Heist the Colours (OOC)

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Mar 8, 2023 4:59 pm
Hehe. Love the broker records. I figured it was a typo, turned out nice!
Mar 9, 2023 9:08 am
TheGenerator says:
(OOC in RP)Does that mean 100 credits or 100.000 credits?
Yep. One or the other. He did not specify, which might be a test?

Take a look at the prices for software, though, and think about what Ronny would believe to be the case. We can maybe work out a roll if you are not sure if he would know. This is TL10+, highly illegal software.

Abby assumed she was paying for the software from her account, so if Cat is holding the Creds we would either need to have transferred enough, or --more likely-- need to do a little dance when it comes time to authorise payment.

Abby will have been uncomfortable talking about money with you guys. Possibly more-so with her ex.
Mar 9, 2023 9:45 am
vagueGM says:
Yep. One or the other.
-_-
vagueGM says:
This is TL10+, highly illegal software
https://i.imgur.com/GdiDpIr.png
The range on that seems to be quite large. So it could be a TL10 one for 80 cred or a TL13 one for 80.000? I guess you could say it's '80 hundred' credits.
Does the 'highly' bit make it a step higher? So TL12 for 80.000.

I'm not sure what Abby is likely to have. Maybe she would have given an upper limit?
vagueGM says:
if Cat is holding the Creds we would either need to have transferred enough
Oh, ok. I didn't think it would be that complicated :D
I think that Ronny would know to work out these kinds of details beforehand though. Raf and Cat are also traders, right? They would know too. So, I'd say we've already done the 'little dance' before the meeting. But we have a backup in case the price would come to a different number than we imagined.
Mar 9, 2023 10:31 am
TheGenerator says:
... https://i.imgur.com/GdiDpIr.png ...
The fact that is is 'often illegal' is not reflected in the price listed. That can do anything to the price.
TheGenerator says:
... Does the 'highly' bit make it a step higher? ...
Maybe. It does mean that there is no doubt in this case. That is also complicated by the fact of how you are buying this.
TheGenerator says:
... The range on that seems to be quite large. ...
Yeah, and remember that this is "Prototech" (page 113), not regular high TL stuff. TL9 is regular. So between 10x and 100x the price.

If Ronny has done his research he will know we are talking KCr not Cr.
TheGenerator says:
... TL10 one for 80 cred ...
You may have dropped a zero there. :)
Assuming these are after your 'discount'.
TheGenerator says:
... 80.000 ...
That is in the ballpark. How do you talk his price down?
Broker +INT? The book implies that is a long duration (1D Hours) task.
Persuade +INT? Haggling is 1D Minutes, so a better fit here?
Something else?

I don't think I want to engage the Effect Level mechanism for this (except for fail with -1 being minor and a fail with -6 or less being really bad), so we will, maybe set the Difficulty based on how 'reasonable' the price you propose is. If you are 'offering' 80K in an attempt to settle on 90K then is will be Easy (for reasons that your characters might not know). If you want to adjust your posted offer to try get 50% off, then it will be Difficult. Or somewhere in in between. You could even push it further, with 20K being doable but Formidable.

Cat can Chain an Average 'seduce' roll of some kind into this to adjust your odds.
TheGenerator says:
... not sure what Abby is likely to have ...
She will not have been comfortable talking about money with the group, and possibly less comfortable doing so with her ex. If you will have forced this then we might need to play it out briefly.

Abby is 'giving up everything' for this endeavour, so 100K is probably 'all her life's savings'. I don't know.

Abby can pay, so it is just about how happy she is afterwards... and you all have to live with her afterwards.
TheGenerator says:
... backup in case the price would come to a different number than we imagined ...
Do you think you would have had a reasonable way to know 'the price of black market experimental software purchased in a back yard deal'? That sounds a bit like Broker +EDU or +INT to have been rolled already? Else you might be surprised by the price and have to cover your amateurishness?
TheGenerator says:
... I think that Ronny would know to work out these kinds of details beforehand though ...
He might like to, but this deal came on rather suddenly and someone else was supposed to be handling it.
TheGenerator says:
... I'd say we've already done the 'little dance' before the meeting ...
I assume so. I don't see any problem with Cat holding onto the payment card, though Abby would still need to be the one to authorise the payment (with a thumbprint?)...
Unless you are seeing this a 'prepaid card' type deal (not a bad system since you can easily walk away with not need to 'verify IDs') and you will really need to go away and come back with more if you don't get a perfect deal. Which will increase the chances of complications.
Mar 9, 2023 10:49 am
vagueGM says:
You may have dropped a zero there. :)
That was a convenient adding error :P

Persuade was also the thing I was going for. Broker sounds like it fits better in a boardroom meeting.
vagueGM says:
If you are 'offering' 80K in an attempt to settle on 90K then is will be Easy
I wanted to get it for 80, but in case of a 'no' on that still have the option for 90 ;)

Since we can't really afford to fail this negotiation, maybe we don't want to push it to 50%?
vagueGM says:
Do you think you would have had a reasonable way to know 'the price of black market experimental software purchased in a back yard deal'?
Ronny would have relied on Abby's knowledge for that. Then maybe added x% based on his experience with deals.
Mar 9, 2023 11:03 am
TheGenerator says:
... Broker sounds like it fits better in a boardroom meeting. ...
Agreed.
TheGenerator says:
... Since we can't really afford to fail this negotiation, maybe we don't want to push it to 50%? ...
It is possible that 'failing' to negotiate a better deal just means you don't negotiate a better deal, and pay full price... unless you really flub the roll (snake-eyes). Even in a worst-case outcome you could still get the software from their bodies, and without it you will just have to overcome harder checks once on the Ship. So you can take a little risk.
TheGenerator says:
... Ronny would have relied on Abby's knowledge for that ...
Abby was about to pay 100K, so her judgement is maybe a bit off? Maybe she has looked at the Speculative Trade chapter and assumed you will all be rolling in Creds in no time?
Maybe Cat is holding a few cards with different denominations on them, and she has to slight-of-hand the right one based on what you settle on?
Mar 10, 2023 9:27 am
vagueGM says:
So you can take a little risk.
For some reason, to me, this sounds like the devil saying "You can sin a little bit, that's not gonna hurt anyone." and before you know it you're stuck in hell for eternity :P

I'm gonna stick to the 80k for a slightly easier roll.
Mar 10, 2023 9:57 am
TheGenerator says:
I'm gonna stick to the 80k for a slightly easier roll.
Cool. Do you want to add your roll now, we can see if there is benefit in Cat rolling to help out and just narrate it if we don't need a roll.
Mar 10, 2023 10:21 am
Rolled it :)
Mar 10, 2023 10:59 am
TheGenerator says:
Rolled it :)
And crushed it. Success by +7!

All factors involved mean this part goes pretty smooth.
Mar 10, 2023 11:01 am
@Airshark: Might as well pay off your 8 on Recon and have you notice something.

Feel free to act on it, or we can bring it in in a minute as you leave as well, or we can ignore it completely.
Mar 10, 2023 2:06 pm
Would you like me to describe the scene? Or did you have something in mind already?
Mar 10, 2023 2:20 pm
I did have vague plans for more than just a medical emergency. However, if we really want, we can turn this into anything you like. Let us know.

I had not planned for this to be anywhere near Bob, but did not specify that it was further on in the direction you were walking and really don't mind if you want to stage it near him. It may be distant enough that you want to grab Bob and the car to get there, but also less than a minute's run (which may be an Athletic endeavour?). Again, let me know.
Mar 10, 2023 10:30 pm
If Bob would say something like. ''There was a car passing by in this or that direction heading north or south or...'' Lio could realize that the buildings are deflecting the sound and change his destination.

Or bob could have seen nothing. Whatever Works best for you.

Lio would definitely not commandeer the escape vehicle 😊. Nice try Vague, nice try. 😬
Mar 11, 2023 7:20 am
Airshark says:
... If Bob would say something like. ''There was a car passing ...
There was a family car passing by, apparently 'fleeing the area'. We can assume it was that one. So let's say it was going in the direction you came in (and that you would leave by), so you are going in the right direction and need to go back past Bob.

Assume Bob confirms that the crash came from a few blocs behind him (let me know if you want me to post that and then hand over to you).
Airshark says:
... Lio would definitely not commandeer the escape vehicle. Nice try ...
It was not a trap, you know every minute matters. But it was a tradeoff of your response time versus their escape time.
If you want to describe the scene and start medical triage (however much you want), I can introduce the complication once that is done? Or I can supersede the medical with action. It is your call.
Mar 12, 2023 12:44 pm
Do we have communication with the members that are making the deal? Can Lio find out if they are ok.
I guess they don't wont the software supplier to know they are on coms with people "on the outside".

If there is no communication, Lio will investigate the crash to make sure it's not Ronny Cat and Abby (and probably help the wounded)
If Lio was able to follow the communication in the car, there will be a consience struggle: stay or help. As a player I'm also torn between the two.

It would give a nice opportunity to practice how healing/medicine works on less important characters. But I also don't want to jeopardize the mission.
Mar 12, 2023 1:02 pm
Airshark says:
... Do we have communication with the members that are making the deal? ...
You have comms, but might not be able to follow all the details of that is going on in there from your one-sided view.
You would not know that your friends could be done with the meeting before you get to the scene of the crash, but you would know that things are still sounding pretty relaxed.
Airshark says:
... Can Lio find out if they are ok ... I guess they don't wont the software supplier to know they are on coms ...
Yeah, asking might be risky. But you know the above-mentioned facts. Raf is still on-site to support, as is Bob.

You can probably let them know you will be away for a moment without too much risk. Do you know that they are able to process such information in their ear while dealing with tense things and without giving themselves away? You can easily let Raf know and leave it to him.
Airshark says:
... there will be a consience struggle: stay or help ...
Yep, that is the point. What would you do? Maybe you think you can nip out there and assess and still be close enough to get back and help? Maybe you feel it is your duty to help? Maybe you feel it is your duty to stay with the mission? All these tell us about your character.
Airshark says:
... opportunity to practice how healing/medicine works on less important characters ...
Hey! They are my characters! Who you calling 'less important'?!

I have not looked at the book --I don't have it with me-- but I can tell you from real life that Medial stuff --even 'first aid'-- takes time, so if you turn this into a significant medical event that might derail things. And Medical will come up in the story where we can practice on characters that actually have health pools we can track.

I am more interested in the moral quandary than the mechanics here. But it is up to you if you want to turn it into something else.
Mar 12, 2023 1:32 pm
Lio will check out the crash and let Bob pick him up when the deal is done.

Will RP tomorrow.
Mar 12, 2023 1:59 pm
Airshark says:
Lio will check out the crash and let Bob pick him up when the deal is done.
OK. Lio won't know this for a while, but it looks like your friends are done, and the seller has left (in the opposite direction). Bob can pick them up and get them to you shortly after you have had a look.

Should I set the scene or do you want to?
Mar 12, 2023 2:43 pm
I'll do it. Unless you want something specific, in that case be my guest 😊
Maybe we can bend the timeline in a way that this was happening during the last part of the deal. It was like that in my head. But it doesn't really matter much.
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