platform [ref] are Goons (page 219). They don't matter enough to qualify for Put a Name to a Face, that sort of Move is reserved for whomsoever is sending them, if you can find that out.
Apr 29, 2024 4:22 pm
OK, so a good start with my first Move. With 10, I think I'll choose "A loyal customer reveals the secrets of a powerful NPC", who would be the NPC that I need to fool/deceive as a complication in my scheme.
Apr 29, 2024 4:52 pm
gnomius says:
OK, so a good start with my first Move. With 10, I think I'll choose "A loyal customer reveals the secrets of a powerful NPC", who would be the NPC that I need to fool/deceive as a complication in my scheme.
Alright. Do you have ideas for who either, or both, of these people are? So far we only know of Mark as a 'loyal customer' so if we want that one to be an NPC we can make someone up. It could be Dr Williams, or someone else (though NPC-bloat can quickly become a problem in Urban Shadows, but we can deal with that if when it happens.)

If it is Mark who brings you the secret, then that may involve him in your Scheme as well. All up to you.
Apr 29, 2024 6:30 pm
In my opinion, it makes a lot of sense that this is Mark, if he agrees, of course.
Apr 30, 2024 2:28 pm
No problem. But who is going to be the powerful npc? Will I make one up?
Apr 30, 2024 2:48 pm
Stalker05 says:
No problem.
Cool, we will work out how you learn that your information is relevant to the Scheme. If you don't know about the Scheme itself you will have some other reason to tell Jacob.

If Mark does not know about the Scheme then the NPC would need to be someone connected to Jacob as well as to the Scheme.

@gnomius, would Jacob have involved Mark in a Scheme? The nature of the Scheme might affect that, I will make it open-ended that way.
Stalker05 says:
No problem. But who is going to be the powerful npc? Will I make one up?
If either of you have anyone you want to turn into the 'powerful NPC' you are welcome to suggest someone. We can adjust if it does not work.

I can also create the scenario and known actors involved and you can base your choice off of that. We can still adjust as needed.

Else I can always come up with someone if I have to.

The Powerful NPC can be from any Circle.

We can also save this information and revelation for later when it can have more impact.

@gnomius, I have also just read the Move, and it says it's "your choice", so I was not just being generous (or lazy (or collaborative:):) in offering you the option. This near the start you might not know enough NPCs to make use of this, so I can help with who it is if you need.
@gnomius, once I know the answer to my question about whether you are going out to meet the threat or staying home for the 'surprise party' [ref] (I should have asked that in this thread): I will see if you learn about the Scheme on you way or yesterday.
vagueGM says:
(elsewhere)...
Are you going out to have the surprise party for them before they get to you, or are you waiting for them to come to you? They did not seem well acquainted with the map/route, so Benji (and anyone else) can easily make it 'there' first.
Apr 30, 2024 3:58 pm
I may have found some really crappy apartments there.
Apr 30, 2024 4:15 pm
vagueGM says:
@gnomius, would Jacob have involved Mark in a Scheme? The nature of the Scheme might affect that, I will make it open-ended that way.
Depends on the nature of the Scheme. Unlike Rhiannon or Benji, Mark is not a collaborator (yet) but just a client. But that can easily change, if Jacob sees it would be beneficial for him to collaborate with Mark. ;)
vagueGM says:
@gnomius, I have also just read the Move, and it says it's "your choice", so I was not just being generous (or lazy (or collaborative:):) in offering you the option. This near the start you might not know enough NPCs to make use of this, so I can help with who it is if you need.
I think it means "your choice" between "generate a new scheme or advance one of your existing schemes", not about creating the Scheme itself. But I'm more than happy to collaborate if needed (beyond the choices I already selected).
vagueGM says:
@gnomius, once I know the answer to my question about whether you are going out to meet the threat or staying home for the 'surprise party' [ref] (I should have asked that in this thread): I will see if you learn about the Scheme on you way or yesterday.
Jacob will wait for Benji to (hopefully) show up, he's not a fighter. By the time being, he will just keep an eye on the street to make sure they are really coming his way, with the plan B to go downstairs into the bookshop if things go left.
Apr 30, 2024 4:34 pm
Ysolde says:
I may have found some really crappy apartments there.
Also a tad far away from the others, this does mean you won't be able to just 'notice something happening' as easily as the rest can. So we will need to come up with reasons for you to be 'in the neighborhood'.

I don't mind if you want to be '10 mins away' by bike (also remember about the Boris Bikes if ever you don't want to have to lock up your own bike where you are going), but I am sure you can find a really crappy apartment in Covent Garden or Leicester Square or even Chinatown or somesuch. They could be in the business/market areas and therefore not good housing. Completely up to you.

In addition to the crappy apartment, I also noticed that you get a 'cell phone', while almost everyone else gets a 'smartphone'. I won't enforce it if you choose to have a smartphone, I find the idea of a plain cell phone a bit laughable in 2024, but there may be in-fiction reasons if you want to go with it. :)
Apr 30, 2024 4:36 pm
gnomius says:
... Depends on the nature of the Scheme. Unlike Rhiannon or Benji, Mark is not a collaborator (yet) ...
We can make a reason to get Mark involved. There is an item you need but don't have, so he may be able to track it down for you.
gnomius says:
... I think it means "your choice" between "generate a new scheme or advance one of your existing schemes", ...
That one does, but I was talking about this one:
• A loyal customer reveals the secrets of a powerful NPC, your choice

You get to choose which powerful NPC you learn a secret about. But we don't know many yet, so it may be hard for you to choose. If you have someone in mind, we can try make it be them; else we can find a suitable NPC as we play, and then you can learn their secret.
gnomius says:
... But I'm more than happy to collaborate if needed (beyond the choices I already selected). ...
I, too, am more than happy to collaborate. If you have more input about a Scheme you want to try your hand at, just say so and we will try to put as much of what you suggest into it.
gnomius says:
... Jacob will wait for Benji to (hopefully) show up ... keep an eye on the street ... plan B to go downstairs into the bookshop ...
OK, I sorta figured, that's why I paused and asked. :)

We will divert Mark and Rhiannon to your location since they suggested they were heading to Picadilly.
gnomius says:
... he's not a fighter. ...
No... He's only one of the toughest and hardest-to-kill characters we have with I'm a Fucking Demon. :)
Apr 30, 2024 4:52 pm
I think I will introduce the Jacob's Scheme when we have a moment of quiet.
May 1, 2024 4:07 pm
vagueGM says:
Ysolde says:
I may have found some really crappy apartments there.
Also a tad far away from the others, this does mean you won't be able to just 'notice something happening' as easily as the rest can. So we will need to come up with reasons for you to be 'in the neighborhood'.

I don't mind if you want to be '10 mins away' by bike (also remember about the Boris Bikes if ever you don't want to have to lock up your own bike where you are going), but I am sure you can find a really crappy apartment in Covent Garden or Leicester Square or even Chinatown or somesuch. They could be in the business/market areas and therefore not good housing. Completely up to you.

I'll take a look and edit my post for the "Crappy Apartment" also thanks for the Smart Phone!
May 1, 2024 6:29 pm
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I, too, am more than happy to collaborate. If you have more input about a Scheme you want to try your hand at, just say so and we will try to put as much of what you suggest into it.
As I had chosen Wild as the Circle involved, I am thinking that the S3 powerful NPC we need to fool is a fae (enough demons for the time being!). Perhaps the scheme can be somehow related to Jacob's efforts on finding out if the raven can live longer. Or we can leave that thread for later, if we don't want to overcomplicate this first Scheme.
May 1, 2024 6:49 pm
gnomius says:
... I had chosen Wild as the Circle involved, I am thinking that the S3 powerful NPC we need to fool is a fae ...
You are getting an item for Wild. The ones you are fooling a don't need to be from the same Circle. And you also probably don't want them to be S3, that may be way out of your league. :)

Unless the NPC is directly part of the Scheme they don't need to be from Wild. They could be from another Circle only tangentially associated with the Scheme. Not everyone involved in the Scheme is from Wild, there is already Mortalis involved as you will see when you learn about it.
gnomius says:
... NPC we need to fool is a fae ...
There are no fae in the city, there have not been for about a decade. Very few people have given them a second thought in a long time.
gnomius says:
... enough demons for the time being! ...
Agreed. There is more to Wild than fae and demons, though.
gnomius says:
... Perhaps the scheme can be somehow related to Jacob's efforts on finding out if the raven can live longer. Or we can leave that thread for later, if we don't want to overcomplicate this first Scheme. ...
Yes, let's leave that one till have seen it in play and have something to care about. You can also pursue that outside of your Schemes, merely using your Schemes to tide you over.
May 1, 2024 6:55 pm
It sorta sounds like Benji [ref] and Rhiannon [ref] are hoping for a surprise party attack? That would probably call for Mislead, Distract, and Trick (+mind).

This is definitely true for Benji to sneak up to them with a sword, but Rhiannon may be able to skip and immediately Turn to Violence (+blood) at range, though they will almost definitely know she is there afterwards. It all depends on what you describe your characters doing.

A good Mislead can give you a free Turn to Violence with little risk of reprisals, and even the possibility of remaining 'hidden'.
May 2, 2024 3:10 am
Yes, Benji is hoping to pull off a surprise attack. He’s mostly just jumping out and trying to stab one of them in the back before they know what’s happening though, rather than going for a more slow and stealthy approach. Should I add a mislead roll to my post?
May 2, 2024 8:33 am
oopsylon says:
... hoping to pull off a surprise attack. He’s mostly just jumping out and trying to stab one of them in the back before they know what’s happening though, rather than going for a more slow and stealthy approach. Should I add a mislead roll to my post?
Let's say yes, this time, even though it is a bit of a 'soft trigger'. The fiction in that post [ref] did not really contain any attempt to Mislead, so the Move does not trigger from there alone. To do it, you have to do it.

There were hints in your previous post [ref] that you were hiding, but that seems a bit weak as a Mislead, Distract, and Trick trigger. It is still there (mainly because I set them up with their backs to you:), so we can accept it as a first go. I sorta find myself wishing the system had Advantage and Disadvantage —even though I am not generally a fan of that mechanic— but we will have to deal with this in the fiction —which I generally prefer anyway.

Make a Move (add a roll to the post). Bare in mind the fiction of the situation when you make your choices, all options are available to you (sometimes the fiction precludes some options (like confusing them for some time), and sometimes —as now— it just makes those ones weaker).

Also bear in mind that if you Miss on Mislead you probably won't get to Turn to Violence and will be exposed. Your Blood is better than your Mind, so, despite your fears and characterisation of Benji, it may be more optimal, from a mechanical standpoint, to jump straight to Violence. The fiction of hiding and springing enables you to get a sword blow in where otherwise you would have had to fist get close enough.

It is up to you. Good luck. :)
May 2, 2024 8:39 am
Okay, no worries! I’ll go with Turn to Violence as I think it fits better with what Benji is trying to do in the fiction
May 2, 2024 8:41 am
I've added the roll to my post :)
May 2, 2024 8:48 am
oopsylon says:
I've added the roll to my post :)
That is a 9, 1 away from a 10+.

If someone wants to Lend a Hand they could possibly bring that up to a 10. This would be their 'action this round' (though such mechanics don't exist in PbtA) and could expose them to danger if they were otherwise not involved in the fight.

We will resolve this once we have seen what the others are doing. Feel free to discuss your actions here.
May 2, 2024 2:30 pm
@Ysolde, the demons are in the alley [ref], as is Jacob's shop. They are out of sight of most cars passing, and you can slip into the alley and still attack them at range with your Holy bow.

Do you still want to charge in? [ref]
May 2, 2024 2:35 pm
vagueGM says:
oopsylon says:
I've added the roll to my post :)
That is a 9, 1 away from a 10+.

If someone wants to Lend a Hand they could possibly bring that up to a 10. This would be their 'action this round' (though such mechanics don't exist in PbtA) and could expose them to danger if they were otherwise not involved in the fight.

We will resolve this once we have seen what the others are doing. Feel free to discuss your actions here.
I tried... and failed miserably. :-/
May 2, 2024 2:41 pm
gnomius says:
... I tried... and failed miserably. :-/
That's your choice, you could have chosen to fail spectacularly! :)

@Stalker05: Only one person's Help can add to a roll, but many can roll to Help. So if Mark wants to try his luck at helping Benji, that is still an option open to you.
May 2, 2024 2:43 pm
vagueGM says:
@Ysolde, the demons are in the alley [ref], as is Jacob's shop. They are out of sight of most cars passing, and you can slip into the alley and still attack them at range with your Holy bow.

Do you still want to charge in? [ref]
She's worried Benji will get himself hurt so, in this case, she'll get in Melee to give the demons another target.
May 2, 2024 2:52 pm
Ysolde says:
... She's worried Benji will get himself hurt so, in this case, she'll get in Melee to give the demons another target.
Fair enough.

Only your Bow has +Holy, which we can assume is particularly effective against demons (+2 Harm or AP, whichever is better in any situation). Do you believe there also significance to Silver or Iron with demons? Do you think that is a common or a rare case?

I assume from the description that you are using your seax?
May 2, 2024 3:17 pm
vagueGM says:
Ysolde says:
... She's worried Benji will get himself hurt so, in this case, she'll get in Melee to give the demons another target.
Fair enough.

Only your Bow has +Holy, which we can assume is particularly effective against demons (+2 Harm or AP, whichever is better in any situation). Do you believe there also significance to Silver or Iron with demons? Do you think that is a common or a rare case?

I assume from the description that you are using your seax?
I think silver and cold-iron are common it's just figuring out which one it is. So some demons it is silver and some it is cold iron maybe flip a coin?
May 2, 2024 3:30 pm
Ysolde says:
... I think silver and cold-iron are common it's just figuring out which one it is. So some demons it is silver and some it is cold iron maybe flip a coin?
Makes sense since you, a demon hunter, picked them for your Arsenal.

I agree that some sort of randomisation is called for, though, since they are not exclusively anti-demons (as +Holy might be) and they should be less effective there, but also good against vampires or werewolves or fae and such. I am not sure how we will do that, maybe it is a coin-flip for each 'demon-type', and we learn what the types are as we play and you encounter them. The Move: Put a Name to a Face could influence this as well when it applies.

I think, maybe, +Silvered might bypass some protections (semi-AP and other 'unbinding' benefits) and +Cold Iron might provide 'protection' to the wielder? Your Cold Iron weapon is a flexible Chain, so you cold use as a 'magic circle' type barrier, and other such options, it is not all about the damage.

You can always commission, or find, new weapons (both through Advancement and through the story) to specialise or diversify more.
May 2, 2024 4:14 pm
I'll promise Jacob will get you some new toys to play with, if you can get him out of this mess alive. ;-P
May 2, 2024 6:25 pm
@Stalker05: We are learning, so it is not a problem, but remember, Do Not Edit and Do Not placeholder. Aside from guessing that that was what you were doing, I have no way of knowing that you made a change to the post since I read it and that there is information that I need to go back and read again, so such things will get ignored and missed.

Once you have put something out into the internet you have to assume people have read it immediately, so don't edit what they have read unless it is abundantly clear to everyone that you have done so and how and why.

Just add a new post with the results/outcomes of your roll. If it is purely mechanical OOC choices, or needs GM intervention before you can finish the action, you can add the new post in this OOC thread.
Stalker05 says:
(OOC in RP) ...Rolling to Mislead, distract, Trick. For this move, I am choosing You confuse them for sometime and you create an opportunity.
How? And to what end? What is Mark trying to do?

The 'opportunity' needs to arise from the fiction of your action, and the 'lengthy confusion' needs that action to feasibly confuse them. Show us in the fiction what you are trying to do, then add the roll to see how well that works out, then —in a new post— show us the results of the Move.
Nice imagery with the 'water of glass'. :)
May 2, 2024 7:33 pm
I am sorry for editing the post but this is what I do with most games here since it's not possible to predict the result of the dice roll. However, I will follow the rules here onwards with the next posts.

Mark is trying to cast a spell that creates illusions about raining glass. The creatures won't expect this happening or at least try to understand who is creating a spell and thus create a confusion. I guess, glass raining all over the place will make the group run for some cover unless they are are impervious to sharp objects. Again, the target here is not to cause damage but to cause a sudden change of normal occurence to confuse these creatures. They will soon realise that the glass shards are harmless but by that time I am guessing Benji, Jacob or Rhiannon can make a move. Maybe this confusion will cause the creatures to bring out something from their arsenal creating an opportunity. This is how I interpreted the move.
May 2, 2024 8:05 pm
Stalker05 says:
... since it's not possible to predict the result of the dice roll. ...
:) Yeah, that's why we deal with the fiction up to the point where it could fail, then roll the dice based on the fiction.

The fiction must always come first. :)
Stalker05 says:
... Mark is trying to cast a spell ...
'Casting spells' is done in three ways: though your Sanctum, where you can do almost anything; through your Channeling Move, which lets you cast the Spells you know, which is currently Stun, Shielding and Trinket; and via the Let It Out Move, which currently lets you deflect or redirect an oncoming blow before it strikes, perform a feat of telekinetic strength or precision, detect the presence and function of magical items or spells, or reshape the essence or nature of an exposed object or magical spell.

You are not in your Sanctum, so it can't be that, and this does not fit the Spells you currently know (and you did not Channel).

You may be able to use the effects of one of the Let It Out options to Mislead, though this does not seem like 'a feat of telekinesis' (though I am always open to being convinced) and the only other one that could apply would be 'reshape a spell', but that would come as a surprise since you don't know about any spells in effect right here and now.

In order to use a spell to Mislead, you first need to cast the spell via one of your three methods. Mislead does not cast spells.
Stalker05 says:
... glass raining all over the place will make the group run for some cover ...
Yeah, including your friends, who are squishier and more likely to think it 'a not normal occurrence' than demons from another dimension (Wild) who think everything here is strange. :)
Stalker05 says:
... Maybe this confusion will cause the creatures to bring out something from their arsenal creating an opportunity. ...
Possible, yeah.

If you are set on this course of action and can explain how you 'cast the spell', then we can confuse the demons, but the PCs will need to Keep Their Cool to avoid also being equally affected.

What say you?
May 3, 2024 3:18 pm
I am confused now. I thought, being a narrative game, I had a little bit of narrative control. But, it is my mistake in interpreting the move that I could interject a narrative element here based upon the roll and move. I guess that's not possible with this move. If I was aware you cannot use your move in such an open narrative manner, I would have used channel instead and cast a spell to stun those demons. So, can it be retconned then?

Maybe because I haven't read the entire book. But I once played Masks and there I was told to come up with any superpower; if I could explain the move with it, then it was acceptable. I have wrongly applied that concept here. Next time, I will stick to channelling, as I guess that's the main schtick of a Wizard.
May 3, 2024 3:55 pm
Stalker05 says:
... I am confused now. I thought, being a narrative game, I had a little bit of narrative control. ...
Yes, but bounded by the mechanics of the game's Moves. The above are the three ways you can cast spells (for now). You are welcome to inject non-mechanical 'spells' (cantrips?) into your narrative, but you can't just declare that significant things happen outside the mechanics.

Once you have cast a spell, you could use it to Mislead, or to Turn to Violence, or any other mechanic, but, same way the Hunter can't just declare that they kill a guy and use the shock of that action to Trick the other foes, you need to act within the mechanics.
Stalker05 says:
... could interject a narrative element here based upon the roll and move ...
Casting a spell that has significant effect on the world and the people is a lot more than just 'a narrative element' though. But we are learning how the system works, and 'other game' assumptions will creep in. :)

The Mislead Move requires you to first establish in the fiction what you are doing to try Mislead, Distract, or Trick your enemies. It does not, in and of itself, do any of those things, it merely says how well your fictional action turned out. It might allow you the opportunity to cast a spell, or casting a spell might allow you the opportunity to Mislead (or some other Move).
Stalker05 says:
... Masks and there I was told to come up with any superpower ...
That is a specific rule specific to specific Playbooks in Masks. :)
Stalker05 says:
... Maybe because I haven't read the entire book. ...
Understandable. Maybe try read the parts extracted to your sheet. The 'Notes on Your Sanctum', and 'Notes on Channeling' specifically will provide guidance.
Stalker05 says:
... I would have used channel instead and cast a spell to stun those demons. So, can it be retconned then? ...
Sure. We are learning the system, these things happen. Better to first establish in the fiction what is happening, and clarify in the OCC if a roll is called for before rolling. Once you roll you are bound by the outcome (by the rules, on a 6-, I have to make a GM Move).

In this case the Stat difference does not result in a different outcome, so we can treat that as though you were rolling Channeling and got a 9.

Stun seems to fit what you described, and Stun can be directed to only target the enemies.

You can spend 1 of your 3 Hold and target one demon, or 2 Hold and target the whole group. They are not mere-mortals, so it won't last long, but it will buy your friends time.

Do you understand how Hold works? It is one of the most asked questions. Usually the answer is 'read the rest of the Move'. In the case of Channeling, it is you 'manna' points. You can Channel again before you are empty and keep building your 'mana pool', but remember the costs and risks, and that it evaporates at the 'end of the scene'.

on a 7-9 Channelling costs you something. Pick one of the three options. We can talk about what they mean before you pick if you want.
Stalker05 says:
... channelling, as I guess that's the main schtick of a Wizard. ...
Channelling and Let It Out are the two you can use for 'quick and dirty magic' in the field. Your Sanctum is a major part of being a Wizard and lets you do almost any magic you can think of, if you can meet the requirements.

Let It Out is very versatile, it describes its limits in very general terms. But it does comes with costs and downsides.
May 3, 2024 4:41 pm
Okay, so with Channeling, I will choose to mark a corruption for rolling 9 and I will spend 2 hold to stun the group.

Another thing I want to ask regarding learning spells. So, the options of casting a spell has: Tracking, Stun, Linking, Shielding, Veil, Teleport and Trinket. These are moderately broad categories but I can't seem to place my above description into any of these categories. So, does that mean, Wizards can't craft any spell other than these categories or is there any way to craft custom spells in the Sanctum?
May 3, 2024 5:04 pm
Stalker05 says:
... Okay, so with Channeling, I will choose to mark a corruption for rolling 9 and I will spend 2 hold to stun the group. ...
Cool. I will sum up the scene. When you respond, show us what your Channelling looks and feels like, and what using Stun is like for you. Don't feel bound by the previous description.
Stalker05 says:
... Tracking, Stun, Linking, Shielding, Veil, Teleport and Trinket. These are moderately broad categories but I can't seem to place my above description into any of these categories. ...
They are deliberately fairly broad, but also only do what it says on the tin.

What you described wanting to achieve seems to fit Stun very well. The rain turning to glass and all that is just flavour and could be how you Stun (this time). Or it could be a part of your Channelling, I don't know, you tell us.

If your previous description does not fit what you are actually trying to do in the end, then change the description if you have to. Maybe keep the old text struck-out so as to avoid confusing others who 'swear they read something about glass rain' and can not find it, some people find that sort of thing very uncomfortable.
Stalker05 says:
... does that mean, Wizards can't craft any spell other than these categories ...
Those are not really 'categories' they are the specific spells you currently know.
Stalker05 says:
... is there any way to craft custom spells in the Sanctum? ...
To quote from the book (and your sheet):
page 172 says:
...your sanctum is the home of your magical experiments and rituals, capable of enacting enormous changes or constructing new magical artifacts… if you have the time and resources to finish your work.

Given the kind of power you're capable of wielding as the Wizard, there are few limits to what you can accomplish in your sanctum.
You can definitely make or learn new spells in your Sanctum. The difficulty of the requirements will be tailored to the power of the spell. Spells that are on a par with the ones in the book will maybe take similar effort to gaining a level of Advancement (one Advance gives you 3 Spells, but that is a once off and this is 'unlimited'), more powerful spells will either have limitations imposed upon them (• It will only work for a short time, and may be unreliable) or will take a lot more effort and time.

If you don't abuse the system we can have a lot of fun with this Move (and the Workshop Move from the Veteran (or the Savvyhead from Apocalypse World)). But I also reserve the right to revisit the limitations or costs if we find that something is overpowered and is making the game less fun.
May 4, 2024 7:30 am
Does Mark’s stun spell mean that Benji can pull out his sword without being clawed by the demon?
May 4, 2024 8:26 am
oopsylon says:
Does Mark’s stun spell mean that Benji can pull out his sword without being clawed by the demon?
Yes, this perfect use of Stun did many things. It prevented two demons from getting to make a pick on the Turn to Violence options (actually they did pick to put Benji in a bad spot (choice of taking harm or losing his stuff), and to inflict harm on Rhiannon, but it prevented them from enacting those consequences), and it gave you all an opportunity to do something with relative impunity.

Benji does not know for sure that he is not still about to get whacked, but he can see that the demon looks stunned, or something, for some unknown reason.

Pulling the sword out should be easy, but may startle the demon awake again. Having seen what happened to Rhiannon's demons, and with her 'advice' (like 'be more deadly' is advice:) Benji might also think about pushing the sword further in, see if he can't take it out the other side and finish the job.

Withdrawing your sword does not require a roll (though, depending on what happens, you may choose to roll Keep Your Cool (+spirit) to avoid awakening it), trying to finish the demon still requires Turn to Violence to see how well it goes, but the demon probably won't get to respond at all on a good roll.
May 4, 2024 1:07 pm
Stalker05 says:
Okay, so with Channeling, I will choose to mark a corruption for rolling 9 ...
Hmm... We need a place to mark Corruption on our sheets.

Where do we think it should go? In the Corruption section (as the PDF sheets do it) or up with the Advancement? Scrolling down to the Corruption could become a pain, so it might be better to have it up with the rest of the things we reference often and in similar situations (Advancement, Harm, Stats).
May 4, 2024 1:25 pm
Between "Circles" and "Harm" seems a good place, if you ask me.
May 4, 2024 1:28 pm
gnomius says:
Between "Circles" and "Harm" seems a good place, if you ask me.
That is what I am thinking. I don't really want another whole section with a header, though, and it does not quite feel right to have it 'in' the Circles section. I definitely don't want to put it in the Harm section, since that implies negative connotations and Corruption is a totally valid character choice.
May 4, 2024 1:35 pm
Hmmm... true. What abou within Stats then? It's weird, but doesn't feel as odd as in Circles or Hurt. After all, Corruption could be understood as a kind of "meta stat" as it somehow defines the character.
May 4, 2024 1:55 pm
Maybe something like one of the three options now in the Test Sheet?

Note the upside-down check-marks in the Circles example. :)
May 5, 2024 12:02 am
I like the one in the stats area better
May 5, 2024 7:14 am
Ysolde says:
I like the one in the stats area better
Why? Because it is in the Stats area? Or because it is 'right way up'?

Did you see the one in the Corruption area? While it is more scrolling, there is value in being consistent with the official sheets. I am pretty much 50/50 on there vs. Stats area.
May 5, 2024 7:17 am
Ysolde says:
(in RP) ... Maybe it’s time to ask questions before I end this last one hmm?" ... she has her chain wrapped around her and can go ahead and use it to keep the thing still and then maybe get some answers.
OOC:
Using the ‘Figure someone out’ action as tying it up and asking questions.
The roll is a bit premature, but we can work with it this time.

Read up on Triggering Moves on page 37, and Rolling Dice on page 38, and then read the Trigger for Figure Someone Out in the Notes on page 80 (and in the Moves reference thread). You first need to establish what you are doing, and that it is even possible (can these guys speak? A language any of you can understand? ...) and only then roll dice.

The roll is done, so we are committed, but your results may be limited. This is just a goon, so it does not know much and "I dunno" is a valid answer (you can only learn about the goon, and its lack of knowledge is relevant).

The questions it/I can ask you in return are similarly limited, and may get uncomfortable (there is a cost on a 7-9), but we will have to see how the conversation goes.

Describe what you do next, how you go about trying to get answers from this goon.
May 5, 2024 11:29 am
@oopsylon: Benji took 2 Harm as the obvious consequence of your Miss on Lend a Hand while combating heavy-hitters [ref], that is Serious and 'needs medical attention'. See Harm and Healing. This does not need immediate attention, though.

The nature of harm and how it gets worse (if untreated) depends on the fiction where that becomes relevant. This is mainly internal and probably a concussion.

As a Vamp you have options available to you outside of hospitals (feeding? magic? who knows what else:).

Healing 1 Harm would bring you back down to Faint Harm, which will heal on its own in a few days.
May 6, 2024 6:21 pm
Looks like the demons got shattered into rocks; is there any rock remaining on the alley floor? A demonic body part can always be used in magical rituals, I guess. Can I collect some?
May 6, 2024 6:27 pm
Stalker05 says:
Looks like the demons got shattered into rocks; is there any rock remaining on the alley floor? A demonic body part can always be used in magical rituals, I guess. Can I collect some?
By all means, grab some rock litter.

Are you guys planning on leaving the rest of the mess out there?

Someone who cares can also roll 1d4 to see now many of the staves are unbroken. The still-standing demon still has its weapon, which is why the 1d4 can't go to 'none', but it may not be happy to give it up. It depends on what is done with that demon.
May 7, 2024 2:18 am
Whoops I will read up more tomorrow.
May 7, 2024 7:27 am
@gnomius: Are you going to allow Rhiannon to bring the demon inside your establishment?
May 7, 2024 7:33 am
Ysolde says:
Whoops I will read up more tomorrow.
No worries. It is early days and we are learning the system.

Your miss on Persuade will make it harder to get answers, but it does not invalidate the two questions you still get to ask because of your previous success. It does limit them to ones that still make sense after you see the consequences of this miss; it mainly means that Persuasion and conversation is probably not the way to those questions.

Persuade clearly Triggered with you threatening it (viable because it is obviously scared of you). And rolling the Move is also the logical way to further your Figure Someone Out, but every time we roll there is the chance of a miss and consequence that can change the landscape.
May 7, 2024 1:09 pm
vagueGM says:
@gnomius: Are you going to allow Rhiannon to bring the demon inside your establishment?
Yes, better inside than outside.
May 7, 2024 2:17 pm
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) I'll grab the intact wand in the floor and bring it inside too (I'm assuming the other one is with the demon left)
Just two 'wands', the one Mark picked up and the one the 'remaining' demon still has.
May 7, 2024 2:17 pm
For the record, as the consequence for the 4 on Persuading the demon, I am using the GM Move for Wild 'Pull Something from One Realm into Another', to have it get pulled 'home'.
May 7, 2024 3:36 pm
vagueGM says:
For the record, as the consequence for the 4 on Persuading the demon, I am using the GM Move for Wild 'Pull Something from One Realm into Another', to have it get pulled 'home'.
I like it!
May 8, 2024 12:37 pm
@gnomius In what form do you think Jacob provides blood to Benji? Is it Jacob’s own blood or someone else’s?
May 8, 2024 12:59 pm
oopsylon says:
@gnomius In what form do you think Jacob provides blood to Benji? Is it Jacob’s own blood or someone else’s?
Per the sheet, Benji needs human blood. Jacob is not 'human'. Does his blood work? Slightly, but not as well? How come?

And would we have any on hand, or would we need to go out and get some?
May 8, 2024 4:53 pm
Not Jacob's blood, definitely.

I'll say that Jacob gets it in the black market. There's an underground network of blood selling across hospitals in London (yeah, that precious blood needed for patients goes to vampires instead, some people would do anything for money)
May 8, 2024 6:20 pm
My default pronouns are the neutral singular 'they/them'. If I am not paying attention when I type I will probably use those by mistake when we know someone's pronouns, but when NPCs are first introduced I will probably be using non-gender-specific pronouns until the group decides what pronouns the NPC uses and how they present.

Chaudry, for instance —as introduced to Rhiannon in the RP— is open for you guys to define as you wish and as details become relevant. Follow on from what others have already defined (or contradict if you have to) and add any details you feel appropriate (or inappropriate if that is appropriate:).

If Rhiannon tells any of you about them you are welcome to Put a Face to a Name with Power and see whether you know of them.
May 9, 2024 12:30 am
gnomius says:
Not Jacob's blood, definitely.

I'll say that Jacob gets it in the black market. There's an underground network of blood selling across hospitals in London (yeah, that precious blood needed for patients goes to vampires instead, some people would do anything for money)
Okay, good to know!

@vagueGM would blood bags count as ‘feeding on someone’ for the purposes of the Eternal Hunger move? Obviously the ‘Your prey doesn’t suffer 3-harm’ option becomes a bit irrelevant but that could also just mean I have to select that as one of my choices on a hit (i.e. Benji’s prey does not suffer harm because he is not feeding on them directly). Although I don’t know what a miss would look like in that context…
May 9, 2024 10:19 am
oopsylon says:
... would blood bags count as ‘feeding on someone’ ...
Ultimately it is up to you how you want your feeding to work. Do what is most fun.

Blood bags could count as 'feeding', but probably not 'on someone'. Stored blood could be mixed and not from just one person. Standard medical ones also contain other chemicals —to stop the blood from coagulating and so forth— so might not be ideal.

As you say, 'they' obviously can not suffer harm, and you probably don't get to learn something from 'them', and a miss makes no sense. That means that you don't roll (the Trigger is not met if all the parts don't fit the fiction).

The purpose of the move is to add drama, eating a 'microwave dinner' is not dramatic, so the drama needs to come from elsewhere. There is a reason your blood-supplier incurs Debts for the task, it is not trivial to get, the drama comes from the challenge of acquiring the blood. If this requires us to rethink who your supplier is (maybe an NPC who you don't ask too many questions of?) then we can revisit that Starting Debt, but maybe Jacob is the one not asking too many questions about the 'willing' people he sends your way?

How much you can get from stored blood would depend on the fiction at the time. Where did it come from? How fresh is it? How desperate are you?

It is also possible that feeding from stored blood merely slakes some of your hunger —takes the edge off— but does not provide the other benefits, both the secrets and the healing seem to stem from the vital intimacy of the Move, no?

If it is easy to just grab a few bags and heal up, that detracts from the fundamental drama of the character and their needs. We may have to put effort into replenishing your store of fresh blood before you can use it.

Presumably if using bagged blood worked just as well as people, everybody (everybody but the degenerates who enjoy hurting others) would just use it, and there would be peace between vamps and humans?
While the idea of blood bags is cool, maybe your source instead provides access to the donor? Maybe they are willingly giving to vamps for some reward? Or maybe they are tricked into believing they are giving to 'medical research' or something (but still willing, so not triggering Corruption, that seems a bit like sophistry?). It can turn into a complicated network if we are not careful, though.

Think about what you want this to do to the story. Remember that you are a predator, a monster, maybe don't take that away with the easy-out of storing up batteries of cold blood bags.
May 9, 2024 10:38 am
Good points! I agree that blood bags undercut the drama and stakes rather a lot… The ‘Harbour’ feature specifies that the Vamp’s haven contains "emergency rations" which implies that blood bags or some form of stored blood is viable for feeding, at least for survival purposes (perhaps its unpleasant/not as tasty which is why more vampires don’t opt for that option). Perhaps Benji just relies on Jacob’s black market blood as a backup for when he can’t find any willing live prey?

And I agree with your points about rolling Eternal Hunger not making much sense for blood bags! Benji will just have to find someone to bite if he wants to heal himself :P
May 9, 2024 10:39 am
Ah, sorry, I posted in the RP thread before reading this. If you finally decide you're not happy with the blood bags approach, then we can rewind and edit my post.
May 9, 2024 10:50 am
All good! I think the black market blood bags thing works fine for Jacob and Benji’s arrangement (perhaps, as I said, Benji just uses this as a backup option for when he can’t find someone willing to let him bite them), but I do agree with vagueGM’s points about the Eternal Hunger move needing to involve actually feeding on someone so I don’t think Benji will be able to heal himself using the stored blood. Still a nice gesture from Jacob so I don’t think you need to change your post :)
Last edited May 9, 2024 11:06 am
May 9, 2024 10:56 am
oopsylon says:
... Vamp’s haven contains "emergency rations" ...
True. Though 'emergency rations' are not generally considered 'food' that people would choose to eat if they had other options. :)

This also might not be for you, you have the option of having 'staff', who are mortal and would need rations in an emergency (you could then them feed on them:), as well as people in your web who you might need to protect in your Haven in an emergency, not all games feature both a Sanctum and an Establishment with better protections than you Haven, so there may be games where you place is where people go in an emergency. But interpret these facts as suits your vision of the character.
May 9, 2024 10:57 am
oopsylon says:
... I don’t think you need to change your post :)
Well... aside from assuming the 'blood from the freezer' is microwaved first. :)
May 10, 2024 9:52 am
Being a Wizard, Mark should have some way of gaining information about Chaudry. But, I don't get which move should I use for this? Should it be Figure someone out or Put a face to the name? Or will it be a city move like Consult your contacts?
May 10, 2024 10:13 am
Stalker05 says:
... Being a Wizard, Mark should have some way of gaining information about Chaudry. ...
In the fiction, yes. You can roleplay how you do that, and your being a wizard will provide many opportunities that others would not have.

You can also just declare that they are part of your Order and tell us what you know about them. You would not roll anything (and we may have to temper some extreme statements back to 'reality'), but that is almost always an option.
Stalker05 says:
... I don't get which move should I use for this? ...
Fiction first. Moves only make sense after we have seen what you are doing in the fiction. Show us what you do (talk about it OOC if you need) and only then will we see that a Move applies.
Stalker05 says:
... Should it be Figure someone out or Put a face to the name? ...
Read the Notes on those Moves, they describe a bit about what you need to have done in the fiction to trigger them, as well as what they actually do.

Figure Someone Out is about learning motivations and worries by scrutinizing their body language, tone of voice, or other telltale clues. You need to be interacting with them to do that (though it could be in a flashback).

Put a Face to a Name is about us learning if you even know anything. It is the least 'fiction first' Move. Note that, when the fiction makes 'failure' improbable, even on a 6- the Move allows for you to still know them, but at a cost.

You can say that you probably know another wizard (you tell us how many there are in the city and if they all hang out together or whatever) and skip the Move, you avoid the risk, but also removes the possibility of learning something more on a 10+ (they are in your Circle, so you odds a good, which supports the fiction) or having them already owe you a Debt for past interactions, so there is a trade-off either way. If you roll and get a 10+ and choose to learn something interesting and useful, you are welcome to suggest what that 'something' is.
Stalker05 says:
... Or will it be a city move like Consult your contacts ...
City Moves happen in the background, when time passes. They cover what your character was doing 'between episodes' when we did not see them. I did not put them in the Moves handout yet, because they won't come up for a while.

Does that help?
May 10, 2024 12:47 pm
Mark scored a 10+. Does Chaudry owe Mark a Debt (and what for), or does Mark know something 'interesting or useful' about them?
You rolled a Move that marks Advancement. Tick the checkbox for Power under the 'Adv?' column of the Circles section of your sheet.
May 10, 2024 12:48 pm
I think I am most inclined to keep things together and put the Corruption Advancement track alongside the Circles Advancement in the Circles section of the sheet, as seen on the Test Sheet.

Opinions?

It is a bit cramped on mobile, but that is already the case without it. :(
May 10, 2024 1:22 pm
Sure, works for me. This way we have in the same area of the sheet all the bixes we'll need to be ticking during the game.
May 10, 2024 1:28 pm
I think Mark knows something interesting or useful. Oh, and one thing that I forgot to mention, I added a corruption track for my sheet under harm.
May 10, 2024 2:58 pm
Stalker05 says:
I think Mark knows something interesting or useful. ...
Do you any ideas about what this might be? We can also make a note and leave the revelation till later in the story when it becomes relevant and we realise that the thing you know is useful. If you have an idea now we make it part of the story.
Stalker05 says:
... I added a corruption track for my sheet under harm.
Once we decide where it should be, we will add it to all the sheets (while avoiding edit conflicts):.

Corruption is definitely not Harm with its negative connotations, so we will move that one to the 'proper' place once we know where that is.
May 10, 2024 3:19 pm
Maybe Chaudry is good at demonic magic because they sold their souls to demon lords in order to receive infernal magic training. They are tricked and they don't know. The demon lords just wants another potent soul to control and influence the real world.
May 10, 2024 3:20 pm
Could be. If we can make that 'useful'. We can bear that possibility in mind and see if it pans out, else learn something else.
May 11, 2024 2:50 am
vagueGM says:
I think I am most inclined to keep things together and put the Corruption Advancement track alongside the Circles Advancement in the Circles section of the sheet, as seen on the Test Sheet.

Opinions?

It is a bit cramped on mobile, but that is already the case without it. :(
That works
May 12, 2024 2:34 pm
Are we waiting for anything from me? The characters are talking and I don't want to interrupt that, but it has gone silent mid-conversation. (I know it is weekend, so no stress.)

Let me know when we want to 'move on'.
May 12, 2024 2:36 pm
I think we will go with the Corruption Advancement track near the Circles Advancement track.

Let me know when I can safely add that to your sheets (we don't my edits to overwrite anything you are doing).
If you want to make the edit yourself, you need to change the line:

[/table][/abilities][abilities="Circles"][table=rolls compact hl]

to

[/table][/abilities][abilities="Circles"]
[f=bold color:red background-color:transparent writing-mode:tb float-right]Corruption:
[f=accent-color:white filter:invert(85%)][_=0/5][/f][/f][table=rolls compact hl]


(Yes, the 'table=rolls' needs to be on the same line, else it adds a big blank space above the table.):
May 12, 2024 2:51 pm
Cool! You can update mine.
May 12, 2024 3:01 pm
Stalker05 says:
Cool! You can update mine.
Mark done.
May 12, 2024 4:58 pm
You can update mine too, or I will do it tomorrow when I get my hands on a computer, don't want to try from mobile!
May 12, 2024 5:00 pm
vagueGM says:
Are we waiting for anything from me? The characters are talking and I don't want to interrupt that, but it has gone silent mid-conversation. (I know it is weekend, so no stress.)

Let me know when we want to 'move on'.
In my case, I was waiting for the result of Benji's last Move "Put a face to a name" to see how we move forward with this Chaudry.
May 12, 2024 5:06 pm
gnomius says:
[quote="vagueGM"]... In my case, I was waiting for the result of Benji's last Move "Put a face to a name" to see how we move forward with this Chaudry.
Yeah, confusions like that are why I asked. :)

On an 8 Benji only knows what most people know, so nothing new there and just the same as Rhiannon's 7. I indicated that everyone who wanted to roll should roll (after hearing the name), we can pool what we all know after everyone rolls.

Does Jacob not know them? No roll for you?
May 12, 2024 8:18 pm
No, not really, I was thinking this time it would be more interesting if Jacob doesn't know a thing about them (as it seems he's the main target of whatever Chaudry is planning)
May 13, 2024 5:38 am
vagueGM says:
Let me know when I can safely add that to your sheets (we don't my edits to overwrite anything you are doing).
You’re welcome to update mine too whenever you get a chance! :)
May 13, 2024 6:18 am
oopsylon says:
... You’re welcome to update mine too whenever you get a chance! :)
Benji done.
May 13, 2024 6:18 am
gnomius says:
No, not really, I was thinking this time it would be more interesting if Jacob doesn't know a thing about them ...
I thought that might be the case. It makes sense that they would have tried to avoid your notice.
gnomius says:
... (as it seems he's the main target of whatever Chaudry is planning)
That is the assumption... but then, you know that they say... :)
May 13, 2024 6:14 pm
Updated my sheet with Corruption track, BTW!
May 13, 2024 6:49 pm
New Debts

Benji definitely did Jacob a favour by both alerting him to the danger and coming to his aid [ref]. It definitely seems that Jecob owes Benji a Debt for this action.

Mark and Rhiannon were tracking the demons for their own reasons (even if Mark does not yet know why). They just happened to be at Jacob's place when the action started.

Mark had no real reason to get involved in the fight, but I am not sure if Debts are involved, nor to whom. What do we think?

Jacob did call for help from Rhiannon, and she was instrumental in dispatching the threat outside. But she has not checked her messages yet and does not yet know that she was asked to help. When Rhiannon sees the message, will she claim to have been there to help Jacob and claim a Debt? If Jacob later finds out that she was already there for her own reasons and lied, it could swing the ledger the other way.
Update the Debt Ledger with any new Debts you agree on. Update both parties.

@Stalker05: Don't forget to add your own entry in the Debt Ledger
May 14, 2024 11:22 am
Jacob will gladly accept he owes one to Benji, I'll add it to my ledger.

As for Rhiannon, my understanding of our relationship is that we are partners: I provide her with material/support, and she protects me in exchange. So not sure if it makes sense to track all Debts with her, as we probably owe each other hundreds of them.
Quote:
"Expecting a visit from Sobek or shall we assume this is a new threat?"
Quote:
In the previous post "'crocodile' of small figure" should have been "'crocodile' of small figures". (See definition 2 in at collinsdictionary.com/.) Sorry if that typo caused any confusion.
Hehehe, this was hilarious! :-) I was also thinking... "What? A crocodile?" ¬¬'
May 14, 2024 12:08 pm
gnomius says:
Jacob will gladly accept he owes one to Benji, I'll add it to my ledger.
Noted it down in my ledger as well! :)
May 14, 2024 1:31 pm
gnomius says:
... As for Rhiannon, my understanding of our relationship is that we are partners ...
Any mutual arrangement does not incur Debts, they are only for when one person does something that benefits another for no recompense. Your business dealings are probably mutual, but you can still have Debts build up between the two of you when one does something purely to the others benefit (like Helping with a Move, or coming to their rescue).

We can see when that happens and deal with it then.
gnomius says:
... Hehehe, this was hilarious! :-) I was also thinking... "What? A crocodile?" ¬¬' ...
Aye, language. :)
May 14, 2024 3:38 pm
vagueGM says:
Aye, language. :)
[ +- ] Aye
May 14, 2024 3:39 pm
Nice, safe water... or wait, if not even the crocs are brave enough to swim there! Wow! :)
May 14, 2024 5:51 pm
I guess Mark really came to Jacob for his own portent's reading but he did help even the odds of winning the combat with such a big hit squad. But, then again, he acted anonymously. We roleplayed it in such a way that almost nobody knew why did the demons froze. So, I don't know if a debt can be owned.
May 14, 2024 6:00 pm
Stalker05 says:
I guess Mark really came to Jacob for his own portent's reading but he did help even the odds of winning the combat with such a big hit squad. But, then again, he acted anonymously. We roleplayed it in such a way that almost nobody knew why did the demons froze. So, I don't know if a debt can be owned.
... Or to whom, since Mark sorta helped the ones outside more than he helped Jacob. He had his own reason for tackling the demons, so he was not acting purely to help the others, I think. We can always revisit these details, doing so is part of the End of Session Move, though that mechanic is more applicable to non-PbP games.

Debts have always been a struggle for players to get their heads around. They do become more important later when they become one of the primary driving forces for Advancement, in the early-game Put a Face to a Name is often the main way to level, but once the characters know the main players in the city that tapers off and Debts between PCs takes over (especially useful in a game where all four Circles are represented by PCs).
May 14, 2024 9:20 pm
Forgot to say you can add corruption to my sheet. Should be fine right now.

Also trying to set up a scene a bit before rolling skills.
Last edited May 14, 2024 9:26 pm
May 15, 2024 7:10 am
Ysolde says:
Forgot to say you can add corruption to my sheet. Should be fine right now.
...
Rhiannon done.
Ysolde says:
... Also trying to set up a scene a bit before rolling skills.
Ysolde says:
(in RP) ... lies ... coprolites ...
This seems like it might be Mislead, but I fear you have never seen a child before! You just said this was fossilised dinosaur poo! I am not sure you if you are trying to put them off or to increase their fascination. :)

Do you want to do more setup, or should a Mislead roll determine how well it works?
May 15, 2024 12:15 pm
Just in case it’s not clear in my post, the thing Benji needs that he is Hitting the Streets for is blood :P (or, more specifically, someone to feed on so that he can heal from his head injury)
May 15, 2024 12:38 pm
oopsylon says:
... Hitting the Streets for is blood ...
They have their own problems right now. Rolling the dice is always a risk. :)

Don't forget to mark Advancement in Mortalis.
May 15, 2024 3:08 pm
Mark is going to work more on the wand to identify the demons or how it was crafted. He wants to get more information on Chaudry and his whereabouts. Will this be Hit the streets move for Chaudry? What move for the Wand, though?
May 15, 2024 3:19 pm
Stalker05 says:
... What move for ...?
It all depends on what you actually do in the fiction. Deal with the fiction of what you are doing first, then we can see if any Moves apply, don't think about the Moves and the mechanics first.

If you go out and talk to people, that might be Hit the Streets, or it might lead to the need for that move. But you know people (in your Order, for instance) who might be able to help you without needing to roll anything, depending on how you approach them. You also have 'an extremely knowledgeable assistant' who might be able to help you with answers.
May 16, 2024 2:34 am
vagueGM says:
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This seems like it might be Mislead, but I fear you have never seen a child before! You just said this was fossilised dinosaur poo! I am not sure you if you are trying to put them off or to increase their fascination. :)

Do you want to do more setup, or should a Mislead roll determine how well it works?
Yes well she’s going more for actual feces than "Cool Dinosaurs" hopefully a 7 works in misleading them.
May 16, 2024 5:32 am
I can't seem to find out if I ever named my assistant. I am thinking about naming her, Jena.
May 16, 2024 9:01 am
Ysolde says:
... Yes well she’s going more for actual feces than "Cool Dinosaurs" hopefully a 7 works in misleading them.
It is a Partial Success, so it works, somewhat. If any of the kids know what coprolite is they will be more interested than put off, but that is why it is 'partial'.

On a 7 on Mislead you get to choose two of the options, but they need to be supported by the fiction, and are about your 'opposition' which is the kids, so your options are obviously limited. Which of the options are you thinking of choosing, If they are not already covered by the response, I will try to work them into another response or later events if I can.
May 16, 2024 9:02 am
Stalker05 says:
I can't seem to find out if I ever named my assistant. I am thinking about naming her, Jena.
I don't recall them having any description before, there is a lot going on during Character Creation so I tend to skip asking questions about details that we don't need to worry about yet. As you did, we can see the details when they come up in the story.
May 16, 2024 10:47 am
I think Jena is a geeky girl of age 24. She is pursuing University education and studying occultism and its depiction in different culture. I think she is aware of the supernatural but has an inquisitive but fearful relationship with it. Jena was researching occult lore and was kidnapped by a cult of sorcerers who wanted to use her as a vessel. But, Mark saved her from them and helped her to recover from the traumatic experience. She became aware of the supernatural after that but is scared to actively go searching after it. So, she sees Mark as a capable source of all Supernatural lore and guardian who can help her gather more knowledge without directly interacting with powerful entities. That's why Mark had told her to do research and help him understand the myriad magical things he has gathered throughout his life as a Wizard of the Order.

Mark's relationship with Jena is somewhere between guardian and protégé, and an elder brother and sister. Jena finds Mark as a dependable person who can give her advice regarding her problems, and Mark finds her immense knowledge of occultism, a very useful gift on which he can safely rely (without acquiring debt). Mark once asked her whether she wanted to be a wizard but she refused, which is a big mystery to Mark. A talented individual like her would have made a powerful wizard. However, he never forced her.

By the 'well-known' place, Mark actually meant the sanctum. But, Jena knows about the Sanctum being cursed, so I guess we can change the well-known place to a local cafe, where Mark and Jena usually meet to discuss new projects and plans or everyday life. I think, Jena will be waiting in the cafe and Mark will reach there. Can you suggest a cafe close to where Mark lives? My inspiration for Jena is Scooby-Doo's Velma.
May 16, 2024 11:44 am
Stalker05 says:
... aware of the supernatural ... but fearful ... told her to do research and help him understand the myriad magical things he has gathered ...
Interesting. I like it, but just make sure that it sufficiently covers your needs for 'an extremely knowledgeable assistant'. The fiction you define may limit what sort of information you can get from her, and especially what sort of timeframe she needs to get you answers.

If we find that this is too restricting later, we can reveal new sources of information with (or to) her.
Stalker05 says:
... guardian and protégé ...
So, similar to Josephine? Is that a coincidence?

(Are you sure you want both to be 'J names', similar starting names can get confusing and lead to mistakes... (which can be fun in-game)).
Stalker05 says:
... be a wizard but she refused, which is a big mystery ...
Possibly a good source of 'reveal new sources of information with her' if we need.
Stalker05 says:
... Jena knows about the Sanctum being cursed ...
Does that mean she does not go there? Or just that she prefers not to when she does not have to?

You are not meeting at your home, does Jena know about Josephine? If so, what is their relationship like? How old is Josephine?
Stalker05 says:
... Can you suggest a cafe close to where Mark lives? ...
We can leave that vague and undefined. 'A Cafe nearby' is good enough and does not lock us down.
Stalker05 says:
... My inspiration for Jena is Scooby-Doo's Velma. ...
I don't know Scooby-Doo, but I think you have described her well enough that that lack is not significant.
May 16, 2024 1:18 pm
I am thinking Jena has encyclopaedic bookish knowledge but not practical ones. But, we can modify her later, when it is necessary and expand on her arc. I don't know why but I just came up with Jena, and you are right, that's like two women, which Mark is taking responsibility on. Though for Jena, it's a bit more closer, like brother and sister. I am thinking Josephine is at her teens, 17 to be specific. I think Jena knows about Josephine because Mark discusses life with her. Jena and Josephine are well acquainted, but they haven't formed a deep bond yet.

As for the sanctum, Jena doesn't like going there unless it is necessary.
May 16, 2024 1:23 pm
I also neglected to mention: Since Jena is your assistant, we assume you pay her, so Debts don't come into it... unless you ask her to go above and beyond.
Stalker05 says:
... Jena and Josephine are well acquainted, but they haven't formed a deep bond yet.
...
Which has been with you longer?
May 17, 2024 12:28 am
Is observing the sergeant for an extended period of time sufficient to trigger Figure Someone Out?
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May 17, 2024 9:27 am
oopsylon says:
Is observing the sergeant for an extended period of time sufficient to trigger Figure Someone Out?
That could trigger the Move, but look at the questions in Figure Someone Out and make sure they make sense for the situation and what is happening. How would your character be able to get any of these answers?

Many of the questions don't make sense (that is normal, but here is 'most' rather than 'many'):

'who's pulling your character's strings?' is not valuable, it is clearly the system and her superiors and her job. She is just doing her job and the tortoise is not her concern (tortoises can go months or even years without food, they are famously inveterate survivors).

She has no 'beef' with anyone, and is not 'hoping to get' anything from anyone, and is not 'worried about anything happening' —outside the normal worries.

She is probably not important enough to incur Debts (a nameless goon, essentially). If you want to change that, we could, but the RP already established that you don't know her, and that she holds you in low (or little) regard, so that may just set an important person in your way.
That leaves 'how can I get your character to ...', what? 'let me in'? 'not notice my sneaking in'? We already establishes she won't let anyone who does not have official business in when you made it clear you did not have such business. I suppose we could distract her long enough for you to sneak in, but then what, will that help Lizabeth or just slake your curiosity?

You could always ask her to ask the lawyer to to ask Lizabeth for permission to pop out and see you. That might work.

Or you could try to track down someone who can help you. Maybe you know someone in the police who understands how things work? Mortalis probably? You could Hit the Streets (wait long enough that they show up) and ask them for help. Maybe it is the lawyer you know?

Or, you can just wait and we can skip to what comes next. How bad is your Hunger? Does being hurt make the Hunger worse? Do we need to worry? Up to you.
May 17, 2024 11:41 am
The questions I was hoping to ask were:
 • how could I get your character to tell me why Lizabeth was arrested?
 • how could I put your character in my Debt?

The sergeant won’t help Benji in her official capacity as a police officer, but she’s also a person so she’s not immune to persuasion. By observing her, Benji was hoping to pick up something about her personality or personal life that might give him some idea about how she might be most easily persuaded (e.g. would she be susceptible to bribery? Does she have some hobby or interest Benji could pretend to share? Is there a particular cause or group she might be more sympathetic to? Is there something Benji could help her with that might put her in his Debt? Etc etc). Does that sound reasonable?

On the matter of Debts, is there a reason low-status NPCs can’t incur Debts? Even if they’re low status, they could still owe someone a favour, right?
May 17, 2024 12:05 pm
oopsylon says:
... The questions I was hoping to ask ...
Yeah, those two are the only ones that are really possible.
oopsylon says:
... not immune to persuasion ...
Yes, this could give you a route to Persuade an NPC. That is feasible. The risk of rolling is that you might Miss, the upside is that you get to introduce something into the fiction that will definitely count as leverage for triggering Persuade.

Roll Figure Someone Out and then we can see what you learn. On a success, feel free to tell us what you discover that can serve as leverage for however you wish to Persuade her.
oopsylon says:
... is there a reason low-status NPCs can’t incur Debts? ...
She is a no status NPC, she does not know about the supernatural world and therefore does no participate in the Debts mechanic per the rules.
oopsylon says:
... they could still owe someone a favour ...
Favours are not Debts. Debts are enforceable, both by the mechanics and by everyone in the world who is aware of that whole part of reality.

You could possible get her to owe you a favour, but that would be a purely fictional thing and you would need to talk to her about it to get anything from it. It could be on the same scale as a Debt, but does not have the backing as a currency that Debts do.

If we want to get her involved in the Debts system, then we will turn her into a Status-0 NPC and find that she does know something of your world. This is fine, it makes sense for a grizzled old sergeant to have seen things that are hard to explain, but she is possibly in denial about.

This is sounding more and more interesting, so if you get a Success and choose to invoke Debts, we will do that, you would need to remind her of the reality of the world, and that might have ongoing consequences. If you can get her owing you a Debt you could leverage that to get in to see your friend without needing to roll Persuade, though that would require you doing something for her first, you can tell us what she needs if you have ideas.
May 17, 2024 12:28 pm
vagueGM says:
Roll Figure Someone Out and then we can see what you learn. On a success, feel free to tell us what you discover that can serve as leverage for however you wish to Persuade her.
I’ve added the roll to my post but it was an abysmal failure, unfortunately :P
vagueGM says:
She is a no status NPC, she does not know about the supernatural world and therefore does no participate in the Debts mechanic per the rules.
Ohhh, okay, got it! That makes sense
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May 17, 2024 11:34 pm
Sorry swore I posted yesterday
May 18, 2024 10:03 am
Ysolde says:
Sorry swore I posted yesterday
It happens.

It is also three-men's-worth of stone bits. How did you transport all of them to your hunters, on a bicycle? Or did you stash most of them and only bring some samples?

No one talks about the drudgery of the cleanup after demon hunting. Everyone wishes it was like Buffy and they would just whoosh into dust. But someone has to do it. :)
May 18, 2024 1:57 pm
@vagueGM So, I am wondering if you are waiting for me to post about Mark and Jena meeting in the cafe.
May 18, 2024 2:08 pm
Stalker05 says:
So, I am wondering if you are waiting for me to post about Mark and Jena meeting in the cafe.
Yes, I said in the RP for you to describe your meeting with her. Go ahead and show us what the looks like, how that meeting goes, how you ask her for help with this, what you give her, and so on. (Up till the point where it is not clear what happens next and my intervention or a roll might be called for).

I should have followed up and clarified after you answered some of this in OCC. Sorry about that. Requests in RP call for responses in RP, but we can (as we did) talk about details in OOC as needed.

Please describe the meeting, in as much detail as you like.
May 18, 2024 9:47 pm
Stalker05 says:
(in RP) ... "you know I do the night shift." ...
What is her job? Where does she 'work the night shift'?
Stalker05 says:
(in RP) ... Have you looked into wand architecture and components before? ...
Are you expecting her to already know something useful about this stave? It is not a 'wand', but she might be able to tell you that if she knows these things.

Do wizards us 'magic wands'? If so, what for and how? Are there other common 'props' (like your umbrella or the umbrell-drawn goetic symbols [ref])?
Stalker05 says:
(in RP) ... We need to visit the Sanctum. Whatever you know, this won't be completely examined without poking into it with special care. You know what I mean." ...
I am not completely sure what you mean, but you can describe it when you get to your Sanctum.

Do you need anything from me before you go there? This might depend on the answer to the second question about how much she, as a non-practitioner, would know off the top of her head.
May 19, 2024 2:53 am
vagueGM says:
Ysolde says:
Sorry swore I posted yesterday
It happens.

It is also three-men's-worth of stone bits. How did you transport all of them to your hunters, on a bicycle? Or did you stash most of them and only bring some samples?

No one talks about the drudgery of the cleanup after demon hunting. Everyone wishes it was like Buffy and they would just whoosh into dust. But someone has to do it. :)
Let’s go with she stashed them and then came back with her vehicle to collect it.
May 19, 2024 6:42 am
Jena is an assistant librarian at a prominent university (whichever is close to our location, Imperial College of London?) and also works as a consultant in a museum, helping record history and giving educational tours. She also provides history classes to other overseas institutions as online lectures (her night shift jobs). Basically, she loves discussing history and is tentatively looking for an opportunity to pursue doctoral research.

I thought, it was a wand since I could pocket it. But I guess it was a stave. Sorry, my bad. I am thinking that, she could give me information on its crafting material. Maybe it was made with a specific bark. Maybe it has an inscription on it, or a particular design pattern around it's shaft. Maybe the head is made in a particular manner or has something else inside. Whatever information she could give me.

I think wizards have a special way to implement and focus their power. Different order use different styles. Order of Solomon uses goetic symbols drawn to focus their will and intent on the world. Another order might use wand and staff. Another order might use fetishes, while another might use elaborate hand gestures or specific language to impose their will. I was roleplaying the initial conversation with her, where I showed it and asked her initial opinion.

As for the sanctum, I am thinking it to be like a research lab, except it is exclusive to arcane related stuff. Maybe in the sanctum, we can cast complex spells, to see what's inside and how it reacts to various materials and magic. Given that those who used it were demons, doing more research might give us better insight about how infernal magic works. Maybe, I can craft a spell to nullify their staves if I meet them next time. This is also full RP idea. I am guessing the way Mark and Jena work in the sanctum is that she collects all the recorded and proscribed knowledge from the tomes and helps Mark adjust the spells while he draws the power and crafts the spell in order to create or research arcane components.
May 19, 2024 6:48 am
I stopped the RP over there because I thought maybe I will have to convince her to visit the sanctum with me. She is a non-practioner, but she has seen Mark work for quite sometime to superficially understand what is going on.
May 19, 2024 1:08 pm
Stalker05 says:
... I thought maybe I will have to convince her to visit the sanctum with me. ...
This is good characterisation, but remember that she is part of your Sanctum feature, so she should be available for your use. I like having to play out dealing with her fear of the place, so let's do that this time, but we should probably, eventually, resolve that for future convenience?

Maybe she had a scare? The curse did something to her? Maybe that was when she discovered the curse, or came to believe you about it? Or did you only learn about the curse then? Or was that the first time it was serious enough to be a danger? Once she has learned enough to cope with it, or you get that danger under control, she may be confident enough to not need 'persuasion'? We can set a Clock (a general PbtA concept that is not mentioned in Urban Shadows) and see how well you handle this situation, once the clock is filled, her (current) worry is mollified and you don't have to deal with it, but you may have to finish the clock over a few interactions.

This can also lead you towards understanding the 'curse'.
[ +- ] Footnotes
May 19, 2024 2:42 pm
I am aware of the clock concept and I think this is a really nice place to include them. Maybe the curse can have a clock and so does Jena's fear. Mark can work on the clocks as a side project in finally cleansing the curse and you can probably give another negative complication for the sanctum. I guess, Jena and Mark was aware of the curse but it was one time it became too much for her and gave her a trauma.
May 19, 2024 3:02 pm
Stalker05 says:
... give another negative complication for the sanctum ...
If you resolve a downside in the fiction we don't need to replace it. You can make your place better by working on it. By the same nature, the fiction can add more complications to your Sanctuary (or Ward, or any part of you sheet).
Stalker05 says:
... aware of the curse but it was one time it became too much for her and gave her a trauma. ...
Yes. And trying to pressure her into going now (even if that was not your intent) has made the trauma worse. I am increasing the size of the clock, making it harder to overcome.
May 19, 2024 3:23 pm
How do you want to make the sanctum scenes? Do you want me to describe what sort of things Mark does to get more information about the wand and then make a roll?
May 19, 2024 3:27 pm
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) Do I get an answer to my Move question of what he really desires that I can get?
How do you go about learning that information in this case? Body language, unspoken hints, some demonic extrasensory perception? Asking leading questions? Piecing together rumours?
May 19, 2024 3:29 pm
Stalker05 says:
How do you want to make the sanctum scenes? Do you want me to describe what sort of things Mark does to get more information about the wand and then make a roll?
You always first deal with the fiction of what you do, then we see if any rolls apply.

Describe the Sanctum. Include any hints towards the curse or the hidden secrets. Use as much detail as you like.

Then show us what you do and how you are trying to get information.
May 19, 2024 3:45 pm
vagueGM says:

How do you go about learning that information in this case? Body language, unspoken hints, some demonic extrasensory perception? Asking leading questions? Piecing together rumours?
I just asked a very straightforward question, and my idea would be to read between the lines in his response: body language, hints that are not said out loud but are still there... This kind of stuff.
May 19, 2024 4:12 pm
gnomius says:
... read between the lines ...
Is that enough? It might not be 'pressing' enough to meet your expectations of the Move, let me know. This does open up the possibility of helping Slippery Jim many times, racking up Debts from him and building your street-level network, as well as learning about the mysterious Beggars' Guild.

You can leverage this to push for more specifics of ways you can help him now. Feel free to suggest tasks you could do for him.
May 20, 2024 3:45 pm
@Ysolde, what was your intent with the 'Hit the streets (mortalis?)' roll [ref]?

By the Move you need to first 'name who you are going to' before making the roll. It is hard to formulate a response to the Miss that does not have supporting fiction, and you did not go anywhere, so all I could do was Hint at Offscreen Badness.
May 20, 2024 3:55 pm
vagueGM says:
gnomius says:
... read between the lines ...
Is that enough? It might not be 'pressing' enough to meet your expectations of the Move, let me know. This does open up the possibility of helping Slippery Jim many times, racking up Debts from him and building your street-level network, as well as learning about the mysterious Beggars' Guild.
Sure, enough to understand his motivation, for sure! Let me see if I can tempt him.
May 20, 2024 11:53 pm
vagueGM says:
@Ysolde, what was your intent with the 'Hit the streets (mortalis?)' roll [ref]?

By the Move you need to first 'name who you are going to' before making the roll. It is hard to formulate a response to the Miss that does not have supporting fiction, and you did not go anywhere, so all I could do was Hint at Offscreen Badness.
To be fair I wasn’t sure what roll to use. I figured she was more looking around the likely areas she thought the demons might have come from. So, in this case looking around the Wizard’s place but, probably not exactly going to see him personally. More, sneaking around his place and seeing if she could find some hints of demonic summoning.
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May 21, 2024 6:11 am
Okay, so Mark is working on how to nullify stave magic in the sanctum. I guess, the MC will tell me the requirements?

@Ysolde Also, just to be sure, did Rhiannon call Mark or someone else named Marc?
May 21, 2024 10:40 am
Stalker05 says:
Okay, so Mark is working on how to nullify stave magic in the sanctum. I guess, the MC will tell me the requirements? ...
Sounds feasible.

• It's going to take you hours of work.

• It will only work for a short time, and may be unreliable.
This means that, to use it:
• First you'll have to construct a magic circle around those wielding the staves.
The quality of the circle setup will affect just how unreliable it is, and if they move out it will stop working.

You could choose to offset the unreliability by doing more test-firings, but:
• It's going to mean exposing anyone nearby to serious fallout (or going somewhere where that does not matter?).

The time you need to spend means you can't really help Rhiannon, assuming she is asking for your help [ref]. If you go out and help her, you will be stuck with untested and unreliable results, but you may find other solutions in the field.
May 21, 2024 10:45 am
Ysolde says:
... To be fair I wasn’t sure what roll to use. ...
Yeah, we can't know what rolls apply till we see what you are doing in the fiction.
Ysolde says:
... looking around the likely areas she thought the demons might have come from. ...
How would you find such locations?

Did you and Benji speak about what he knows? Even though we did not see it, if you both agree, we can say that, before you split up, Rhiannon was made privy to these details. You would need to show us how you tried to follow up on that, and that might call for more rolls, based on the fiction you describe.

We won't use the previous roll for your followup, we already know it is a Miss, and it is hard to describe the fiction after we know the result. That roll stands, though (once the dice hit the table they are set and final (even if we sometimes adjust what modifiers should have been applied), and the consequence is the ramped-up stakes of the demon-bits being a problem for the kids.
Ysolde says:
... looking around the Wizard’s place but ...
What mage? Chaudry? See above. You have no way of knowing their 'last known location' or 'their place', you last heard of Chaudry years ago.

If you want to track this information down, you can try do that. Show us how.
I am also not sure what the unspoken parts of this post refer to. 'More than one' 'wizard/mage' to summon the squad? Or 'more than one' 'squad of demons'?
May 21, 2024 12:19 pm
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Did you and Benji speak about what he knows? Even though we did not see it, if you both agree, we can say that, before you split up, Rhiannon was made privy to these details. You would need to show us how you tried to follow up on that, and that might call for more rolls, based on the fiction you describe.
Benji would have been happy to share that information with Rhiannon
May 21, 2024 2:00 pm
@Stalker05 Mark, I misspelled it
May 21, 2024 2:03 pm
vagueGM says:
Ysolde says:
... To be fair I wasn’t sure what roll to use. ...
Yeah, we can't know what rolls apply till we see what you are doing in the fiction.
Ysolde says:
... looking around the likely areas she thought the demons might have come from. ...
How would you find such locations?

Did you and Benji speak about what he knows? Even though we did not see it, if you both agree, we can say that, before you split up, Rhiannon was made privy to these details. You would need to show us how you tried to follow up on that, and that might call for more rolls, based on the fiction you describe.

We won't use the previous roll for your followup, we already know it is a Miss, and it is hard to describe the fiction after we know the result. That roll stands, though (once the dice hit the table they are set and final (even if we sometimes adjust what modifiers should have been applied), and the consequence is the ramped-up stakes of the demon-bits being a problem for the kids.
Ysolde says:
... looking around the Wizard’s place but ...
What mage? Chaudry? See above. You have no way of knowing their 'last known location' or 'their place', you last heard of Chaudry years ago.

If you want to track this information down, you can try do that. Show us how.
I am also not sure what the unspoken parts of this post refer to. 'More than one' 'wizard/mage' to summon the squad? Or 'more than one' 'squad of demons'?
Sorry still getting used to this form of RPG. I'll add a call to Benji to get more information too and the other part is basically "When there's more than one demon there's more than one demon." basically "get a full count of all the demons you can."
May 21, 2024 3:15 pm
Ysolde says:
... Sorry still getting used to this form of RPG. ...
Quite alright. The narrative nature of 'non-traditional' RPGs is hard to wrap ones' head around when coming from systems like DnD and its ilk. My 'DnD' games were already narratively driven, so I did not know there were other ways to run games before the Bakers codified that fiction should come first and people were saying how revolutionary that idea was (there were reasons everyone kept telling me I had to try Dungeon World:).

So long as people don't get fed up with me repeating that the the fiction should come first, I am happy to keep saying it and explaining how that applies to each situation. I am used to it, and patient, so don't stress about it.

I am happy to go into more detail, or give more examples (possibly unrelated to this game) if people want. Just ask.

Remember what the book says: 'to do it, you have to do it' (page 37, Triggering Moves). It might help to carefully read each move and the accompanying notes to see what they say about what needs to happen before a roll is called for, but most of them boil down to 'do it in the fiction, only roll when you need to, and when none of us know what will happen next'.
Ysolde says:
... "When there's more than one demon there's more than one demon." ...
Can't argue with that logic. :)
May 21, 2024 4:53 pm
Okay, so Mark is going to spend more time researching on the wand, to complete the time requirement part of the spell. I don't know how long Rhiannon has been searching about the demons but I am guessing it is also a long time. Can we coincide her calling Mark and Mark's completion of the time requirement or is it going to take more long time?
May 22, 2024 7:18 am
Stalker05 says:
... Can we coincide her calling Mark and Mark's completion of the time requirement ...
The time requirement is a cost, it means you can't really help Rhiannon. If you want to help with the other work (and there are direct ways you —and you in particular— can help find the kids) then you can't take the time to do your research. If it conveniently ended at the point where other things came up it would not actually 'cost' you anything. So it is one or the other, but you get to choose.
May 22, 2024 8:12 am
@Ysolde Mark doesn't seem outright unwilling to help you. He is just thinking that his work will obtain better result. You can try to convince him by maybe owing a debt.

@vagueGM I do not have the tracking spell, so I guess if I do want to track these demons it will be done in Sanctum?
May 23, 2024 7:50 am
Stalker05 says:
... I do not have the tracking spell, so I guess if I do want to track these demons it will be done in Sanctum?
Yes, you can do that from your Sanctum. You have a part of the demons, so you can use that to find the other parts.

It will be easy enough for you to get the current locations of the other bits on a map. If you wanted to make something that could follow them as they move, that will require more and we will have to talk about it.

Anything other than tracking the matching bits will be a lot harder, trying to find the unbroken demon that got away would be hard, and trying to find other summoned demons or the summoner would be very, very hard.
May 23, 2024 12:23 pm
Hey just a heads up that I probably won’t be able to post tomorrow!
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May 23, 2024 4:02 pm
Stalker05 says:
(in RP) ..."The museum is your work place. ..."
It is also where a 'treasure hunt' is/was taking place [ref] [ref], and you may have coincidentally heard mention of an archaeology school outing that also had a treasure hunt component [ref], where do we think that might have ended up? :)

If you do the quick location tracking [ref] you will find there are a few bits outside Jacob's —in the drains and cracks— a large collection wherever Rhiannon stashed the remains, ... and at least one piece at the museum... Oh No!

(I have not defined which of the many museums we are taking about, but they are one and the same. Also close enough that the school expedition could get there easily enough. We can define it when we need to.)
OOC:
I don't want to force you to go anywhere, we can find another place.

I am just working with what you guys gave me: the coprolite leading to archaeology, and Jena working at the museum doing educational tours, and smashing them together with your asking her for a place to meet. :)
May 23, 2024 4:02 pm
oopsylon says:
Hey just a heads up that I probably won’t be able to post tomorrow!
Cool, let's leave any followup scenes with Rhiannon's doctor [ref] till later in the day then, give her time to do other things in the meantime. Let us know when you are back and we can pick it up again.
May 24, 2024 9:31 am
@Ysolde Remember that oopsylon is not around (see above), so Benji's scene will have to wait.

Do you want to deal with Jacobs's question first and get back to Benji later? It is up to you if you know anything or if you have to ask around or hit the books, or you could roll Put a Face to a Name (with Wild) to see if you have had dealings there.

I don't know what you were doing at Green Park station (if you actually went and did not get sidetracked by other things) [ref], maybe Benji would be more able to get answers from such a place once you have helped him with the doctor, so we can come back to that as well?
May 24, 2024 9:32 am
@Stalker05: Please continue. If you did the quick divination/tracking show us that, else take us to the museum with what knowledge you do have.
May 24, 2024 9:35 pm
@VagueGm Sorry missed they were out. I’ll have her over at the station in the meantime…just assume my second post is earlier in the day from my first
May 25, 2024 4:49 am
I’m back now and can post whenever Rhiannon’s done with her previous scene! Also, I’m happy to go looking for some bad guys to chomp on if Rhiannon would rather do that then go to her ex-girlfriend for help. (Presumably Benji also has a few other willing blood donors he knows other than Lizabeth but it felt a bit cheap to just keep rolling Hit the Streets for blood until I got a success…) In any case, Benji will definitely help Rhiannon track down the demons afterward and I think he probably owes her a Debt for going out of her way to help him!
May 25, 2024 8:10 am
Ysolde says:
... just assume my second post is earlier in the day from my first ...
Of course. Having things happen out of order is a common part of PbP.

But oopsylon is back, so we can pick up from there. You can pick him up and introduce us to your Ex and her place of work.
What was the roll to 'Persuade Charles to help Benji' [ref]? I did not see anything in the fiction where anything like that was happening. This means I can't find appropriate GM Moves as the consequence for the Miss on that roll and we would not know how to respond on a Success. I will have to work that consequence into whatever happens next.

Remember to give us the fiction first, then we can talk about if a roll is needed.
May 25, 2024 8:12 am
oopsylon says:
... I’m happy to go looking for some bad guys to chomp on ...
Sounds like fun. But bear in mind that they are still 'unwilling', so feeding on them will still Trigger Corruption, even for 'bad guys'.
oopsylon says:
... Presumably Benji also has a few other willing blood donors ...
Presumably so.
oopsylon says:
... felt a bit cheap to just keep rolling Hit the Streets for blood until I got a success ...
Yeah, we can decide that failing to find the thing you want means it is not available for a time, not just that that persons was unavailable.

But you can also try again later. Remember that if you keep rolling until you get a Success, you are rolling Misses until you do, and every Miss adds complications like Lizabeth's arrest and then that becoming a serious issue (due to another Miss) and not just a mistaken identity or something simple. Rolls are risky and complicate the story.
oopsylon says:
... I think he probably owes her a Debt for going out of her way to help him! ...
Yes, Benji presumably owes Rhiannon for the in introduction (or you could be Cashing in a Debt to get her to make the introduction, you guys choose), Benji will then owe the doctor a Debt for the service, and Rhiannon may end up owing her a Debt (or a date?) for seeing you, but we will know more after the fact.
May 25, 2024 11:46 pm
vagueGM says:

What was the roll to 'Persuade Charles to help Benji' [ref]? I
That was an unintentional roll. I had a different scenario then changed mid typing and forgot to remove the roll before I posted.
May 26, 2024 5:13 am
A cyclone is going to hit my location today. I might not be able to post for 1 or 2 days, depending on the situation of the network connection. I will be back again once everything settles, hopefully by Tuesday or Wednesday. Please NPC me for this time. Mark will try to infuse more energy to the stave and want to unravel the magic to nullify them.
May 26, 2024 8:07 am
Ouch... I guess that's not a metaphorical cyclone, but an actual one... O_o
Stay safe!
May 26, 2024 8:20 am
Ysolde says:
That was an unintentional roll. I had a different scenario then changed mid typing and forgot to remove the roll before I posted.
It sure looked that way. :)

Let's ignore that roll then, this time.
May 26, 2024 8:20 am
Stalker05 says:
A cyclone is going to hit my location today. I might not be able to post for 1 or 2 days ...
Stay safe. We will work around you.

Mark is a few hours ahead of most of the others anyway.
May 27, 2024 7:24 am
Ysolde says:
(in RP) ...... She just says, "Just keep an eye on the stone. If it starts moving put it in some holy water or something." ...
OOC:
Persuade the assistant to keep an eye on the rock.
Remember that you have to meet the Move trigger requirement before you can roll the Move, Persuade says 'When you persuade an NPC with seduction, promises, or threats' and you did none of those three things. The Notes section reiterates this by stating 'Simply reasoning with them isn't enough here; you have to have some leverage for the move to trigger.'

You were just asking him to do something reasonable, you don't roll for that. But you did, so now I need to come up with how to use the rule: 'On a 7-9, they counter your offer or demand payment'. Your social life is getting crowded. :) (Say if this is a problem and we can change it, and you can turn him down.)
May 27, 2024 3:26 pm
Hi there!

Just a quick note to say that tomorrow I'll be travelling, so I'm not sure I'll have time to post. Warning just in case!
May 27, 2024 8:32 pm
gnomius says:
Just a quick note to say that tomorrow I'll be travelling, so I'm not sure I'll have time to post. ...
Thanks we will work around you if need be.
I hope you don't mind my countering your 'Once he's sure he's alone and unheard' [ref] with a sneaky street urchin [ref], I worry we might not get anywhere without intervention. :)
May 27, 2024 10:15 pm
Not at all! Your countering is more than welcome in this case. :)
May 29, 2024 2:46 pm
oopsylon says:
(OOC in RP) ... I think it’s a lot of hissing and kicking and snarling ... Not sure if Cold-Blooded applies here… He is certainly behaving in an off-putting/inhuman way ...
That does sound a lot like the description of Cold-Blooded from the Notes section of your character Sheet. But the part that was in the In-Character bit —'... He hisses and snarls and bares his fangs ...'— also sounds much like how any desperate person might act (s/fangs/teeth/).

It would be a 9 anyway —which is why it is hard to make these decisions after the roll results are known— and the costs for Cold-Blooded would be different to those of Keep Your Cool. Cold-Blooded might scare Bev off, make her think you are a monster, and mean she won't be happy treating you in the future, while Keep Your Cool would probably affect you more and could mean you can't stand the treatment and get the choice to scare Bev or have her have to stop.

No matter the choice, you did roll a Success on the Move, even if it is Partial, so you manage to avoid hurting them.

Rhiannon can try to hold you down well enough to save you from that outcome. I am not sure what roll that would be, it is not often that someone can roll Lend a Hand on Keep Your Cool, but it could apply now (if you are using Cold-Blooded for the 9) and she takes desperate steps to restrain you. I am not sure what that would look like, though. The consequences on a 7-9 would depend on how it is described and what she is most trying to avoid (which is probably 'scaring Bev so much that she is unwilling to help in the future'?), and another roll could make things worse.

We can decide between us what we want to do, and then pick up the scene with what comes next.

Ask questions till everything is clear.
May 29, 2024 3:05 pm
vagueGM says:
That does sound a lot like the description of Cold-Blooded from the Notes section of your character Sheet. But the part that was in the In-Character bit —'... He hisses and snarls and bares his fangs ...'— also sounds much like how any desperate person might act (s/fangs/teeth/).
I was imagining it as a bit more animalistic than would be typical for a human, I think. Like the veneer of humanity has vanished and he is just in full feral vampire mode. If you think that’s enough to qualify for the Cold-Blooded move, it was my intent to use that move if possible so we’ll go with a Cold-Blooded 9 (or potentially a 10 if Rhiannon wants to lend a hand).
May 29, 2024 3:10 pm
oopsylon says:
... I was imagining it as a bit more animalistic than would be typical for a human ...
OK, let's go with that then.
oopsylon says:
... potentially a 10 if Rhiannon wants to lend a hand ...
Let's try for that, it makes sense to Lend a Hand here.
May 29, 2024 7:23 pm
Okay, the cyclone is gone and I am fine now. I will read on what's happening and post tomorrow. Mark will enter the museum and work on the stave again.
May 29, 2024 7:26 pm
Glad to hear it.

Nothing has changed for Mark's story, so jump right in and meet Jena when you are ready.
May 30, 2024 7:25 am
@vagueGM Do you want me to describe Jena's action or where she takes Mark?
May 30, 2024 8:48 am
Stalker05 says:
Do you want me to describe Jena's action or where she takes Mark?
I left that open for you to do so if you wanted. Supply as much details you like, I will fill in the rest.
May 30, 2024 2:09 pm
Missed yesterday because I took a decent chunk off my finger with a knife. After the urgent care visit I just wasn’t feeling up to typing
May 30, 2024 3:17 pm
Ysolde says:
Missed yesterday because I took a decent chunk off my finger with a knife. After the urgent care visit I just wasn’t feeling up to typing
Quite understandable. Hoping there are no lingering effects.
Do you want to accept the Partial Success (9) that Benji got trying to Keep his Cool [ref] while being a 'scary vampire' [ref], and accept the 'cost' of scaring Bev enough that she might be hesitant to help you again next time [ref].

Or do you want to treat your recent post [ref] as Lending a Hand to his efforts, and maybe keep things under control enough that it is 'about what Bev expected'? There is a chance you could make things worse —directing some of Bev's fear to yourself rather than just the types of people you hang out with— on a 6-, but I don't see a 7-9 adding any significant extra cost in such a situation.
May 30, 2024 6:01 pm
Do I sense any magic from the mummy?
May 30, 2024 6:07 pm
Stalker05 says:
Do I sense any magic from the mummy?
Just from looking? No. Or at least not more than one would expect from an ancient artifact.

If you want to do a more thorough check you have the option of your Let It Out ability 'detect the presence and function of magical items or spells' that might work. Or you can do research about it. There is nothing overt now.
We are also ignoring that you walked up to strange children and touched them. In this day and age that can get you arrested. :(
May 30, 2024 6:36 pm
Umm, not to be too much controversial here, I mean, Mark just patted the head of a child (touched the hair) in a caring manner. Would it be considered a 'bad touch'?
May 30, 2024 6:48 pm
Well, I apologise if this has been creepy and offensive. I will change it that Mark didn't touch the child and just talked wisdom.
May 30, 2024 6:49 pm
You walked up to a stranger and touched them? Yeah. Not technically a 'bad touch' but still. A strange child without parental supervision, yeah, that would get you looked at strangely by a 'responsible adult' were any there. Touching anyone without consent would be considered an issue. I get that you did not mean anything by it, and were being 'fatherly', so I treated it as minor rather than having the kid —who you already made nervous— make a big deal and shut down the scene.

It helps that they probably know Jena works here.
May 30, 2024 6:50 pm
Stalker05 says:
Well, I apologise if this has been creepy and offensive. I will change it that Mark didn't touch the child and just talked wisdom.
I don't think it is a problem, just a strange interaction in this 'stranger danger' world.
May 31, 2024 6:27 pm
@Ysolde, did you see my question above about whether you are Lending a Hand, or accepting Benji's Partial Success and the consequences?
May 31, 2024 6:41 pm
She will lend a hand
May 31, 2024 6:42 pm
Go ahead and add that roll. Cross your fingers if they don't hurt too much. :)
May 31, 2024 6:44 pm
Ha! Thankfully I will be able to keep the tip. I can’t believe my bread knife was that sharp!

She got a 9 so..

I’ll check in again later to post more.
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May 31, 2024 7:01 pm
Ysolde says:
... Thankfully I will be able to keep the tip. ...
That's great. Modern medicine is amazing.

You have a +1 Night Rating, so it is a 10, good work.
May 31, 2024 7:04 pm
@Ysolde and @oopsylon, this seems like it might count as 'sharing a moment of Intimacy' between the three of you? Take a look at the wording of that Move on your sheets and see if you think it applies. If so, then we can talk about how to make it work in a three-way with two different characters' Moves.
Jun 1, 2024 6:46 am
Sure! Sounds good to me
For reference this is Benji’s intimacy move:

When you share a moment of intimacy —physical or emotional— with another person, tell them a secret about yourself or owe them a Debt. Either way, they enter your Web and owe you a Debt.

I feel like Benji owing each of them a debt makes the most sense in this context (since the moment of intimacy occurred when they were helping him), although Bev is asking Benji questions so maybe he shares some kind of secret about vampire physiology (maybe a weakness that vampires usually try not to let people know about or something like that)
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Jun 1, 2024 9:15 pm
Stalker05 says:
(OOC in RP) ... Spending 2 hold to give Mark and Jena armour against anything that might cause damage. ...
By the rules you can wait till the moment right before damage is done, after the GM has declared that it happened, before declaring you want to use Shielding. But in this case it makes sense to use it as a buffer, and the protection has psychological affects that can be beneficial.

Depending on how far you are pushing the stave, you might never actually take damage, and if you want to push it to the point of breaking you guys will be safe enough (though I can't speak for the table:).

What are you hoping to achieve with this?
Jun 1, 2024 9:16 pm
vagueGM says:
... Intimacy ...
Ysolde says:
Works for me
oopsylon says:
Sure! Sounds good to me ...
OK.
oopsylon says:
... I feel like Benji owing each of them a debt makes the most sense ...
Possibly. But remember that you already probably Owe Rhiannon for introducing you to someone who can heal you. And you already Owe Bev a Debt for the healing.

Anything that comes from the Moment of Intimacy we just shared is over and above that.
oopsylon says:
... Bev is asking Benji questions so maybe he shares some kind of secret about vampire physiology ...
She would love that. But be warned, she will have more questions later. :)
Jun 2, 2024 5:18 am
I want to unlock the mystery of this magical implement and learn how to nullify it's capability in casting magic. If it's storing magic somewhere then I want to find an effective way to break that and cause spillage of arcane energy leading to the stave becoming inert. Or if it focuses the arcane energy of the user, then somehow blocking or eroding the focal point rendering the stave inert. My main target is to stop the stave from functioning.
Jun 3, 2024 6:26 pm
Okay, so this might be a stupid question, but how does it work now? Have I found a way to nullify the stave by attacking it and breaking it? Or by creating a circle and sucking the power out? Can I replicate it in game terms? Or do I need to do more research?
Jun 3, 2024 7:41 pm
Stalker05 says:
... Okay, so this might be a stupid question ...
There are no stupid questions... allowed. :)
So this must not have been one. :)
Stalker05 says:
... but how does it work now? ...
Once you know how to do a thing, you can do the thing, though you do, of course, still need to do whatever is required in the fiction.

If it is trivial, then we don't need to see it in much detail and can just allude to it, or even ignore it as a 'solved problem', but that is not the case here.
Stalker05 says:
... Have I found a way to nullify the stave by attacking it and breaking it? ...
You have learned that breaking the staves is not hard, and are pretty sure that doing so will release all the energy they have stored up. If this is a lot of energy this release will probably kill whoever is wielding the stave or carrying it in a pocket, and would probably also be bad for anyone near them.

You would need to find a way, in the fiction, to break them. The main difficulty is doing so from far enough away to be outside the blast. They are rather small for ranged attacks, but that is an option. A blast from another stave might do it too, but there has been no way to test that.
Stalker05 says:
... Or by creating a circle and sucking the power out? ...
Did you try that? Or did you just let the power you pumped in dissipate over time [ref]?

If you did the experiments then you will be tired out [ref], but not so much that it counts as Harm or prevents you from taking further action today. It might be enough that you might want to save more actions (Rhiannon's followup?) for tomorrow, but is a non-mechanical, RP issue.
Stalker05 says:
... Can I replicate it in game terms? ...
You can replicate what you have discovered in the fiction. There are no mechanics to do any of that, but your actions in doing so may call for rolls (Keep Your Cool to set up a circle; Turn to Violence or Mislead, or something else break a stave; and so on) but that will depend on the fiction you (or someone else using your information) describe at the time.
Stalker05 says:
... Or do I need to do more research? ...
You did not 'need' any of the research, but it has provided you with possible answers that can lead to solutions. More can always help, but time is a limited resource and you have already spent most of the day on this.

If we want to get the PCs back together, we know that Benji spent hours at the police station, and they can take some more time at Bev's, so we can set the phone call to Rhiannon for later in the day, or even tonight as Benji suggested exploring the rails is better left for when the trains are not all running.
Jun 5, 2024 6:47 am
@Ysolde So does Rhiannon answer Mark's call?
Jun 5, 2024 12:25 pm
Stalker05 says:
@Ysolde So does Rhiannon answer Mark's call?
Mark is a few hours ahead of most of the rest of the scenes. This is part of the reason why I had Bev put off the question of vampire feeding till another time when we can give it its due consideration. That way we can speed that scene along to catch up. [ref]

When separated by time it may be best to assume we use asynchronous communications like messages rather than phone calls that expect immediate and synchronous responses. Cell phones made storytelling way more complicated. :)
Does Mark respond to Jacob's message [ref]? Presumably he can see the message when he is done with his experiments, but you can also easily reply with what you would have said back then, and we can deal with any rolls that may have been called for as they come up.
Jun 5, 2024 12:27 pm
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) ... Basically asking whether any of them can provide access to these cameras, or know someone who can help ...
We don't know yet if the Surveyors are Power, so far these are just rumours that Jacob has heard, but we can easily turn them into a Faction if we like the idea (I was just reacting to the sign on google maps:). If so we can see what Mark's involvement with them is, probably by a Put a Face to a Name roll.

Benji almost definitely has some knowledge of the Underground systems and hierarchies, but this is sorta far from his demesne, so it might take some work to get their help.
oopsylon says:
(OOC in RP) ... Benji texts Jacob back the name and number of the station manager at Piccadilly Circus Station ...
It makes sense that Benji would know the people at Piccadilly, we can just assume he has some level of access to the 'behind the scenes' stuff over there. But they may not talk to Jacob who they don't know.

These cameras may be useful in Benji's search for demon dogs on the tracks near Piccadilly, and maybe we reconvene there and see if there is any camera access at that location for that mystery and then see if we can leverage that into access to the cameras at Westminster Station (Debts for an introduction, Hit the Streets, whatever).
Jun 6, 2024 9:00 pm
Decided Rhiannon knows a Surveyor but, he already paid back any favors he owed. So before she "Hits the street" maybe someone has something valuable to throw in…
Jun 6, 2024 9:56 pm
We can see if anyone else has anything valuable to add, maybe they know Nigel Crane (Put a Face to a Name) and are owed a favour? Else you will need to persuade Nigel to meet with you (though if you Hit the Streets we probably assume they are willing to meet?) then may need to negotiate with Nigel to gain access to that information.
Jun 7, 2024 7:26 am
So I would like to know more about the Surveyors. Will I be using put a name to the face? Which circle will I be rolling with?
Jun 7, 2024 11:37 am
Rhiannon says:
Texting Jacob: "I know one of them. They don’t owe me any favors though so, depending on his mood he might or might not help me. His Name is Nigel Crane, he’s a bit of a snob but he knows his stuff. Before I check with him do we have anything to sweeten the pot or should I just offer him a favor?
Sorry, now I got lost. I was texting Mark about the Surveyors, so not sure how Rhiannon got in all this. :-) Perhaps we can sort this out just by saying we have a messaging group all of us?
Jun 7, 2024 3:04 pm
Stalker05 says:
So I would like to know more about the Surveyors. Will I be using put a name to the face? Which circle will I be rolling with?
Technically Put a Face to a Name applies to people, not Factions, but we can also use it to determine if, and how well, you know a Faction by using it on a the first member of that Faction you encounter.

You can also just say you have or have not heard of them or their Faction independently. If you haven't and no one else has then they can be a nobody or a mystery you can examine later, but there is little reason to say you don't know someone who has been established as an actor in the city —as happened here— so we probably only use this choice if none of the players know of them.

If anyone knows about them, then they are a mover and shaker in the city and you might as well roll the move to see. We always have the choice to say a Miss means you don't know them, and I won't force Debts on the roller unless we all agree it is more interesting.

So rolling the Move has little downside and two upsides: You get Advancement ('XP') if you have not already marked the Circle, and it might turn out they Owe you a Debt which is valuable for opening the door.
The Surveyors are Power, like yourself, but they may not be 'actual wizards' by your definition, they are not one of your Wizardly Orders.

You can roll Put a Face to a Name on Nigel Crane, or you can say you know someone else who might be in their Faction.
Jun 7, 2024 3:08 pm
gnomius says:
... Perhaps we can sort this out just by saying we have a messaging group all of us?
Yes. It is often easiest to assume we all know what is happening with each other at a reasonable time-frame. Then we explicitly state what we don't tell each other and try to keep that information compartmentalised. In a case like this there is little reason to not get everyone else involved in the question.

You guys can also decide if there are any NPCs on these message groups, and state if we are using a list that excludes anyone. Then people like Jena or Charles Whittier, or other useful NPCs can chirp up and offer suggestions if appropriate. These NPCs need not be on the general list, but we easily say that Rhiannon forwards relevant messages to her Hunters' Society if it helps.
Jun 7, 2024 3:16 pm
@gnomius, @oopsylon, @Stalker05:

Anyone who wants can Put a Face to a Name with Nigel Crane of The Surveyors. Then remember to Mark Advancement (Adv?) in Power.

This is probably the only chance you get to roll that Move on this NPC, you don't get to save it for the next time you encounter them to cheese the Advancement system. (If you did not see the message and don't engage with the story involving them then you might be able to justify rolling the next time instead.)
@Ysolde: Presumably Rhiannon does not roll, per the post where it says "I know one of them. They don’t owe me" but if you want to still roll it might turn out you Owe them which could be a fun reason why you are trying to get someone else to approach them instead of going yourself? :)
Jun 7, 2024 4:57 pm
Sure, let me roll!
Jun 7, 2024 5:01 pm
gnomius says:
(ooc in RP)To edit after I see the roll's result[/ooc]
Remember Don't Edit. Rather add a new post after the roll so people who have read your previous don't get messed up.
Jun 7, 2024 6:03 pm
Ah, okay.

But if I warn in the post that I am going to edit it, and the post is empty, that theoretical reader would check it again, right? ;-)

Sorry, just arguing for the sake (and pleasure) of it, I'm okay with your rules. :)
Jun 7, 2024 6:09 pm
gnomius says:
... But if I warn in the post that I am going to edit it, and the post is empty, that theoretical reader would check it again, right? ...
Probably. Though, when? Do we keep checking till the edit comes? Adding a new post uses the site's features to let us know.

In this case there was nothing to really add, since this Move does not have strong fiction associated with it (hence the roll without fiction first being valid at all). Just letting us know that it is time to check again would be helpful.
gnomius says:
... Sorry, just arguing for the sake (and pleasure) of it ...
Understood. :)
Jun 7, 2024 6:09 pm
gnomius says:
(ooc in RP) ... Well, it seems I don't know Nigel Crane, or I owe them, MC's choice[/ooc]
Do you have a preference? I think it may make the most sense, given that you called others for help, to not know Nigel. But you did know that The Surveyors existed, so we could explain away your knowing Nigel and Owing him, maybe it is news (bad news) to you that he is part of that Faction?
Jun 7, 2024 6:19 pm
Maybe I could know him from past times, but I didn't have a clue that he was part of the Surveyors faction now?
Jun 7, 2024 6:22 pm
gnomius says:
Maybe I could know him from past times, but I didn't have a clue that he was part of the Surveyors faction now?
OK. Let's do that. You knew he was involved with something magical, and he helped you with something in the past and you Owe him for it, but his Surveyorship is news to you.

It seems The Surveyors are both a very old and a very new Faction. We will need to see in play how that can be true. :)
Jun 7, 2024 6:48 pm
Missed Advancement Marking:

Rhiannon, Mark Wild for rolling Put a Face to a Name for Millicent Fawcett [ref]. You Mark the Circle even on a Miss.

Jacob, Mark Power for rolling Put a Face to a Name Nigel Crane [ref]. You Mark the Circle even on a Miss.
Jun 7, 2024 7:51 pm
True!

Done, thanks for the reminder.
Jun 7, 2024 10:14 pm
Hit by some bug. Hopefully feel better tomorrow
Jun 7, 2024 10:15 pm
Urgh. Hope it's a quick bug, and mild.
Jun 8, 2024 8:29 pm
Wow! Mysterious guys, these 'Surveyors'. :)

Jacob knows Nigel from before, but does/did not know he is part of this Faction [ref], Rhiannon has, at least, heard that he is with them, but we will wait see if there is more there [per the question] (no pressure Ysolde, take your time).

Do Benji or Mark know him and Owe him? It is getting messy, so more Debts Owed would heavily influence the way the story goes. It is easy to say you don't know him and keep things simple, but we can complicate the relationship of we want to steer the story that way.

These Misses don't block the story. You can still try approach them through Nigel. You can ask around and see if someone you know can introduce you (possibly using the Debts mechanic) or do research into them now that you have all realised there is definitely something going on with them (I mean: that 656!).
Jun 8, 2024 11:25 pm
vagueGM says:
Do Benji or Mark know him and Owe him? It is getting messy, so more Debts Owed would heavily influence the way the story goes. It is easy to say you don't know him and keep things simple, but we can complicate the relationship of we want to steer the story that way.
I think I’ll keep it simple and say that Benji doesn’t know him
Jun 8, 2024 11:49 pm
Somewhat better still on and off cold/hot
Jun 9, 2024 12:21 am
Ysolde says:
Somewhat better still on and off cold/hot
Unpleasant, but at least it is improving.
You rolled a 7, so at least you don't Owe him a Debt, this confirms that you have some general knowledge of Nigel and the people he hangs with, but we knew that.

I will provide some details about The surveyors and then we might want to know:

• Where do you know Nigel from? Do you know him from before he joined The Surveyors about a year or two ago or did you have dealings with him as a Surveyor? Did you work together or did you meet him at a social gathering? Do you have any details you want to add? (I can come up with answers to these questions if you would prefer.)
Jun 9, 2024 12:33 am
Rhiannon met Nigel when he was working for the Surveyors. The demon she was hunting was actually attempting to prey on him and get a member of the Surveyors in his debt. Rhiannon ended up killing the demon and briefly Nigel owed her one. However, in Rhiannon’s very next hunt she called in the debt he owed her and he was able to provide an exacting layout of a demon lair just outside of London.

Nigel is a very thin brown haired man with brown eyes. He has a taste for fine wine and can talk for hours about baroque painters and their styles.
Jun 9, 2024 3:31 pm
Mark is also possibly unaware of Nigel and he will ask around and incur debt there to know more about the Surveyors.
Jun 9, 2024 6:00 pm
Stalker05 says:
Mark is also possibly unaware of Nigel and he will ask around and incur debt there to know more about the Surveyors.
You won't know any more than the general stuff most people know, the Debt on a Miss on Put a Face to a Name is the cost for turning the Miss into the equivalent of a Partial Success and "• On a hit, you know their reputation; the MC will tell you what most people know about them."

The fact that you know Nigel well enough to Owe him a Debt does mean you have some contact and a way in to get more information, of course.

Why do you Owe him a Debt? What sort of dealings did you have with him in the past? Did you know he was one of The Surveyors?
Jun 10, 2024 4:43 pm
BTW, I guess we should add NPC Debts in our ledger as well, shouldn't we?
Jun 10, 2024 4:44 pm
Indeed we should.
Jun 10, 2024 4:50 pm
The book search is low priority, maybe the characters focus on the demon problem first and think about Nigel and The Surveyors when there is time or if they become relevant?

Where are we going? To Benji's station manager at Piccadilly [ref]? He may be able to help with both cases.

Who is going? Everyone? We can set the time to later that night, that way you can be there after the trains stop (is that at midnight?) and get access to the tracks if we need.
Jun 10, 2024 5:16 pm
I think Piccadilly's station manager is the best way forward right now, and indeed we may kill two birds with one stone. :)

I will definitely go with Benji!
Jun 11, 2024 12:11 am
vagueGM says:
We can set the time to later that night, that way you can be there after the trains stop (is that at midnight?) and get access to the tracks if we need.
From what I can see online, the last trains leave at around 12:30 and they start back up again around 5:30. Probably we should go just before closing, right? If we're waiting until midnight and Rhiannon didn't want Benji's help with anything else beforehand, Benji would probably go back to the station early to sleep and try to make some money before meeting everyone else there
Jun 12, 2024 9:06 pm
oopsylon says:
(in RP) ... "Stefano, I actually have a huge favour to ask of you," ...
Do we think this triggers Persuade and NPC? There is some overlap with Hit the Streets, but that Move does not the fiction as described here, we already know he has what you want and is available.

I suppose the Persuade 'leverage' is that you are offering him a Debt? Or is there other leverage?
oopsylon says:
(in RP) ... "Perhaps there's something I could do for you to make up for the trouble?" ...
How should we handle this? I see two obvious ways (mechanically speaking). We can roll Persuade and deal with this if we need to (as part of the 7-9 result, for instance). This may end up being Figure Someone Out to work out what he wants, 'how you can get him to help you with camera access'.

You could also preemptively roll Figure Someone Out to find some leverage and possibly avoid the initial Debt.

I am not sure, but I don't feel too keen on having two Debts for one action, so offering a Debt as the initial leverage on Persuade might mean we need to get fancy on any 7-9 results. I can make two Debts work if we have to, but would prefer to avoid that when possible. So having something else in the back pocket before the roll would help.
Jun 13, 2024 12:09 am
Yeah sorry that was a clumsy attempt at Persuade (the leverage I was trying to offer being the promise of a favour in return (possibly in the form of a Debt)). Should I make the roll or would you prefer I do Figure Someone Out first?
Jun 13, 2024 7:10 am
oopsylon says:
... Should I make the roll or would you prefer I do Figure Someone Out first?
If you are happy just Owing him a Debt then you can roll Persuade.

Anything that he has as a counteroffer would probably end up pretty much being a Debt anyway unless we want to derail the quest to do something for him first.

Do you have any ideas what he might want? To allow for future use of your Keep Your Friends Close Character Move we could use this to introduce a 'true hunger' for him if you want?
Jun 13, 2024 7:22 am
Great! I’ve added the persuade roll to my post
vagueGM says:
Do you have any ideas what he might want? To allow for future use of your Keep Your Friends Close Character Move we could use this to introduce a 'true hunger' for him if you want?
Happy to leave that up to you! I don’t have any ideas off the top of my head but I’m sure I can come up with something if you need me to
Jun 13, 2024 7:58 am
It's a 9. Does anyone think they can Lend a Hand with this Persuasion? It seems feasible that having all these fancy-looking people around might sway the station manger.
Jun 13, 2024 10:16 am
Sure, I already suggested that Jacob could be generous with them, but let me phrase that out loud and roll. :)
Jun 13, 2024 11:25 pm
Ysolde says:
(in RP) ... does a little bit of scoping out the scene for herself. Maybe something here will resonate with her senses.
OOC:
let it out: track someone or something through the city with limited information or trail
Perfect use of this power.

What does this look like? How do you do this? How are you 'actively letting out the darkness within, giving it control to get what you want'? What does it feel like?

Are you doing this now, while there are still commuters in the station and trains running? Your effect will be limited by having people around (the fiction of the situation affects the outcomes).

On a 10+ on Let It Out you get to choose whether you ignore the Corruption this Move brings with it or avoid the inherent cost, limitation, or instability. I don't see how this would be 'unstable', so your description of how you do this will affect if it 'costs' you or is of 'limited effect' (above and beyond the already limited effect from working in a crowd of civilians). Taking Corruption would offset this Move-inherent downside.

Waiting till after the station is empty (we can assume you guys will make a plan to be there after-hours?) would make this more effective as you will have a freer reign to work, but doing it now, as you stated in your post, would mean you could use the results to guide the slog of scrubbing through camera footage for who-knows-what 'clues'.

It is up to you. Maybe you missed that the station was still open [ref], or we can delay the camera access till after it closes —though that means that Stefano has to stay late and will want compensation.
Jun 13, 2024 11:25 pm
Oracle roll to guide what Stefano wants as Leverage. [Persuade 10 due to Lend a Hand 12]. Benji and Jacob directly involved in the roll.

Let's have a curved table:

Rolls

Oracle - (2d6)

(54) = 9

Jun 15, 2024 4:39 am
gnomius says:
(in RP) ... Jacob is really hoping he can just sort this out by dropping some cash, before this scheme gets too complicated. ...
The character might want to, but the game has no mechanism to solve your problems by throwing money at them.

Someone might want money as their repayment for a Debt, but that will be enough money that you need to take action in the fiction to get it, not the sort of money you have lying around. In this case what you are asking for is a fairly minor thing —risk his job by allowing outsiders access to security footage— so the compensation would be suitably minor. If it is solved by money then it might need you to sell off some valuable stuff, for instance, so this one would not be the sort of money that demands you rob a bank to get.

But, in this case, it is not about the cost of a drone or a ticket from Sheffield, that was just an example he came up with. There is a reason there is no information about this area, no footage, no plans, no satellites! I deliberately did not define where it is so we can come up with reasons for this that might tie into further endeavours in the city. If you get a drone and a family member to pilot it you would still need to contend with whatever has prevented others from getting this information before.

Remember, though, that Stefano is just talking about something he happens to want. He is not demanding you get it. If we don't want to help him with this problem we can come up with a counter-offer he likes.
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) ... I'm assuming Jacob is well off, although not rich of course.
I assume so. Your sheet lists 'an upscale house'.

But that just means you don't need to worry about money most of the time. You can use it as you did with £40 for the street urchin, but that was about how you treated them and your social interactions not the actual money (which we don't track till it becomes a problem).
Jun 15, 2024 6:37 am
Is this a situation where we have to get him the photos before he’ll show us the cctv or can we just agree to help and deal with it later?
Jun 15, 2024 6:43 am
You rolled a 10 (with help), so he is happy to help you out now, but you owe him. This is a thing he wants, but there is no urgency, we was just showing off while we bought some time to see what Rhiannon was doing (and when).

He also doesn't want 'photos', he wants to be able to (be the first to) accurately model this part of the city, photos are just one thing that might help him do that. You are welcome to come up with other options.
Jun 17, 2024 3:10 pm
Hi there,

This is to warn that I'll be travelling from tomorrow until Friday, and I'm not sure I'll have availability to post (most proably not), so please feel free to put Jacob in NPC mode these days if needed.

Thanks!
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Jun 17, 2024 9:32 pm
vagueGM says:
Ysolde says:
(in RP) ... does a little bit of scoping out the scene for herself. Maybe something here will resonate with her senses.
OOC:
let it out: track someone or something through the city with limited information or trail
Perfect use of this power.

What does this look like? How do you do this? How are you 'actively letting out the darkness within, giving it control to get what you want'? What does it feel like?

Are you doing this now, while there are still commuters in the station and trains running? Your effect will be limited by having people around (the fiction of the situation affects the outcomes).

On a 10+ on Let It Out you get to choose whether you ignore the Corruption this Move brings with it or avoid the inherent cost, limitation, or instability. I don't see how this would be 'unstable', so your description of how you do this will affect if it 'costs' you or is of 'limited effect' (above and beyond the already limited effect from working in a crowd of civilians). Taking Corruption would offset this Move-inherent downside.

Waiting till after the station is empty (we can assume you guys will make a plan to be there after-hours?) would make this more effective as you will have a freer reign to work, but doing it now, as you stated in your post, would mean you could use the results to guide the slog of scrubbing through camera footage for who-knows-what 'clues'.

It is up to you. Maybe you missed that the station was still open [ref], or we can delay the camera access till after it closes —though that means that Stefano has to stay late and will want compensation.
Sorry missed this post and wondered where Rhiannon was supposed to come in. I’ll chalk it up to the fact that my Oxygen saturation was below 90% most of last week.
Jun 18, 2024 4:13 am
Ysolde says:
... my Oxygen saturation was below 90% most of last week.
Those are not good sats!
You describe the station being dark in your post. We can leave this action till after we have looked at the security footage and the station is closed if you want.

If we do it that way, were you there when they looked at the model and the footage?
Do you want to contribute that conversation? Else we can move on with the assumption that you know what was learned there.

If you did it before, then maybe it is 'dark to your senses'?
Ysolde says:
(OOC in RP) ... Ignore complications but not the corruption
Mark Corruption on your sheet.

What you describe sounds very 'magical' or 'supernatural', so that veers a bit away from your being Mortalis. This is OK, maybe we are seeing the first signs of change within you, signs that you are not completely 'human' anymore? Interesting that this comes with Corruption (you know what Nietzsche says about staring into the void:).

Bear in mind that you are Mortalis and not 'supernatural' when you describe such things, too much supernatural description may lead to forced changes to your playbook (always within your control as the player, of course, you decide how supernatural vs human you describe your character and the system adjusts for that).
Jun 18, 2024 5:53 am
Stalker05 says:
(OOC in RP)... OOC: Can Mark identify if the demons arrived by teleporting or using any other magical means?
You don't see them appear nor see how they get there, the footage cuts out and when it comes back they are just there. [ref]

You can't tell over a camera what happened. Maybe you can develop some way to reach through video and do or sense magic, but you don't currently know of a way to do that.
Jun 18, 2024 2:36 pm
Yeah, I got some good stuff for my lungs and now I'm breathing well again.

Having been in the London Underground and the New York Subway even with the lights on down in the track area and tunnels can still be pretty dark. I was thinking she was in the dark corners and dank areas away from the light sort of hiding in the shadows around the tracks trying to find her prey. In any case lets go with she knows what happened in the conversations and it was "dark" because she was avoiding lights and cameras.

Also, yes I know she's mortalis but I do like the idea that corruption and pulling on that power brings her further from human and closer to something else. So I marked corruption...
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Jun 19, 2024 3:10 am
@Ysolde Is this ("She drops from seemingly nowhere into the group of allies. She swipes a few black feathers from her shoulder a remnant of her time in thrall to her power.") Rhiannon dropping into the middle of the scene with Stefano and the cctv? Just wanted to clarify so Benji can be appropriately startled by Rhiannon suddenly appearing from the shadows hahah :)
Jun 19, 2024 3:35 am
Ysolde says:
... lets go with she knows what happened in the conversations ...
OK. So let's set this exploration after that meeting and have Rhiannon be present while everyone was looking at the camera feeds. That way she has some guidance as to where to look.
Ysolde says:
... hiding in the shadows around the tracks ...
If you are exploring the tracks themselves, then maybe we wait for the others to finish their scene and we all do down there? That way we get to see that exploration and everyone gets to be involved. If the others think they would avoid going onto the tracks and let Rhiannon do that on her own that is fine too, but maybe we want to play out that scene rather than hide the whole exploration and discovery behind a roll?

Either way, whether you have company or are alone, you can then use your 'powers' to track down signs of the demons' passing.
If you are exploring the station itself there will not be much you can find. Its been a whole, busy day of people parading through area, so most signs will be pretty washed out. We can try to find something for you to find, but this Ability needs something to work with, it is 'limited information or trail' not 'no information'. I doubt there is much more you can glean that is not apparent from the security cameras (though it is amusing how the 'Mortal Human' goes out and gets freaky while the Wizard, Demon, and Vampire look at the mundane computer:).
Jun 20, 2024 12:09 am
Sounds good the on the tracks stuff can be after
Jun 20, 2024 6:44 am
Do we want any more information from Stefano?

What are we doing next?
Jun 20, 2024 9:07 am
oopsylon says:
(OOC in RP) ... Not sure if the abandoned parts of the station actually connect to the tracks in any way irl ...
This is your home. I assume you know your way around and know how to get places without being seen but the ubiquitous cameras.

There are cameras on the tracks, of course. But they probably are not watched all the time, right?
Jun 21, 2024 11:10 pm
Sorry double post. You might think Rhiannon is joking about the foxes but apparently they actually do take the buses and trains in London
Jun 22, 2024 8:27 am
Ysolde says:
... You might think Rhiannon is joking about the foxes but apparently they actually do take the buses and trains in London
They have adapted really well to city living.

Don't tell Stefano about them using the trains, though, he will have a cadenza about ticketing! :)
Jun 22, 2024 11:06 pm
Hey guys, quick post to let you know I'm back from my travels. I'll try to catch up as soon as possible.
Jun 23, 2024 6:39 am
gnomius says:
Hey guys, quick post to let you know I'm back from my travels. I'll try to catch up as soon as possible.
Excellent. There shouldn't be much to catch up on. If you want to do anything more with Stefano before the group leaves him, just carry on with that scene.
Jun 23, 2024 12:25 pm
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) ... now I'm not sure why we got into the tunnels. Are we going to investigate the train where the demons appeared?
I assume so. This is where the hell hound was spotted, and also appears to be where the demon squad 'appeared' in the train. The squad was not on the train at Green Park and were on the train at Piccadilly Circus —one stop later— so something happened between those two stations, so the tunnel where it happened seems like a good place to start looking?

Mark was lamenting the fact that you can't pinpoint the exact place [ref], but maybe Jacob was paying attention (while you were away) and noticed something that could help locate the spot? Or Rhiannon's tracking [ref] can point you in the right direction?
Jun 23, 2024 10:46 pm
gnomius says:
(OOC in RP) ... now I'm not sure why we got into the tunnels. Are we going to investigate the train where the demons appeared?
vagueGM says:
I assume so. This is where the hell hound was spotted, and also appears to be where the demon squad 'appeared' in the train. The squad was not on the train at Green Park and were on the train at Piccadilly Circus —one stop later— so something happened between those two stations, so the tunnel where it happened seems like a good place to start looking?
Yep! Sorry, I think I moved the scene on a little prematurely, but the intent is to investigate the tunnel between Piccadilly Circus and Green Park where the demons suddenly appeared/the Dog has been spotted and give Rhiannon an opportunity to do her tracking
Jun 24, 2024 10:13 am
I don't think anyone else was doing much more with Stafano, anyway. But, if anyone does want to say they did something before we went down to the tracks you can still show us that as part of the previous scene.
Jun 25, 2024 6:45 am
Stalker05 says:
(in RP) ... avoid his face being seen by the driver of the incoming train.
OK, it does not sound like we are taking extreme efforts to avoid being noticed. This may cut down on the time you can spend down here or result in other consequences.

Mark, do you want to roll to Keep Your Cool to see if you happened upon a hiding place sufficient to avoid notice by the driver?
Jun 25, 2024 7:08 am
Sure, I can try that. Let's see what happens.
Jun 27, 2024 7:14 am
Would 'Study a place of power' help me determine if the area is some kind of portal where Rhiannon found traces of demonic presence?
Jun 27, 2024 7:41 am
Stalker05 says:
Would 'Study a place of power' help me determine if the area is some kind of portal where Rhiannon found traces of demonic presence?
Absolutely, however, you first need to find 'a Place of Power' as the Move Study a Place of Power is not about finding them, but about studying them once you have found one. You are close though.
Jun 27, 2024 10:41 am
Sounds like some magic is trying to take effect on Mark. Can he resist it?
Jun 27, 2024 11:12 am
Stalker05 says:
Sounds like some magic is trying to take effect on Mark. Can he resist it?
Mark is an experienced magic user, so he he noticed it easily enough and can resist it without needing to roll. He has learned something about the sort of magic in use here, and that may be a clue he can pull on.
Jun 27, 2024 11:39 am
I’m thinking of rolling Let it Out again ("display your dominance; low-Status NPCs flee, PCs must **keep their cool**") to try to scare the dog off. Obviously there’s a risk that I could fail and make the situation worse (and even on a success the other PCs would have to keep their cool), but the possibility of avoiding a fight with the dog altogether seems like it might be worth it. Does the dog qualify as a low-Status NPC? Also, does growling back at it qualify as ‘displaying dominance’?
Jun 27, 2024 12:52 pm
oopsylon says:
... I’m thinking of rolling Let it Out again ("display your dominance; low-Status NPCs flee, PCs must **keep their cool**") to try to scare the dog off. ...
Sounds like an excellent plan. :)
oopsylon says:
... Obviously there’s a risk ...
Sure is. :)
oopsylon says:
... Does the dog qualify as a low-Status NPC? ...
It does now.
oopsylon says:
... does growling back at it qualify as ‘displaying dominance’? ...
I would think there is more than just a simple 'growl'. It needs to be enough to trigger the Move and scare away a guard-dog (from hell?), and you imply that the other PCs would need to Keep their Cool, so it is surely something more scary, which it needs to be anyway.

If you are referring to the text of the Move, 'low-Status NPCs flee, PCs must keep their cool', then those are two separate clauses for when you choose to target PCs vs NPCs. If you are not trying to scare the PCs away or to dominate them then they probably don't need to roll (unless it is very freaky and scares them, which we will deal with if it comes up).

Describe how you display your dominance (the others don't know about the hell hound yet).
Jun 27, 2024 1:22 pm
vagueGM says:
If you are referring to the text of the Move, 'low-Status NPCs flee, PCs must keep their cool', then those are two separate clauses for when you choose to target PCs vs NPCs. If you are not trying to scare the PCs away or to dominate them then they probably don't need to roll (unless it is very freaky and scares them, which we will deal with if it comes up).
Oh! Okay, great! I misunderstood the move as meaning it affected everyone in the scene, but being able to target it is much better :)

Rather than make a new post, I edited the existing post (and added the roll …It didn’t go great lol)
Jun 27, 2024 1:44 pm
Given the misunderstanding followed by your rolling a 4 it is tempting Turn the Move Back on you and your friends. But I don't want to induce a fear of you in them, so let's not do that.

However, it makes a lot of sense to have the dog be even scarier than it first seemed (hence not fazed by your display) and ask everyone to Keep their Cool.

We might want to discuss as a team what sorts of things could happen. Do we want to allow for the possibility of being frightened away from here and losing this thread (for now?), or do we want to limit it to things that still allow us to stay down here and finish this exploration? There will be other opportunities if we flee, but I don't want to force such a decision based on the dice.

When you roll [ref] to Keep Your Cool, think about what sort of 'costs' you might have to pay on a 7-9. The costs should not overrule the success of the Move, and need not be directly related to what you feared might come to pass, but this is something that needs to borne in mind when setting the terms for the Move, if there are no logical 'costs' on a Partial Success then maybe the Move does not apply and should not have been rolled.
Jun 27, 2024 3:20 pm
If I want to magically aid others in dispelling the innate enchantment effect of the magic, would I use 'let it out' move?
Jun 27, 2024 3:32 pm
@Stalker05: What are you worried about or wanting to avoid with your roll? What does it cost you to overcome that fear?
Jun 27, 2024 3:33 pm
Stalker05 says:
If I want to magically aid others in dispelling the innate enchantment effect of the magic, would I use 'let it out' move?
That does sound like '• reshape the essence or nature of a magical spell'.

I am not sure how much that would help with the scary dog. The dog is real, not part of the spell.

The spell might make them more inclined to 'go home', so dispelling that might make that a less likely outcome, but that takes away their choice of what they are worried about...

On the other hand, the Let It Out Ability says 'reshape', so you might be able to use the existing spell to try repel the dog? That sounds like a tall order, though, so expect high costs if you try that.

We first need to deal with the round of Keep Cool rolls, though.
Jun 28, 2024 7:40 am
Can anyone think of a way to Lend a Hand for poor Benji with his apparently-cursed rolls [ref ref ref]? We could turn that 6 to Keep his Cool into a 7. I am not sure how one would help with 'bravery', though...

By RAW we only roll the Lend a Hand Move to help, but it might make sense that turning off the 'go home' magic would 'diminish the desire to flee' and count as helping (everyone), in this case. That would mean the magic effect is gone (if Mark can do it, of course) and can not turned against the dog. We would also need to deal with Mark's Partial Success on resisting his own fear [ref] before he can act to do that.

Everyone, so far, has a Partial, though, so there is already an overwhelming desire to get out of here. "Guys? Should be just leave?"
Jun 28, 2024 8:57 am
Unless Rhiannon rolls a 10+ and acts like the brave heroine that inspires the rest of us... yeah, perhaps the fiction is demanding retreat right now.
Jun 28, 2024 9:00 am
BTW, I don't know what summer plans you guys have, but I just wanted to warn in advance: from July 8th to July 21st I have my summer vacation and I'll be completely OFF any screen.

If the rest of you can continue with the game, I'm fine: I don't want to be the one who stops everything, so you can just put Jacob in NPC mode those 2 weeks.
Jun 28, 2024 11:15 am
gnomius says:
... perhaps the fiction is demanding retreat right now.
There are two factors here, we don't want to turn these Partial Successes into Misses, but we should also keep in mind why we came down here, and it was not to fight hell-hounds. We came down to see if the rumours of the hell-hound were true (it sure seems that way) and to find information about how the demons got on the train.

We have succeeded at both our aims. So leaving a dangerous situation to do more research into this spot, or to arm up and prepare to face the hell-hound, might be what we want to do anyway?

Recklessly trying to drive the hell-hound away (and possibly trying to follow it to see where it comes from?) is still an option, but that comes with risks (both inherent and probably part of these Keep Your Cool rolls).

Decide what you want to do, then we can try to make it happen in the fiction.
Jun 28, 2024 11:19 am
gnomius says:
... from July 8th to July 21st ... I'll be completely OFF any screen. ...
Not a problem. Thanks for letting us know.

I don't 'NPC' player's characters, but then I also don't tend to play games where that is needed (mechanical need to 'have your turn'). Anyway, in a 'city game' we can easily say that Jacob is at home, dealing with his own stuff while we play on, then we can do a Love Letter when you return to see if your actions impacted our situation.
Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pm
vagueGM says:
Anyway, in a 'city game' we can easily say that Jacob is at home, dealing with his own stuff while we play on, then we can do a Love Letter when you return to see if your actions impacted our situation.
Cool, that works for me, thanks!
Jun 28, 2024 6:24 pm
Well the good news is that Rhiannon doesn’t just kill some innocent doggo.
Jun 30, 2024 8:32 am
Does the hell hound understand our thoughts or emotions or does it function like a demonic version of an actual dog? Maybe we can do a bargain, offer it better food as debt in exchange for passing without harm?
Jun 30, 2024 9:12 am
Stalker05 says:
Does the hell hound understand our thoughts or emotions or does it function like a demonic version of an actual dog? Maybe we can do a bargain, offer it better food as debt in exchange for passing without harm?
I do not know. We can decide that together.

It is a 'summoned creature' —from hell, one presumes— and may therefore be bound to obey its summoner's commands. This presents both a problem and a potential solution: It can understand enough to receive commands, but also has commands.

I think there should be a way for you to get around it without needing to fight it, if you so choose. But that will take work. Part of your '... approach, better prepared' [ref] might be trying to find a way to do this, and we can let the dice decide if that is an option, based on the preparatory Moves you make.
Jun 30, 2024 9:14 am
Aside from Benji with his 6 you all managed to avoid 'running away in a panic' or 'impulsively attacking', but no one managed to keep their nerve completely (778). Does that mean you are all shooken and want to retreat and regroup? You can phrase it however you want, and a retreat gives you time to plan and prepare.
I was not hopeful you would, but no one found a way to come to Benji's aid. @oopsylon, how does Benji react? What does he do?

Benji has had a hard day, what with the bloodloss, and the injury and the concussion. (Remember you healed 1 Harm from Bev's treatment, so clear the Serious Harm and move the description down one level (and maybe rephrase it if needed).) You can bring these elements into your action if you want, or do something else.

Maybe wait till we have an answer to the above question about what everyone is doing, if they retreat you can flee with them. But if you don't pay the cost now, you will need to pay it later, triggering your Hunger seems apropos, no?
Jun 30, 2024 11:50 am
vagueGM says:
(Remember you healed 1 Harm from Bev's treatment, so clear the Serious Harm and move the description down one level (and maybe rephrase it if needed).)
Done! :)
vagueGM says:
Maybe wait till we have an answer to the above question about what everyone is doing, if they retreat you can flee with them. But if you don't pay the cost now, you will need to pay it later, triggering your Hunger seems apropos, no?
Sure! I’ll wait to see what the others do. If the others stay, Benji will bolt and if we all flee together, triggering his Hunger seems like a fair cost instead.
Jun 30, 2024 1:15 pm
Hmmmm, I'm thinking about trying to leverage my demonic heritage. Something like pretending I'm a powerful devil that the dog should obey, instead of his summoner.

@vagueGM, do you see this feasible? I think we can translate it into a "Persuade an NPC" move.
Jun 30, 2024 1:27 pm
gnomius says:
... I'm thinking about trying to leverage my demonic heritage. Something like pretending I'm a powerful devil ...
Hmmm... There is no mechanism for that, so you would need to handle it in RP (to justify a Mislead/Trick roll). The closest mechanic I can see would be for you to trigger 'I'm a Fucking Demon' (on your sheet) by letting it attack you and brushing off its effect, this would leave you very vulnerable if the either of Mislead or Persuade rolled badly. Given time you could prepare for such a move, allowing you to do those rolls in safety and only coming back down when you are fairly confident you can do it.

We do first need to deal with the cost for your 7 on Keep you Cool, though. What do you think it costs you? Does needing to draw on your demonic nature to withstand the fear of the dog count? That will come back to bite you hard later.
gnomius says:
... that the dog should obey, instead of his summoner. ... translate it into a "Persuade an NPC". ...
Might work. If we can get the fiction to a point where it makes sense.
Jun 30, 2024 3:03 pm
I sure can try to aid Benji.
Jun 30, 2024 3:03 pm
Stalker05 says:
I sure can try to aid Benji.
How?
Jun 30, 2024 3:05 pm
Well vampires are predators right? Why not remind him who stalks and hunts the night. Who better to let his own beast be released from it's shackles of control?
Jun 30, 2024 3:09 pm
Stalker05 says:
... Why not remind him who stalks and hunts the night. ...
Could be. But this still only brings it up to a Partial Success, so it is less 'he who hunts' than 'hunters don't run away, (you coward!)'.

@oopsylon, would that work on Benji? Do you want to try it?

This also only really matters if we are not leaving anyway.
Jun 30, 2024 10:42 pm
Sure! I’m happy for Mark to try to Lend a Hand, if he wants to. If he wants to do that by ‘reminding him who stalks and hunts the night’, it seems like the obvious cost for the Partial Success for Benji would be that he needs to give himself over to his predatory instincts/true nature in order to muster up the courage to stay
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Jul 1, 2024 6:20 am
Damn, I forgot Mark had -1 in the night circle. Extremely sorry about the roll.
Jul 1, 2024 7:44 am
Stalker05 says:
Damn, I forgot Mark had -1 in the night circle. Extremely sorry about the roll.
Yep. A 6 makes things worse, amplifies the tension. :)

How does this happen? Does Mark's reminding Benji that he is a predator bring the Hunger to bear even stronger and more immediate?
Jul 1, 2024 7:46 am
Benji: If these words [ref] drive you to desperation, do you try to feed on your friends, or is the this last straw that makes you have to flee? If you flee you are desperate to feed, do you find and feed on the first person you come across or do you try to control yourself and seek out someone 'willing'?
Jul 1, 2024 11:12 am
Stalker05 says:
Damn, I forgot Mark had -1 in the night circle. Extremely sorry about the roll.
Hahaha all good! Thanks for trying!
Jul 1, 2024 11:43 am
vagueGM says:
Benji: If these words [ref] drive you to desperation, do you try to feed on your friends, or is the this last straw that makes you have to flee? If you flee you are desperate to feed, do you find and feed on the first person you come across or do you try to control yourself and seek out someone 'willing'?
This feels like it could be a Keep Your Cool to see if Benji can keep it together long enough to seek out one of his contacts or if he just attacks the first person he encounters?
Jul 1, 2024 11:53 am
oopsylon says:
... This feels like it could be a Keep Your Cool to see if Benji can keep it together long enough to seek out one of his contacts or if he just attacks the first person he encounters?
Do you want to put that option on the table? We can leave it up to the dice, or we can assume a middling success and not 'force' you to feed on some random innocent (which may be lethal as it is out of control, and may bring the authorities).

If you want to let the dice decide then we are bound their outcome and a 6- might limit you to the 'worse' options on the Eternal Hunger list, else we can roleplay it and see how it goes.
Jul 1, 2024 12:10 pm
I’m comfortable with that being a possibility (Benji is a vampire, after all) but maybe we roleplay it out and I can roll Keep Your Cool if it feels like the situation demands it?
Jul 1, 2024 12:13 pm
oopsylon says:
I’m comfortable with that being a possibility (Benji is a vampire, after all) but maybe we roleplay it out and I can roll Keep Your Cool if it feels like the situation demands it?
OK. Let's play it out I will set the up. Good to know that you are open to that as an option.
Jul 1, 2024 12:14 pm
With Benji scarpered [ref] do the rest of you call it a night too? Shall I move us out of here? If you want to you can still do any final actions in the subway tunnel if it does not trigger any followup. Or we can stay down here and keep this scene going.
Jul 2, 2024 11:30 am
@Ysolde Rhiannon is welcome to stay in the tunnel after the others leave, or we can move you out like the rest [ref]. Just let me know what you want.
Jul 3, 2024 12:27 am
Sorry, didn’t mean to miss a day. She’s heading out with a plan to come back later
Jul 6, 2024 8:28 am
vagueGM says:
gnomius says:
... from July 8th to July 21st ... I'll be completely OFF any screen. ...
Not a problem. Thanks for letting us know.

I don't 'NPC' player's characters, but then I also don't tend to play games where that is needed (mechanical need to 'have your turn'). Anyway, in a 'city game' we can easily say that Jacob is at home, dealing with his own stuff while we play on, then we can do a Love Letter when you return to see if your actions impacted our situation.
Hi,

So, I think we are now in a good moment to take Jacob out of the spotlight, and just assume he's busy with his schemes. See you when I'm back on the 22nd, and have fun!
Jul 6, 2024 12:59 pm
gnomius says:
vagueGM says:
gnomius says:
... from July 8th to July 21st ... I'll be completely OFF any screen. ...
Not a problem. Thanks for letting us know.

I don't 'NPC' player's characters, but then I also don't tend to play games where that is needed (mechanical need to 'have your turn'). Anyway, in a 'city game' we can easily say that Jacob is at home, dealing with his own stuff while we play on, then we can do a Love Letter when you return to see if your actions impacted our situation.
Hi,

So, I think we are now in a good moment to take Jacob out of the spotlight, and just assume he's busy with his schemes. See you when I'm back on the 22nd, and have fun!
Do you have a preference for how we 'explain' why we don't go to you for answers? We probably don't want to make a big deal of it (unless we do want to, in which case we can 'mount a rescue':), but someone is bound to want to talk to demons, so why don't we consult you?

It is only two weeks, so we may not even have missed Jacob by the time you are back. :)
Jul 6, 2024 6:17 pm
Yep, maybe it will just be a morning tidying up at the bookshop. :)

No preference, please feel free to use Jacob as the fiction demands.

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