Winter our discontent (OOC)

Mar 19, 2025 5:30 am
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Mar 20, 2025 3:17 am
@Delirium: I don't think you have to roll Keep Your Cool to avoid blurting out something ... inappropriate [reason]. But it is up to you if you want to. :)
Mar 20, 2025 4:14 am
Ok bravo, vagueGM, for a truly jaw dropping twist!
And one with all kinds of fun implications as well.
Mar 20, 2025 4:15 am
More fun with friends around. :P
Mar 20, 2025 5:24 am
That was a really cool twist, @vagueGM!
Mar 20, 2025 5:44 am
vagueGM says:
- Benji and Emma -
OOC:
If either of you want to Put a Name to a Face, you can do that. He is Power.
It might make more sense for Emma to wait for introductions, and then see if she can Put a Face to a Name instead, using information from the files she pilfered from Arundel ('the Arundel Files' from now on?).
I really do want to roll 'Put a face to a name', but I will have to wait until Emma hears the man's name.
Mar 21, 2025 8:21 am
Delirium says:
vagueGM says:
- Benji and Emma -
OOC:
If either of you want to Put a Name to a Face, you can do that. He is Power.
It might make more sense for Emma to wait for introductions, and then see if she can Put a Face to a Name instead, using information from the files she pilfered from Arundel ('the Arundel Files' from now on?).
I really do want to roll 'Put a face to a name', but I will have to wait until Emma hears the man's name.
Given that I also just [ref] learned that Zhiyu works/lives rather close to to where Emma lives, maybe you actually know him? That way Debts can be in play as normal. We will need to massage the facts a bit if on a 10+, but no big deal.

We could still make it work with your lunch invitation [ref] if we want to.
Mar 21, 2025 8:50 am
Howard and Zhiyu are the same person, right?
Adding the roll here, so I know which ways it goes before posting anything.

Rolls

Put a Face to a Name - Power - (2d6+1)

(44) + 1 = 9

Mar 21, 2025 8:57 am
Delirium says:
... Howard and Zhiyu are the same person, right? ...
You don't know him as 'Howard'. But it is very common for Chinese people in western counties to take on western/English names.
Delirium says:
... Adding the roll here, so I know which ways it goes before posting anything. ...
I prefer for rolls to be in the RP threads, for easier tracking, but this is one of the few Moves that does not have an in-fiction player Trigger (as well as being one of the few where 'nothing happens' is an option on a 6-), so no biggie.

You can know about the same as Benji does [ref], but you don't need to recognise him right away since you are not necessarily close with some random greengrocer from the local market if you don't want to be. :)
Mar 22, 2025 11:00 pm
A twin brother. Yikes! Well, at least she doesn’t have to worry about angering her patron… but oof. Now she’s gonna feel extra bad. She was secretly relieved when she thought Howard was still alive.
Mar 22, 2025 11:07 pm
Or he’s lying about that of course.
Mar 22, 2025 11:14 pm
Drgwen says:
... A twin brother. Yikes! ...
Is he a 'twin'? Could be, all I thought was that they look enough alike that someone who only met Howard once in a dimly-lit club would be fooled. But I have no 'plans' about that detail.
Drgwen says:
... Now she’s gonna feel extra bad. ...
Reminder: This was a followup from the Debts conversation [ref]. It is up to you if still want to Owe Howard's 'ally' a Debt, we can work out the details of how that goes as we play.

You don't know what he knows. You are a new entity in London, so even connected people may not know you yet.
Drgwen says:
Or he’s lying about that of course.
Good point. That could turn out to be the case. I never know.
Mar 22, 2025 11:23 pm
Understood. I think the actual relationship between this person and "Howard" will determine if there is a debt. If he is actually a sibling, then Yes. Or maybe a close friend/colleague. But if they are just in the same organization or something, then no.

Also, is my latest post a move? Maybe Trick or Keep Your Cool ?
Mar 23, 2025 4:47 am
Drgwen says:
... Also, is my latest post a move? Maybe Trick or Keep Your Cool ?
I am not sure about Mislead, Distract, and Trick, what is the lie you are trying to get him to believe? What is your objective? As the book (and the Notes on that Move's link) says "Mislead, distract, or trick is triggered whenever your character tries to gain the upper hand over another character..." Is that happening here? Do the picks make sense?

Keep Your Cool might be a better fit if you really care about him believing everything you are saying, but I am not sure I see what you are "trying to avoid". You have confirmed that you were there, saw Howard beginning to overdose (objection: hindsight) and left him to it. These are things Zhiyu suspected and came here to confirm.

He wants more answers, but may want to talk without an audience. If you suggest he should be speak openly, he will talk about the 'deal' from his perspective, but even if you want the others to hear about that (he will not reveal your part if he knows anything) your sister is here too.
Mar 23, 2025 5:01 am
Well, I saw her as telling at best a partial truth. Remember, she convinced Howard to OD. In her mind, she basically killed him. But the way she described it, she merely happened to be present and left at the sight of all the drugs, not just before (at least partially) causing his death. So that was the deception.

The Mislead option I was aiming for is "avoid further entanglement". But perhaps there are no moves needed here at all — that is why I framed the above as a question, after all.
Mar 23, 2025 5:40 am
Drgwen says:
... she convinced Howard to OD. In her mind, she basically killed him. ...
I don't see any way for Zhiyu to extrapolate that you pushed his brother to OD from the current conversation. That can come later?
Drgwen says:
... The Mislead option I was aiming for is "avoid further entanglement". ...
I don't think 'avoid further entanglements' is really an option? Not since I created the NPC specifically so you could become entangled, Owing him for your part. If you want to avoid those then he more-or-less 'goes away', which is fine, but you loose out on that Starting Debt?
Mar 23, 2025 6:00 am
vagueGM says:
I don't see any way for Zhiyu to extrapolate that you pushed his brother to OD from the current conversation. That can come later?



I don't think 'avoid further entanglements' is really an option? Not since I created the NPC specifically so you could become entangled, Owing him for your part. If you want to avoid those then he more-or-less 'goes away', which is fine, but you loose out on that Starting Debt?
Ok I am here for it. Let’s get entangled!
Mar 23, 2025 6:01 am
Drgwen says:
... Let’s get entangled!
Gonna make your sister jealous? :)
Mar 23, 2025 7:57 pm
vagueGM says:
Drgwen says:
... Let’s get entangled!
Gonna make your sister jealous? :)
Possibly! And definitely annoy Emma, which seems to be a recurring event... Sorry, Delirium! Hopefully the player is enjoying it even when the character is not.
Mar 23, 2025 8:04 pm
Don't worry, I am very much enjoying the scene, though Emma is racking her mind right now thinking how to get Pers to stop talking.
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