Regroup (OOC)

Cool. So we can say that Persephone and Henry exchanged numbers. Persephone can try getting in contact with him.

Maybe we see how that goes and if that impacts Emma's night?

Sounds good. And Persephone wasn’t trying to yell loudly enough for David to overhear in my earlier RP post (ref) but it was something I wanted to make available to @Delirium if they wanted to have David overhear Emma and Pers’s argument. Obviously if preferred, he could have missed it entirely too — it’s up to Delirium!

Based on Emma's frustrated, nostrils flaring, rant, I also have in my notes about David:

• May have overheard talk of demon cult sacrifice [ref] but was a bit feverish at the time.

The Demonic Rat Trio (The DRT? The DiRT?) can act independently, but are limited by their form and the situation. What would you have them do? [ref]

We should add them to your sheet, and add the Move as well: We may need to use it if you want to have them help you out.

 • Order Your Underlings: When you order your fiendish underlings to solve a problem, roll with Wild.
  • On a 10+, they follow your instructions precisely and no one can trace them back to you.
  • On a 7-9, either things get messy or you're clearly to blame, your choice.
  • On a miss, they do exactly as they are told and it leads to disaster.

I’ve added the move to my playbook (under Moves From Other Playbooks)! Should I add an Order your Underlings roll to my post? I’m not sure if it would be applicable since I’m not sure what a miss or even a partial success would look like in this circumstance as per the move’s description, but I’m happy to roll it if you think it works

If you make use of the 'one click dice roller' (roll tables) feature, then also add it to the 'Playbook Moves' section for easy clicking. Up to you.

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Probably? It sounds like you are giving them an order.
That is always a consideration. This is part of the 'Move Trigger' logic, if the outcomes don't fit the fiction, then the Move is not appropriate. But that is often up to the GM to to find ways for it to fit, the GM knows the situation better and can judge this.

In this case, I easily can see ways for this to get messy (possibly because you are clearly to blame (we don't want to put the consequence on the poor rats, after all:)). All it would take is for them to trigger another alarm, leading to these vampires believing you were trying to do something (escape or play your part in an invasion, probably, depending on how badly it goes and what the follow up is).

The exact, specified wording of the 6- outcome makes it a little hard, but I can make it work with a little creative licence.
Yeah. I think it works. Roll it if you are happy with the possible outcomes spitballed above.

Sure! I’ll do that later.
I’ve added the roll to my post! It was a 6 :P

Of course it was. :)

The advantage of Figure Someone Out is that you can know these answers to be true. Otherwise I would say: "too easy." :)

Would In Our Blood be appropriate here? I would describe what Benji said as a ‘subtle falsehood’ as per the move description in the Fae playbook (" You must deceive your target with subtle falsehoods or inventive tricks to trigger In Our Blood; you can't just outright lie to their face or throw a rock to distract them."). He was not directly lying but he was trying to mislead Alasdair with a half-truth.

I am not sure a half-truth counts as a 'subtle falsehood' or 'inventive trick'? You just omitted the part that did not suit you, this sound like any most lies? But, maybe, if that's how you want to define it. (We did comment when you took it that Benji was not a very subtle character.)
He is of the same Circle as you (Night), so the move should not apply. This is meant for people who don't understand your ways.

Oops! Yep, you’re right! I forgot about that part. I’ll do a regular mislead roll then
Just for future reference, how would you define a subtle falsehood? I interpreted that as meaning twisting the truth a bit (which is what Benji was doing here) rather than outright lying. If you have a different idea of what that means, it would be good to know that now so I know how to use the move properly in the future

An 11! I think in this circumstance, these choices make sense:
• you create an opportunity (to escape? To persuade Alasdair to let him go?)
• you confuse them for some time (the lie is not immediately revealed by the rats returning in front of Alasdair or something)
• you avoid further entanglement (Alasdair thinks the rats are gone and doesn’t worry about them anymore? This one I’m not as sure about… if you don’t think it makes sense I can choose the other option instead)

I would think it is about more than just lying? It is about 'inventive tricks' and clever ruses. If someone else could just as easily do it by regular Mislead, Distract, or Trick it is just Mislead or Trick or telling lies. Leaving out the details you want to hide is not particularly 'clever' or 'inventive', right? It's the bedrock of all lies.

But, how do you see this as being different to an everyday lie? We did not see anything in the fiction [ref] that involved much obfuscation of the truth at all, it might be debatable if Mislead, Distract, or Trick even triggered, the move is about trying to 'convince someone that the lie you're offering them is the whole truth' [ref], not about the lying itself. We kinda need to see how you convince Alasdair (he wants to believe you, which helps).

Do you think Benji will get much use out of this Move? I can see him growing into it later, but that does mean a change in his ... manner. This isn't just a 'stat substitution' move, it is about the types of lies and trickery the faeries engage in. As the book says:
Is there something else that might fit better? We can talk about a change if need be.
Great!
Sure. Show us how this gives you that opportunity to try convince Alasdair to let you go. He is lonely, so getting out of the cell is easier than getting out of his lair (or web:).
Yes, it can buy you time, that miss on Order Your Underlings is still incoming, but, if you are lucky, you may be able to get away before it hits?
Agreed. The Move only really has impact on the events at play right here and now, not on what might come in the future.
This could be that he dismisses the pocket-demon situation (aiding in the 'letting you out' goal), but it does not mean that it won't come rushing back if the Demon Rat Trio do exactly what you said and find a way through the defences and return to you... at the worst possible time.

How will you navigate the intricacies of hospitality and friendship and social responsibilities while also trying to get away before the other shoe drops? I think that is what we have to see.

Because everything Benji said was true. It was a lie of omission, as in:
I interpreted the move as alluding to the fact that in a lot of folklore, faeries can’t lie so if they want to mislead people they have to be a bit clever and lie without actually lying. Benji was doing exactly that, so I felt it matched the spirit of the move.
Perhaps. I took the move because Benji does not tend to lie directly or make things up whole cloth, but he does sometimes bend the truth or lie by omission so I thought that fit the move very well. If you don’t think that fits the move then I might need to switch to something else.

Indeed, that is how I interpret it as well. It does say 'clever misdirection', and the notes specifically call out the need for 'some degree of imagination and sleight-of-hand'.

This is more than just a simple lie of omission. At a minimum you need to actually meet that trigger for Mislead, Distract, or Trick, while also being clever about how you do it. Omitting the salient facts is certainly a part of it.
Fair enough. Maybe make the 'clever' part more apparent in the fiction. We could have run the scene a bit more to set this up if not for the 'other circle' clause.
That's why I found it noteworthy when he took a Move focused on clever lying.
We can see how it goes. In this case (ignoring the Circle component) I don't think it fit with the fiction we already had. It is not only about the lie of omission, that is only one clause in the Move and supplementary text, the intent is the clever and unexpectedly tricksy ways faeries lie and how hard that are for others to understand.

Benji certainly has a strong element of 'hard to understand', he has shown himself very trusting and honest and even naive in this dark world, so any unexpected lies from him may hit even harder when leveraged against people who know him well?

No need to roll to get him to do what he already wants to do. :)

I was going more for subtle than for clever, in this case. It’s an ‘or’ in the move, as written, so I don’t really understand why it has to be both a lie of omission AND a clever misdirection in order to qualify. Surely it can be one or the other? Reading both the move itself and the supporting text, it seems to me that the move is intended to be used for two different categories of fae trickery: subtle falsehoods/lies of omission and clever misdirections/inventive tricks. I don’t think it makes sense to say that it has to be both in order to trigger the move.