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Dec 26, 2017 2:41 am
Christmas miracle coming late tonight. In the mean time, do yourself a favor and watch Bright on Netflix.
Dec 26, 2017 4:24 am
I have heard an overwhelming amount of bad reviews for Bright. I still haven't seen it.
Dec 26, 2017 5:52 am
Thankfully I hand't read any reviews (until now). I've never been at odds with Rotten Tomatoes, until now. It is absolutely fantastic! My wife really enjoyed it, despite not knowing what a centaur nor what an orc was. She does couch her opinion on that Wil Smith stared in it. My brother had seen it and had told me I needed to watch it, so we put it on after finishing up all the present wrapping Christmas Eve. I suggested we bust out a board game and play while watching and he gave that an emphatic "no", he didn't want to take away from my enjoyment of the movie at all. Lol. He was right, I was 100% into it. If you ever liked Shadowrun (even before you grew up and realized it was a mechanical mess and had too much fantasy and magic going on to make sense), then you'll like this movie.

DMJ

Dec 26, 2017 10:21 am
Funny timing - my kids were watching Bright last night. I sat down and watched most of it. It was action-packed, I'll say that. What's with Netflix though? Do they have a quota of F-bombs that they have to put in each show they write? I'm all for foul language when it adds something, but peppering "fuck" into every conversation just to make sure the audience gets it that your story is edgy and hardcore - that's lazy fucking writing. It's also fucking distracting as a viewer. WTF.

Haha. Bright was better than new Star Wars. That ish was Total SuckFest 2017.
Dec 29, 2017 5:48 pm
OOC:
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So let me know what your intentions are with:
1) the debtor slave oarsmen, including standouts like Gibon and maybe Amit
2) the four ex-hostile raiders, including 1 or 2 who still seem to be demure malcontents
3) the boat
4) excess supplies and gear
1) I say let's erase their debts and hire as retainers those who wish to stay and work for pay. Those who want to leave may do so.
2) Let's just hang 'em and be done with it.
3) Depends if we've enough from #1 to crew her. But I'd like to keep her.
4) Sell it all, I guess. That's Kray's jam.
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DMJ

Dec 29, 2017 6:57 pm
Jabes.plays.RPG says:
OOC:
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So let me know what your intentions are with:
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2) the four ex-hostile raiders, including 1 or 2 who still seem to be demure malcontents
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2) Let's just hang 'em and be done with it.
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OOC:
This brings up a thought Bryn could probably toss out there for consideration. He knows the most about Heshbaan law and culture. I'm just throwing this out there as a conduit, since no one would necessarily know this until I publish it.

It is against the law of the land to engage in piracy and raiding on the Hodel River or off the coast of the Heshbaan lands of the Sar and his Nasi. This sort of lawlessness is definitely unwanted because it is bad for travel, business, and trade - and perhaps especially offensive if it was directed by a foreign captain.

You guys could bring these clowns to the local Richter, accuse them of raiding and piracy, be willing to testify or bring witnesses, and let the local judgment give a verdict. Yes it does take their exact fate out of your hands, but it is supportive of the local community leadership and authority. Also avoids any trouble you might risk if you try to do a secret execution, because if done publicly that would be beyond the law also, beyond the power that foreigners should take on in this community, according to local law and custom. (Not to say it couldn't be done).
Dec 29, 2017 8:46 pm
1) Agreed. We burn their slave docs in front of them and explain they are free men. Give them some food and and a gold piece or two each so they don't go empty handed. Spread good will, win hearts and minds kind of thing. Hire Gibon and Amit as guides and extra hands.

2) Would love to ice those fools. Don't want to make enemies with the law in the new land just yet though. Let's turn them in to the law... draws attention. But it's like good PR that says we're not to screwed with as well. Not to mention it shows us as law abiding and respecting the local culture. I'm not interested in RPing it out though.

3) It's our boat. We dock her and pay the fee. We can always pick up crew later if needed.

4) If possible, we pay the docking fee by bartering the excess goods, which I hope will cover it and maybe more (If Kray can get some Hesheban version of platinum or gems out of the deal that would be ideal). Assuming nobody has an issue with this, I'll throw a Persuasion roll out there for bartering in an effort to get the most out of the deal.
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Rolls

Persuasion - (1d20+9)

(6) + 9 = 15

Dec 30, 2017 2:05 am

1) Nothing wrong with keeping a slave or ten as far as Maeriks is concerned. In fact,it is quite strange to him that we would even consider freeing them. We still treat them with honor and respect, but never the less they are our rewards for a fight well won.

2) Kill them if they act to betray their new status. Let them be if they just are grumbling as one would expect of a newly minted slave.

3) Pay the fee.

4) meh

DMJ

Dec 30, 2017 11:46 am
Constablebrew says:

1) Nothing wrong with keeping a slave or ten as far as Maeriks is concerned. In fact,it is quite strange to him that we would even consider freeing them. We still treat them with honor and respect, but never the less they are our rewards for a fight well won.

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OOC:
CB brings up the counterpoint worth talking about. Slavery is a part of every community, with quite a bit of variety on the details of why, when, and how to take and manage slaves. But slavery is not completely unusual anywhere. In Heshba particular, it is quite common.

Both the Barbaric Code of Honor and the Civilized Code of Honor are neutral on slavery. They read that the practitioner will...
"Have no in-principle objection to slavery, being willing to keep or free slaves as suits his purposes."
I know we have already learned something of Ivor's aversion to slavery in most cases. He seems to be a bit different than most, likely because of his own experience as a slave I think, which would make sense for him to take on a counter-culture or minority view.

The masters, religious leaders, and authorities of Heshba are known for writing and recording in their own peculiar way, though their writing is not pervasively consumed abroad. The debtor slaves were actually documented, so they were definitely like property, more like a capture of extra supplies or resources. They too could be handed off as barter very easily. Or kept as Maeriks suggests, as owned workers.

The men captured in war could be forced into slavery by practice, with no documentation. Branding and forced body marking are also a well-known and traditional practice to show visible sign of enslavement. To go a step further in legitimacy though, one could go to the local authorities to formalize the enslavement and get documentation. Not completely necessary, less so if you are strong enough to enforce and maintain the enslavement. No one will likely ask for proof, and there are few to none who are crusading around trying to free slaves.

Still, slaves have their downside in the expense and management of them. You have to feed them to keep them alive and healthy enough to work. Also the effort involved to either instill fear or build cooperative acceptance. There is always at least a chance for escape or even revolt.

Some cultures are definitely known as better slaves than others. Danneins are certainly well-known as the worst slaves in the world. They will usually try to get themselves killed first. And if they are enslaved, they are known to escape and usually become murderous as they do, often suicidal in their quest for freedom and revenge. Ivor definitely lived up to that stereotype. He killed throughout his time as a gladiator, waiting for just the right chance to kill his owner and likely a dozen guards and servants during his bloody escape. Years later he hunts down his original captors. One down and at least one to go.

Heshbaans, on the other side of the scale, are actually thought of as more docile slaves as a rule.

Same thing with different cultures taking or owning slaves as well. Yuoric descent cultures, in Nadril and the Markkelands, do not have expansive slave trades. There are some slaves, but not really that many. Taking slaves in war capture is not really practiced that often at all. Execution or imprisonment is usually used instead.

Danneins definitely do not try to make slaves of other Danneins. If they dominate over others, they usually kill them or let them go in the knowledge of their defeat.

Gaeirmundi cultures use slavery regularly, as do the Ingvaelors. Slavery is pervasive in the east (Sarcera, Murmar, Jbail, Otessa) and south (Heshba, Bishtaan, Seker, Korsi, Arkkad). The local Alijanians of the Alornic Sea region seem to object to the idea of slavery, though they do not have much power to make a difference about it. Slavery is practiced to moderate degrees in the more civilized Alornic Sea cultures of Kortella, Pylos, and Esosan. Kortella and Pylos of course are both known for their famous arenas, gladiator pits, and specialized fighting slaves.

On this part of the narrative, I will leave it up to you guys if we should edit or you want to talk about it more. I think it was fine the way it was, it would also be fine to change. As you can probably tell, I'm not looking to dwell on the exact details of these more mundane parts of the travel, but also don't want to blow through good debate or consensus. And if nothing else, this is a way to discuss some of the cultural parts of the setting "off camera".
Dec 30, 2017 11:54 am
If any PC suggests to keep slaves Ivor will try to kill them at worst, leave the party at best. A hatred of slavery is at the very core of this character..

DMJ

Dec 30, 2017 12:02 pm
Jabes.plays.RPG says:
If any PC suggests to keep slaves Ivor will try to kill them at worst, leave the party at best. A hatred of slavery is at the very core of this character..
Yeah. True that. That's what I thought.
Debate is over, I'm pretty sure. Haha.
Dec 30, 2017 1:48 pm
Jabes.plays.RPG says:
If any PC suggests to keep slaves Ivor will try to kill them at worst, leave the party at best. A hatred of slavery is at the very core of this character..
That's what Bryn would be thinking of when unbinding the slaves, not that he was afraid of Ivor, but that he knew Ivor would want it done.
Dec 30, 2017 4:30 pm
Kray is generally indifferent to slavery. However, as much as he can appreciate their utility, he also considers it on the distasteful side. He's far more inclined to simply hire good help when needed.

Kray also prefers to keep the group as small as possible. Simplifies logistics.

It's lucky for the group Kray isn't pro-slavery and a fan of running a warband. It would be a shame for him to have to kill Ivor haha.
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Dec 30, 2017 5:46 pm
I want to see that fight.

DMJ

Dec 31, 2017 5:55 pm
Yo, fellas. Hope the New Year's Eve parties are good tonight.
Not quite a year anniversary for DT just yet, but we spent most of 2017 gaming together. I really enjoyed it, so thanks for all of the work, attention, and input on this project.
Looking forward to keeping the show on the road for 2018!

I'm busy on errands and cooking today, drinking tonight, grilling out and live gaming with my oldest son and his buddies in town tomorrow. So I might be a little slow on the boards. Will try to chime in tomorrow (Mon, 1 Jan 2018), but if not then will be back on normal schedule on the next day.

I'm chilling out with a 30-pack of Coors Banquet, typing this quick entry to keep in touch, grilling some steaks, snow outside. 2017 YEEEAUH!!!

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/0975r0rr12j94d4/DT%20NYE.JPG
Dec 31, 2017 9:42 pm
Sorry to say this guys, but not sure I can keep playing with you all, knowing now that DMJ drinks Coors. I'll be hanging out with my 805 and Black Butte Porter, studying up on tech stack to be used with the new job starting Tuesday. We'll see, maybe I'll get over it. Kindof hard to do as a beer and coffee snob tho. #bestcoast

Happy New Year everyone! Looking forward to another one.
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Dec 31, 2017 9:51 pm
Oxbox says:
Jabes.plays.RPG says:
If any PC suggests to keep slaves Ivor will try to kill them at worst, leave the party at best. A hatred of slavery is at the very core of this character..
That's what Bryn would be thinking of when unbinding the slaves, not that he was afraid of Ivor, but that he knew Ivor would want it done.
Maeriks would not be venturing up his opinion, letting Kray and the others take the lead, falling into the old habits of being the passive dolt in the background.

I see some intra-PC conflict with Ivor and Maeriks on multiple levels - magic, shape shifting, opinion of slavery. Yet, at the same time, Maeriks sees Ivor as kinsman whom has lost his home just as Maeriks has.
Dec 31, 2017 10:10 pm
Happy New Year, fellas!
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I see some intra-PC conflict with Ivor and Maeriks on multiple levels - magic, shape shifting, opinion of slavery. Yet, at the same time, Maeriks sees Ivor as kinsman whom has lost his home just as Maeriks has.
Ivor also recognizes Maeriks as a fellow Dannein (we know you uptight Yuorics look down on us but fuck you, we know we're better than you) and yes, both of us have lost our homes (not sureif I've posted Ivor sharing that tidbit about himself with the others but yeah let's say he loosened up a bit during the interim).

Ivor would probably still be blind to Maeriks being a druid...definitely a good thing. The difference in attitude slavery might be causing him to keep Maeriks at arm's length but as long as no one pushes the issue then he's cool.
Dec 31, 2017 10:38 pm
Happy New Year all!

All Dannein are sacks of trash lol.

Kray is pro-dannein and curious about culture. Part of his friction with House Mercon politics is that there's a majority faction that doesn't want 'savages' etc working as mercs.

DMJ

Jan 2, 2018 11:28 am
CB, go enjoy another pumpkin peach peppermint spice beer, say "craft beer" again 10 times, and then go blog about how sophisticated that is with all the other hipsters. It should help you bury the memory of how you nerds used to get pushed around in school by jocks who were Coors drinkers then and still are now.
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