Heist the Colours (OOC)

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Mar 12, 2023 2:47 pm
Airshark says:
... I'll do it. ...
Go for it. Whenever you are ready.
Airshark says:
... this was happening during the last part of the deal ...
Sure. Lio won't know the outcome of the deal until after he makes his decision and his move. The rest can be ready to help when you need them.
Mar 13, 2023 2:23 pm
I'm fine with the woman dying too.

Maybe someone can tell Lio it's pointless (he probably knows that, but could use some confirmation to make him stop performing CPR)

OR

She lives and we have an extra problem on our hands :-)
Mar 13, 2023 3:12 pm
Either way, I don't think we want to be there when the authorities show up. We'd probably lose precious time giving our statements.
Mar 13, 2023 3:14 pm
Airshark says:
I'm fine with the woman dying too.
OR
She lives and we have an extra problem on our hands :-)
You have the con.

What mechanics do you want to bring in? Maybe they will decide her fate?
Airshark says:
Maybe someone can tell Lio it's pointless (he probably knows that, but could use some confirmation to make him stop performing CPR)
TheGenerator says:
Either way, I don't think we want to be there when the authorities show up.
Yeah. Convince Lio of that. :)
Mar 13, 2023 3:40 pm
I thought we were going to leave the mechanics for further in the game?
Or did I misunderstand?
Mar 13, 2023 3:55 pm
Airshark says:
I thought we were going to leave the mechanics for further in the game?
It is your scene. You can call for any mechanics you need to help you with it, or just narrate it as you want.
Mar 14, 2023 9:31 am
@Pedrop, we can pretend you gave the correct dates, we don't need to worry about such details unless they come up.

Did you really mean to tell our new friend that you are leaving from the military Depot? That will get his attention and promote your chances of doing business, but comes with risk. You could also tell him to ship any large package to the launchpad if he can get it there in time (you still need to pick up Ronny's promised computer-gift), or take a small package with you.

However: The universe is a large place, he will need to know where you are going before he can send stuff with you. While we, the players, haven't worked out where we are going next, your characters will have some idea, and we can assume that fits his plans. Do you tell him where you are going?

If you promise (convincingly) not to look inside, he can possibly give you a pizza box sized 4Kg package and offer your KCr20 if you deliver it within the month to somewhere you are already sorta going near.

Would you negotiate this deal?
Would you tell your friends?
Mar 14, 2023 10:02 am
vagueGM says:

Did you really mean to tell our new friend that you are leaving from the military Depot? That will get his attention and promote your chances of doing business, but comes with risk. You could also tell him to ship any large package to the launchpad if he can get it there in time (you still need to pick up Ronny's promised computer-gift), or take a small package with you.
My main aim for this was to not bother with
"you know, needs to be kept away from scans and checks and stuff."

so not to make any harder for us at getting the ship and especially still being on Ruby:) But... when we will already have our ship... thats a different story:) I figured we could make a small stop near the depot - or somewhere else, but not far - to pick up Carl's package and make some money at moment of leaving the system. But as the purpose was not to have additional problems at the starport, if Carl is able to deliver the package directly to Gig, just before their lunch - Raf would take it. Even better then prolong our stay at depot:)

Yes I think Raf will tell Carl about going to the depot. In the end of the day they just going there to install some medical bay in of of the ships... with the guy that work or was working not so long ago at the Navy? What's suspicious about that? ;)
vagueGM says:

However: The universe is a large place, he will need to know where you are going before he can send stuff with you. While we, the players, haven't worked out where we are going next, your characters will have some idea, and we can assume that fits his plans. Do you tell him where you are going?
I was thinking about this too. But as we didn't established where we are going - didn't want to say any names. But it also don't change too much, cause Raf wouldn't want to leave any trace of where are they trying to escape. BUT: I thought that "reasonable destination" would mean some planet like 1 or 2 jumps from Ruby's system(was this system name "Gem"?) - so it doesn't matter where we are going now as long delivering the package will be worth alone to get to it's intended destination just for it.
vagueGM says:
If you promise (convincingly) not to look inside, he can possibly give you a pizza box sized 4Kg package and offer your KCr20 if you deliver it within the month to somewhere you are already sorta going near.
Raf would promise that and intend to keep that promise. And as said before if the money will be good - he thinks team will be willing to go specifically just to deliver the package. But it doesn't exclude the possibility to make some additional money going there(more packages, passengers? mission?)
vagueGM says:
Would you negotiate this deal?
In my eyes Carl is someone much more important then he initially looks and knows that it is the money that will take care about his package and keep it confidential. So I presumed that he will give good price for the service, even slightly better then average on marked to make Raf not ask any more questions.
vagueGM says:
Would you tell your friends?
Yes, I was going to say something about it when we all be back in the car. But thinking about "way" to phrase all of this:)
Mar 14, 2023 10:08 am
But the best scenerio for the team IMHO would be to get the package after they have running ship... but... it would be very convenient:)
Mar 14, 2023 11:04 am
Pedrop says:
... make a small stop near the depot ... to pick up Carl's package ...
That could be doable. A lot of trust happening there if you expect him to leave it unattended, just floating in space so you can grab it. We can talk about that.
Pedrop says:
... make some money at moment of leaving the system ...
He is not going to pay you for picking something up. You will only get paid if you deliver it. The money will come at the end.
Pedrop says:
... if Carl is able to deliver the package directly to Gig ...
The timing will be close. And that does mean telling 'strangers' exactly when and where you are leaving from. If something goes wrong this could come back to bite you.
Pedrop says:
... Raf will tell Carl about going to the depot ... just going there to install some medical bay ... What's suspicious about that? ...
Sure. He won't get at all suspicious when a ship is then stolen from that exact place at that exact time. :)
But that might not be a bad thing. He does not seem like he is all that concerned with 'legal', so this may big-up your reputation.
Pedrop says:
... Raf wouldn't want to leave any trace of where ...
You might not want to leave any trace, but you will have to if you want to make this deal. He is not going to give you stuff if you are not going where he wants it to go. There is no free launch.
Pedrop says:
... some planet like 1 or 2 jumps from Ruby ...
That could be any of 18 different Systems, like 16+ light-years apart. He would need much more specific details than that. At least he will need to know your direction (on the hex grid) and when you expect to get there.
Pedrop says:
... as long delivering the package will be worth alone to get to it's intended destination ...
It will not be, not on its own. The above offer of 20,000 for a 'pizza box' assumes you are already going 'there'. We are not negotiating a full cargo hold right now, that would take more time you have and needs to have been done before, this is just a little sweetener.
Pedrop says:
... if the money will be good - he thinks team will be willing ...
20K is a nice bit of pocket money for you, if you have to split it 5 ways it is much less attractive --but still not nothing. If you got the team involved, and Carl liked them, he might be willing to offer each a similar nondescript box?
Pedrop says:
... specifically just to deliver the package. But it doesn't exclude the possibility to make some additional money going there ...
You would need to be going 'there' anyway for this deal to work. He would probably expect you to mix his package(s) in with other stuff to avoid attention.
Pedrop says:
... Carl is someone much more important then he initially looks ...
Seems that way. This is not just about this one quick deal, it could shape things to come.
Pedrop says:
... he will give good price for the service, even slightly better then average ...
20K profit on 1/250th of a Ton? You can't do better than that with any regular Cargo or even the best Speculative Trade. This is definitely special delivery. It can even pay for a Jump on its own, but that is not sustainable.
Pedrop says:
... best scenerio for the team IMHO would be to get the package after they have running ship ...
Sure. But that might not fit with Carl's plans. He would have to get it into space, and packaged for vacuum, and such, all in the short the timeframe you are working on.

If that is all you are offering him, then your focus on your own convenience will be apparent and flavour the relationship.
Pedrop says:
... we didn't established where we are going ...
By pure coincidence, Carl needs something sent where you are going, or close enough. At a minimum you have plans that allow you to be in the System he needs --if not the same planet. (There is little point to our having this scene otherwise:).

You will need to reveal this information to Carl, even if we don't know it yet. You will then need stick to that part of your plan, even if things change during your escape. This is an 'Opportunity at a Cost' in PbtA parlance.

What do you do?
Mar 14, 2023 11:12 am
No time for full answer right now, but...
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Sure. But that might not fit with Carl's plans. He would have to get it into space, and packaged for vacuum, and such, all in the short the timeframe you are working on.
I didn't mean it just floating in the space. I was thinking about some kind of agent at the depot, or near by facility... whatever you think will be good fit. A space bar even? Near the depot, gas gigant?

So: not floating in space, precise place to pick it up. That was my thinking about it.
Mar 14, 2023 11:51 am
Carl does not currently have access to ships, that is why you are talking.
Involving the gas giant --forcing you to go there-- cuts down on your options.
If you are willing to trust him enough to tell him where you will be passing, he could be persuaded to offer you a package that you can take with you right now. 20K payment upon delivery.
If you are willing to reveal other members of your team to Carl, he could be persuaded to offer them each similar deals along the same route.

If you are not willing to extend any trust, neither will he.

It is a give and take.
Mar 14, 2023 2:03 pm
Another fast update:
It seems as this is a decision that can impact whole team and story, so it wouldn't be good for me to make it alone. So:

Should we take package from Carl Public

Yes
Yes, but... (write the comment)
No
Mar 14, 2023 6:44 pm
Only if it is "on the way". If it's quick cash... always welcome. But not at the cost of jeopardizing the mission.
Mar 14, 2023 7:08 pm
Really? She dies after Lio rolls a 12? OK.

@Airshark: Is there anything else you want from this scene? NPC sympathy? Something you missed?
Mar 14, 2023 7:11 pm
The check was to see if he could stop performing CPR.
We can move on. 😉
Mar 14, 2023 7:17 pm
And also to try out the mechanic. There was no comment so I guess I did it right.

I read that a skill level of 4 makes you known in the world, that could turn out to be a benefit... Or a problem
Mar 14, 2023 7:45 pm
Airshark says:
... There was no comment so I guess I did it right ...
Any comments would be nitpicky:
We should have determined the Difficulty before you roll. But 8 is average, and this was definitely no harder than Average. Which actually means you could not fail and should only roll for more challenging things.
You list 'skill + characteristic' and 'medic + edu', but then reverse those in the Dice Code (+2+4 instead of +4+2), which can get confusing. Not a bit deal.
Airshark says:
... a skill level of 4 ...
It also means Lio is 'one of the best' at Medic (He can not fail at most (Average) tasks). Is there a reason he made these rookie mistakes here? Why did he not notice the 'clearly broken neck' when checking her pulse? In-fiction, it feels a bit out of character with no payoff, but we don't need to delve into it if the scene merely got away from you.
Airshark says:
... known in the world ...
More than just 'the world', of course, or not in a way that limits it to 'a planet'. :) 'World Famous' means about the same thing it does here, you are known everywhere, not just locally.
Airshark says:
... a benefit... Or a problem ...
You are a famous doctor (born of famous doctors). Unless you hide your identity, people will want your help when you land somewhere. People wanting your help is the most likely problem; your being recognised --price of fame-- is another.
This can also be the catalyst for your Cybernetics Lab and associated work going forward.

Sounds like, maybe, Lio is a bit to keen to dive in and 'save people'? This is not a mechanical 'problem', and purely up to you to bring into the story if that is what you are getting at here.
Mar 14, 2023 7:52 pm
To be honest, I wrote the last fiction a bit in a hurry, mostly for not slowing down the game for the others. I admit the broken neck was too easy. ☺️
Mar 14, 2023 7:57 pm
No worries. But please don't cut yourself short just to avoid 'slowing' things for the others, they could have joined in and we could easily have turned this into a bigger scene involving everyone.

If you are happy to let it lie we can just move on, but tell us how you would like the other characters to react.
How does Lio feel about what happened?
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