Tajanna versus Hawke, #1

Feb 25, 2017 1:48 am
Tajanna, being intolerably bored on Veil Piercer's long journey through hyperspace towards their first mission destination, decided she would much rather occupy her time with some lightsaber sparring matches against her fellow crewmates, rather than sit around doing nothing. So, on a shift that both she and Hawke were off duty, she challenged him to a quick duel.

Before the duel, Tajanna will commit a Force die to Sense: Control (Upgrade Difficulty).
Last edited February 25, 2017 1:51 am

Rolls

Cool Check: Initiative

1 Success, 1 Advantage

Total: 1 Success, 1 Advantage

Feb 25, 2017 2:03 am
Tefmon says:
Before the duel, Tajanna will commit a Force die to Sense: Control (Upgrade Difficulty).
Meribson, this means that the first attack against Tajanna each turn will upgrade one Purple to a Red.

Also, the standard difficulty for all melee attacks is two Purple.
Feb 25, 2017 2:20 am
Additional benefit of always wearing helmet: can easily hide facial expressions, Hawke thought to himself with a smirk as he stared down the chiss. Both had their lightsabers activated and on spar setting.

In addition to a temporary alleviation of boredom, this spar would allow him to test out some armor modifications and get a better feel for the chiss's strengths and weaknesses.

Wounds Threshold: 0/16
Strain Threshold: 0/14
Soak: 5 (Armor Master talent included)
Defense (Ranged/Melee): 1/1
OOC:
Operating under the assumption that the Duty/Obligation modifiers don't apply, but recent talent purchases do. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Last edited February 25, 2017 2:48 am

Rolls

Cool: Initiative

2 Advantage

Total: 2 Advantage

Feb 25, 2017 2:35 am
OOC:
I'm assuming the same, per Duty/Obligation and recent XP expenditures. Also, I'm assuming that we're starting at Short Range, Unengaged.
Finally, an alleviation of all of this boredom. Plus a chance to hone my skills and evaluate my gank crewmate. Killing three mynocks with one micrometeorite.

Tajanna stood about 10 paces across the makeshift dueling chamber from Hawke, lightsaber held high in a standard Djem So opening stance. She and Hawke both nodded at each other once, and then burst into combat. Tajanna struck first, slicing sideways at Hawke's left flank.
OOC:
Tajanna will spend one maneuver Engaging Hawke, and will then make a lightsaber attack.

Tajanna does 6 Wounds to Hawke (ignoring 10 points of Soak), and will spend 2 Advantage to add a Setback die to Hawke's next action.
Wounds Threshold: 0/12
Strain Threshold: 0/13
Soak: 2
Defense (Ranged/Melee): 1/1
Last edited February 25, 2017 2:38 am

Rolls

Lightsaber (5 Cunning, 0 Skill; 2 Difficulty, 1 Melee Defence): Ganking the Gank

2 Success, 3 Advantage, 1 Failure, 1 Threat

Total: 1 Success, 2 Advantage

Feb 25, 2017 3:06 am
Good points you guys make about Obligation and Duty modifiers, and starting engagement distance (Short). The rest comes straight from your character sheets, as is. I'll update the rules, which also now include this one: you may only use one action prior to the start of a duel, for non-attacks (e.g., committing a Force dice for a power).
Feb 25, 2017 3:17 am
Hawke's face went blank as his lightsaber clashed with that of his opponent, mind racing, analyzing.

Standard Djem So attack pattern. Textbook use. Show me something new!

Just as the annoyance began to build, surprise filled Hawke as his opponent lashed out with a strike that nearly pierced through his guard. A brief backpedal and swipe of his lightsaber mitigated most of the strike, but even so his shoulder was clipped. Taking a moment to check the damage, Hawke recentered himself before moving back into the fray with a flurry of red.

Wounds Threshold: 2/16
Strain Threshold: 3/14
Soak: 5 (Armor Master talent included)
Defense (Ranged/Melee): 1/1
OOC:
Using Parry to reduce damage
Last edited February 25, 2017 3:23 pm

Rolls

Lightsaber (4 Intellect, 3 Skill; 2 Difficulty, 1 Sense upgrade, 1 Melee Defense, 1 Advantage)

2 Success, 2 Advantage, 3 Failure, 3 Threat

Total: 1 Failure, 1 Threat

Feb 25, 2017 4:57 am
Everyone has to call their combat actions/maneuvers/incidentals (Attack, Parry, Reflect, use of Advantage,Threat, etc) in OOC format, in addition to any RP flavor they want to add.

Damage totals should be clarified in OOC as well
Feb 25, 2017 5:00 am
Wow. I didn't realize Hawke was packing a YYYG Lightsaber skill until now. That demented Gank is serious about killing shit...
Feb 25, 2017 5:02 am
FYI, the Aim maneuver can be used for melee attacks as well.
Feb 25, 2017 5:04 am
Also, good attention to the mechanics so far, both of you, taking account of the Melee defense and any Setback your opponent is pushing your way.
Mar 5, 2017 12:30 am
These rules are officially in effect now, so use them for the rest of your fight. Since Tajanna won initiative, it makes sense that using the rules also starts on her turn, even though it's after combat started. Either way. I appreciate the playtesting help, and will be awarding XP as mentioned below.

Obviously, ou should read over the new rules below before your next turn, as there are some important key changes (e.g., the base difficulty of melee attacks is now 1 Purple).

COMBAT POOLS: ATTACK AND DEFENSE

So, I've decided to officially move this forward for playtesting. As a means of motivating all of you to help playtest the improved combat rules...

I'm going to start awarding XP to those that help playtest the new combat rules: 2 XP for a win, 1 XP for a loss.

I'm giving 2 XP out for wins as a means of motivating you to try your damnedest to win, rather than just show up and bank some XP for simply being in the duel, which would be useless for good playtesting (please, don't do that). Also, please don't use this as a substitute for getting XP in the narrative, as that is still the focus of our game (if I feel you're focusing more on dueling than the narrative, you'll likely find yourself barred from dueling, at least temporarily). You can only be involved in one duel at a time, but beyond that there are no limits to how many duels you can participate in per month.

Worth mentioning is that the playtesting XP awards will not last forever, so get involved while you can.

Also, to make sure everyone can be involved without too much downtime, I'll provide a sparring partner, ensuring you don't have to wait too long for your next duel. For this purpose, I'm opening up a new forum in the Hyperspace Duels called 'Sleeping Quarters: Duels in Dreamland', from which you'll be able to fight a variety of opponents, in your dreams, or your nightmares.

If you like, you can even create a future, higher level version of your character with more XP (remember, there's no 10 XP tax anymore for buying Specializations outside of your Career), then use it yourself in a Dreamland fight. If you're planning on doing this, it's probably a good idea to announce the XP value of this character's build, allowing someone else to create a build of equal value for that duel, if it will be needed.
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THE OFFICIAL RULES ON HOW THE NEW COMBAT SYSTEM WILL WORK
Some definitions, for the purposes of the content below:
---'Melee' within the context of the below rules will refer to the following skills: Brawl, Melee, and Lighstaber.
---'Ranged' within the context of the below rules will refer to the following skills: Ranged-Light and Ranged-Heavy.
---'RaW' refers to Rules as Written.


(1) The rules will be universally applied to both Melee and Ranged Combatants:

---Against Melee combatants, we'll assume upgrading defense is the character's effort to dodge, focus on defensive positioning/movement, maintaining separation, non-Strain inducing Parry/Reflect (the many swings/thrusts of weapons you see in the movies), etc. In this respect, I've always imagined that Reflect, and especially Parry, only used strain against the strongest attacks, as I envision that there are more slashes/thrusts/parries/etc than the dice rolls and the mechanics presented anyway.

---Against Ranged combatants, we'll assume upgrading defense is some combination of making better use of cover, moving evasively/fast, or the character's ability to make themselves 'small' when it comes to getting shot at, crouching down to an extent, etc.

---In any case, Melee vs Melee, Melee vs Ranged, Ranged vs Ranged, Ranged vs Melee, the rules will be universal. Every type of character will be able to take full advantage of these rules.

(2) The Engaged range attack difficulty will continue to be 1 Purple Difficulty for Ranged combatants (using RaW), but will also be changed to 1 Purple Difficulty for Melee combatants.
---Using RaW (F&D p.217), Ranged-Light combatants will add 1 to their difficulty against both Engaged Ranged and Melee opponents, whereas Ranged-Heavy combatants will add 2 to their attack difficulty in such cases. As it should, using Ranged weapons against Engaged combatants should be difficult.
---This change (dropping one of the Purple Difficulty for Melee combatants) is to reflect that part of the Melee combatant's efforts should, to some extent, be focused on defending themselves, depending on their actual interest in doing so. Whether your character prefers to build walls of defense, attack like a frenzied berserker, or switch up tactics depending on the situation and the opponent, it's up to you. Be the kind of combatant you want to be, and develop your own personalized fighting style.
---This change will also even things out a bit, making it a little harder to stack defense, while allowing a slightly wider range of offensive/defensive behavior for Melee combatants (e.g., going 'all out' on the offensive will be balanced against characters who are likewise going 'all out' on defense).

(3) Prior to attacking on any turn, the player may convert any number of dice* from the appropriate combat skill, depending on their equipped weapon(s) (Lightsaber, Melee, Ranged), into a defensive dice pool, increasing the difficulty of their opponent's attacks, using the conversion methods below.
---Yellow Attack dice can be converted into Purple Difficulty dice, which are added to their opponent's attack difficulty.
---Green Attack dice can be converted into Black Setback dice, which are added to their opponent's attack difficulty.
---These pools will be referred to as 'attack' (Yellow/Green) and 'defense' (Purple/Black) pools.
---Any adjustments made to a character's attack/defense pools carries over from round to round, until the player makes another adjustment, prior to attacking on any turn. Adjustments can, of course, be made without a followup attack.
---Dice are downgraded when converting from Attack to Defense due to the fact that all attacks start with at least one Purple Difficulty, in addition to preventing abuse of the new Defense pool mechanic. Also, this will ensure that defensive Talents that upgrade dice (Dodge, Defensive Stance, Side Step, etc) will continue to have value. We're going for balance here, and downgrading Attack Dice to Defense dice seems like a good fit.

(4) Characters will have a default setting for both Attack and Defense pools, recorded on their character sheet, which will be used to start combat for situations in which their character is not surprised/ambushed (meaning initiative was rolled with Cool).
---Otherwise, when surprised/ambushed, characters must wait for their first turn to adjust their combat pools, which means, except for the Engaged range Difficulty change above for Melee combatants, that combat will ultimately be played out using RaW, until your character gets a turn). I'm also a big fan of this because it lends more value to getting the drop on someone for an easy kill.

*Initially, I considered requiring a Maneuver to convert Attack dice to Defense dice, but didn't want to interfere with combat movement and some of the Talents that require a Maneuver to use (Defensive Stance, Center of Being, Saber Swarm, Side Step, etc). I'm still considering making it cost a Maneuver, as part of an effort to stop players from stacking Aim or Guarded Stance with dice pool conversions, also keeping in mind that players can spend 2 Strain on any turn to give their characters a 2nd Maneuver.

For now, let's start with conversion being free, although I'm still looking for some insight on this one. What do you guys think? Free dice pool conversion, or Maneuver cost for conversion? I'm leaning heavily toward free, simply because, like I said, I don't want to discourage the use of Talents, or characters moving around the battlefield; discouraging Talent use seems far worse than allowing players to continue to use Aim/Guarded Stance. However, I'm open to being talked out of it, so if you disagree with me, I'd like to hear it.
Mar 6, 2017 2:44 am
OOC:
Sorry for the wait! Tajanna will spend Hawke's Disadvantage to inflict one Strain on him.
Confidence is a strength, but overconfidence leads to complacency.

Tajanna suppressed a smirk as her attack landed home, although mitigated by Hawke's superb parrying. She then switched to a more defensive posture, ready to defend against Hawke's inevitable counterattack.
OOC:
Tajanna will spend her Maneuver to Aim, and spends her Action to Attack with 4 Green dice, converting 1 to a Setback die for Hawke's counterattack.
Wounds Threshold: 0/12
Strain Threshold: 0/13
Soak: 2
Defense (Ranged/Melee): 1/1

Rolls

Lightsaber (5 Cunning, 0 Skill; -1 Defence; Aiming; 1 Difficulty, 1 Melee Defence): Ganking the Gank

3 Success, 4 Advantage, 3 Failure

Total: 4 Advantage

Mar 6, 2017 3:07 am
OOC:
Tajanna will spend 3 Advantage to force Hawke to drop his lightsaber, and will spend 1 Advantage to add a Boost die to "the next allied active character's check", if Tajanna counts as "the next allied active character" (if that doesn't work, Tajanna will ignore her last advantage, as she has nothing else to spend one advantage on).
Mar 7, 2017 3:43 am
Stop fighting like a Juyo practitioner! Hawke bellowed to himself as his lightsaber was sent from his hands.

Throwing himself backwards to where his lightsaber landed, Hawke held in a grunt as he felt his shoulder twist upon landing on it. Scooping up his lightsaber, Hawke tested his shoulder to assess the damage.

Nothing broken or dislocated, but need to start fighting smarter. Take time to assess chiss's strengths.

Wounds Threshold: 6/16
Strain Threshold: 9/14
Soak: 5 (Armor Master talent included)
Defense (Ranged/Melee): 1/1
OOC:
No attack this turn, converting all into defense. So that's 1 additional Setback and 3 additional Difficulty. Using Parry to reduce damage.
Last edited March 7, 2017 1:11 pm
Mar 7, 2017 3:44 am
OOC:
Assuming that my math is correct, that means that Tajanna's next attack will have 2 Setback and 4 Difficulty
Mar 7, 2017 3:54 am
Yep.

Base attack difficulty = 1 Purple
Converting your Lightsaber skill into difficulty: 3 Yellow = 3 Purple; 1 Green = 1 Black
Melee Defense = 1 Black

Total = 2 Setback and 4 Difficulty.

Also, moving forward, 3 Strain counters a Disarm attempt using the new rules.
Mar 7, 2017 4:05 am
Maybe I'm just tired but, I'm not sure why Hawke is at:
Wounds Threshold: 6/16
Strain Threshold: 7/14


when he was at this before Tajanna's last attack:
Wounds Threshold: 2/16
Strain Threshold: 4/14


I think he should be at:
Wounds Threshold: 2/16
Strain Threshold: 6/14 (4 + 2 for 2nd Maneuver to pick up Lightsaber)
Mar 7, 2017 7:29 am
OOC:
Is Hawke still in Engaged range with Tajanna, or is he now in Short? Because if he's no longer Engaged, I don't think it makes sense that he'd be able to commit his Lightsaber skill pool to defence, given that he's unable to use that pool for offence.
Last edited March 7, 2017 1:22 pm
Mar 7, 2017 1:35 pm
OOC:
Ezeriah says:
Maybe I'm just tired but, I'm not sure why Hawke is at:
Wounds Threshold: 6/16
Strain Threshold: 7/14


when he was at this before Tajanna's last attack:
Wounds Threshold: 2/16
Strain Threshold: 4/14


I think he should be at:
Wounds Threshold: 2/16
Strain Threshold: 6/14 (4 + 2 for 2nd Maneuver to pick up Lightsaber)
Tajanna's attacks was a hit with 2 additional successes, so used parry to mitigate the damage just forgot to say so in the OOC and I forgot about the 2 strain for second maneuver.

If my understanding of the rules are correct then Hawke is currently at Short range from Tajanna. Moving everything over to defense I'm seeing as Hawke adopting ready stance and preparing himself for incoming assault.
Mar 7, 2017 2:02 pm
Tajanna quickly followed up on her disarming with a step forward and a flurry of blows, aiming to finish Hawke while he recovered his lightsaber.
OOC:
Maneuver to Move to Engaged, 2 Strain for second Maneuver to Aim, Action to Attack with Lightsaber, no Lightsaber dice committed to defence.
Wounds Threshold: 0/12
Strain Threshold: 2/13
Soak: 2
Defense (Ranged/Melee): 1/1

Rolls

Lightsaber (5 Cunning, 0 Skill): Ganking the Gank

3 Success, 2 Advantage, 2 Failure, 5 Threat

Total: 1 Success, 3 Threat

I Can't Add More Than 8 Dice; Here's The Rest of Hawke's Defences

2 Failure, 3 Threat

Total: 2 Failure, 3 Threat

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