Winter our discontent (OOC)

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Apr 5, 2025 1:50 pm
OOC:
Made a roll in the other thread! Looks like Benji owes Yasmine a debt! (I accidentally selected the wrong roll type but it’s the same modifier as it was meant to be anyway so it doesn’t really matter…)
Apr 5, 2025 1:58 pm
vagueGM says:
The Scholar as in the Playbook? Playbooks are for PCs
Oh, right. Well, someone of that sort, then, I suppose!
vagueGM says:
Does Persephone know of Yasmine? Or do you need someone to send you there?
Perhaps Persephone realizes she got the infernal vibe after wandering into her bookshop one day, simply based on the on-the-nose shop name? And, looking closer, she realizes that there were a bunch of books about demons? So later, Persephone would propose her shop as a place to go to read up on the subject, Benji would know of her.
vagueGM says:
Don't forget to record your Marked Circles on your sheet so we can all see which you have and which you need and plan accordingly. You should have, at least, Wild Marked from the Job you did on Howard Winters.
OK, I think I have 2 Status boxes marked with Wild now (one from character creation).
Apr 5, 2025 2:01 pm
RE: the Scholar, they released a 2e Scholar playbook as a Stretch goal for the 2E Kickstarter. I got it when I backed.
Apr 5, 2025 2:38 pm
Drgwen says:
... OK, I think I have 2 Status boxes marked with Wild now (one from character creation).
We are talking about Advancement [rules], which is binary, either you have it marked or you don't. You Mark Wild when you complete a Job [ref], if you already have it Marked that does nothing (many playbooks have 'easy' ways to Mark their own Circle).

Advancement is the column to the right of Status, called 'Adv?', it will turn purpleish when you Mark it.

Circle Status is a big deal, Wentworth is Status 2, it will take a lot of work for you to increase your Status. See the summary [rules] or page 41 for more details.

The only way for most playbooks to reach Status-2 in any Circle (and presumably only their own for most?) is through the advanced Advancement Obtain Circle Status-2, see page 187 for details.
Apr 5, 2025 2:39 pm
oopsylon says:
(OOC in RP) ... Is she mortalis or power? ...
I thought she was Power? [ref]
oopsylon says:
... Looks like Benji owes Yasmine a debt! ...
oopsylon says:
(in RP) "... She gave me a very steep discount on a book once. I wouldn’t have been able to afford it otherwise so that was very kind of her."
Unless it was a very steep discount, like life-changing or something, that might not count for a Debt. You might need to show us more when we interact with her to get a feel for it.
oopsylon says:
... I accidentally selected the wrong roll type ...
The does not matter (aside from looking messy and making searching hard:), we only really care about the dice numbers and can adjust the +modifies on the fly.
Apr 5, 2025 2:54 pm
vagueGM says:
Drgwen says:
... OK, I think I have 2 Status boxes marked with Wild now (one from character creation).
We are talking about Advancement [rules], which is binary, either you have it marked or you don't. You Mark Wild when you complete a Job [ref], if you already have it Marked that does nothing (many playbooks have 'easy' ways to Mark their own Circle).

Advancement is the column to the right of Status, called 'Adv?', it will turn purpleish when you Mark it.

Circle Status is a big deal, Wentworth is Status 2, it will take a lot of work for you to increase your Status. See the summary [rules] or page 41 for more details.

The only way for most playbooks to reach Status-2 in any Circle (and presumably only their own for most?) is through the advanced Advancement Obtain Circle Status-2, see page 187 for details.
Gotcha. I was mixing up marking status with marking advancement. I couldn’t recall what Urban Shadows called things.
Apr 5, 2025 2:55 pm
Drgwen says:
... I couldn’t recall what Urban Shadows called things.
No kidding. It is quite deviant.
Apr 5, 2025 9:54 pm
vagueGM says:
I thought she was Power? [ref]
Okay, no worries! It’s a -1 modifier then but the same result
vagueGM says:
Unless it was a very steep discount, like life-changing or something, that might not count for a Debt. You might need to show us more when we interact with her to get a feel for it.
Okay, never mind about that then! I’lll come up with something else
Apr 6, 2025 1:20 am
Maybe Yasmine was the one who originally put Benji in contact with Jacob around covid times when Benji needed money and Jacob needed someone to do a few odd jobs for him?
Apr 6, 2025 7:30 am
oopsylon says:
Maybe Yasmine was the one who originally put Benji in contact with Jacob ...
Sounds good. I was wondering if Yasmine knew Jacob, and if she had a 'friendly' relationship with him (and other demons). It would make sense for them to 'work together'.
Apr 7, 2025 10:31 am
oopsylon says:
... Okay, never mind about that then! I’lll come up with something else
Yasmine could also have given you hefty discounts on books if you want. That will suggest something about your relationship (or her motives:).
Apr 7, 2025 11:24 pm
Sure! I’m happy with that
Apr 10, 2025 3:42 pm
Drgwen says:
(in RP) ... "... Ahah, asking for a friend, of course. And you know, hypothetically."
Are you hoping she believes you? Or are you being pretty obvious with that 'asking for a friend' fib which nobody ever believes. :)

Do you need to roll Mislead?
Apr 10, 2025 3:54 pm
No, it should be obvious that she's definitely NOT asking for a friend. The, oh and hypothetically speaking, which is another weaselly qualifier that is not usually taken at face value, magnifies the obviousness, I think. And there awkwardness, with the several vocal pause words like um, and ah in there.
Apr 10, 2025 11:23 pm
I’ll wait for the convo between Emma and Yasmine to resolve before I reply.
Apr 13, 2025 10:44 pm
My IRL day job is as a philosophy professor, so I would rather not get into a philosophical debate about the nature of the soul in my RPGs! Mostly because I could easily get carried away and no one but me would enjoy that. So let's say that, yes, it's basically magic, and signing the contract gives me certain powers in exchange for a new biological urge to obey, like hunger. Yes it can be resisted, but it is very difficult and comes with costs.

Obviously there is some kind of existence apart from bodies in Urban Shadows, given that there are Spectre and Revenant playbooks, not to mention Imps who have escaped Hell. So I think I'd like to say there is some kind of afterlife where contracted souls become lesser demons in the employ of greater demons. I'd like to avoid the more explicit trappings of the Abrahamic religions, though. Just demons and Hell (or Hells!) is enough, I think.

How does all that sound?

Incidentally, if Persephone ever does escape her demonic contract, perhaps I could switch her to the Imp playbook, depending on how it happens.
Apr 14, 2025 8:11 am
Drgwen says:
... Obviously there is some kind of existence apart from bodies ...
Agreed.
Drgwen says:
... I think I'd like to say there is some kind of afterlife where contracted souls become lesser demons ...
Sounds good... erm... you know what I mean.
Drgwen says:
... I'd like to avoid the more explicit trappings of the Abrahamic religions, though. ...
Cool. We definitely won't be answering the question of who is 'right', leaving open all the options.
Drgwen says:
... Just demons and Hell (or Hells!) is enough, I think. ...
Agreed. We know the facts we know, the Playbooks define as much as they define, and the players get to define the rest, or leave it undefined.
Drgwen says:
... perhaps I could switch her to the Imp playbook ...
Sure. Urban Shadows Playbooks don't actually make a lot of sense for changing between them, a mortal becoming a werewolf, or a ghost, or a vampire, or a mage, all make a certain amount of sense, but many of the Playbooks are special versions of the concept, and carry baggage and imply time as that Playbook.

We will make any choices work. We may have to massage the options and not everything makes sense. We will loosely interpret the rules for changing playbooks and keep the bits of each playbook that make the most sense in each case. This is not a thing that happens often, so it is not all that well tested. In truth, I don't think I have ever seen it happen in a game, outside of where a player planned from the start to become something later and worked towards it (making the story work) (which I have seen planned quite a few times, but only seen get pulled off, like, once, I think). The main way people change playbooks has been through the story 'forcing' it on them, and then we play it by ear, using what makes sense based on the story. Don't let that deter you plans, though. :)
Apr 14, 2025 8:19 am
Presumably Benji is staying, going back inside after saying goodbye [ref]? Then going to Jacob's?

Presumably Persephone is going to Wentworth, and then (maybe) to Zhiyu?

Is Emma meeting up with Kat, or just making phone calls to agree to the weekend (we can work out what day it is now when we need to to). We can have a scene if you want, or a string of small scenes with Kat and Henry or Sin, and David, as well as Sarah, or anything else. Up to you.

You each can set your scenes, as you like.
Apr 14, 2025 8:27 am
Emma will call Henry to tell him she accepted the offer from 'Sin', and then call Kat to ask if she know what they do in these 'retreats'. I don't know if it would require a scene though? She will want to talk with Sarah, and David (to tell him she will be gone for the weekend).
Apr 14, 2025 8:33 am
Delirium says:
... Emma will call Henry to tell him she accepted the offer from 'Sin' ...
We can assume that happens. Do we want to see it? Henry will tell you, at some point, that the venue changed to somewhere closer, but still swanky.
Delirium says:
... then call Kat to ask if she know what they do in these 'retreats'. ...
She has never been to one, this is her first. They don't consider her important enough to tell her any details.
Delirium says:
... She will want to talk with Sarah ...
Maybe set that scene for us?
Delirium says:
... and David (to tell him she will be gone for the weekend). ...
You bringing him along? Feel free to play with any tension the old plans for the seaside might bring and how the later change of venue changes that. Being closer may allow David to join you, he is not invited, but there is not a whole lot they can do when he shows up. :)
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