Heist the Colours (OOC)

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Mar 14, 2023 8:04 pm
Lio is used to it, but... One can never get used to it. If you know what I mean. So he will be quiet/absent for a while, overthinking the past events. Probably during the drive there.

Let's move on.
Mar 14, 2023 8:05 pm
Lio is used to it, but... One can never get used to it. If you know what I mean. So he will be quiet/absent for a while, overthinking the past events. Probably during the drive there.

Let's move on.
Mar 15, 2023 7:52 am
Pedrop says:
Should we take package from Carl
I'm good either way.
Mar 15, 2023 8:23 am
TheGenerator says:
(OOC in RP)I'm assuming Bob will wait for us before going to pick up Raf ...
Bob will have waited for you guys.

It is possible that Raf will be busy with his negotiations for a bit longer. You may need to pick up Lio and come back for him?
Mar 15, 2023 9:53 am
Airshark says:
a skill level of 4 makes you known in the world
Does that mean known publicly, or known among the medical community. Cause I can't say that I know a lot of famous surgeons (I'm not counting the ones from TV shows :P). Maybe some historical figures, but not current ones.
vagueGM says:
You are a famous doctor (born of famous doctors). Unless you hide your identity, people will want your help when you land somewhere.
So this would probably only be the case if you show up in a hospital or something, right?
Or are doctors is anyone with skill 4 a movie star in Traveller?
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Mar 15, 2023 10:12 am
TheGenerator says:
... Does that mean known publicly, or known among the medical community ...
I dunno. I am just quoting the book. :)

We can play it by ear and see what feels appropriate.

'Medical Community' would probably extend to include 'anyone looking for a a good doctor'.
TheGenerator says:
... Cause I can't say that I know a lot of famous surgeons ...
I could probably name a few (probably all dead), but we have information at our fingertips, so it would be the work of seconds to come up with a list, and I suspect you would recognise many of them even if you don't know them off the top of your head. You would be on that list, as would your parents.
TheGenerator says:
... this would probably only be the case if you show up in a hospital or something ...
Probably. We only care when they care. That 'or something' would include anywhere where they were having significant medical problems. If they have no doctors, they will google for doctors, the border checks will check for doctors, and such.

You can change your name, take steps to avoid being tracked. This is meant to be fun, so we don't have to engage with this if you don't want to.

If you don't care about dealing with medical crises in places where you land, we won't bring it up, but that sorta uncoolifies your character and his Skills. Or we could use your medical prowess as the reason your crew goes places (or the excuse for getting in?). It is up to you.
TheGenerator says:
... is anyone with skill 4 a movie star ...
Not necesarily. But 5 is 'the best anyone has ever been' and 4 is only 20% worse than 'the best anyone has ever been'. You are a really good doctor.


4 is significant. There is only one other Skill above 2 in your entire party (maybe Abby has a similar score in Computers, but that all she does).
Mar 15, 2023 10:36 am
You mixed up me and thegenerator but he makes a good point (so do you)
Personally I would go with known by name, not so much by face. Irl I know a lot of famous surgeons by name, but don't have a clue what they look like.

If one would enter a facility where people run in the same circles (is that an expression?) That would change things.
Like a famous scientist visiting a university or a pilot at a military airfield.
Mar 15, 2023 10:50 am
Airshark says:
... You mixed up me and thegenerator ...
Ha! Whoops. Accidentally thought I was talking to you when I was actually talking about you. Could have been worse. :)
Airshark says:
... known by name, not so much by face ...
Agreed. (Mostly). Using a different name would (mostly) mean you can avoid that fame.
Airshark says:
... run in the same circles (is that an expression?) ...
It is.
Airshark says:
... That would change things ...
Yep. Hence the '(mostly)'.
Mar 15, 2023 3:13 pm
That all sounds plausible to me :)
I agree that sometimes you'd want to flaunt your expertise while other times you want to keep a low profile. It's good that both are valid options.
Mar 16, 2023 12:28 am
Ok, to sum up what how I see our conversation about Carl's package - as it seems that maybe we are overcomplicating it??? - and considering Airshark and Generator comment on the subject:

1. Picking up the package:
Now I see two options:
a) we are getting the package before getting the ship running with Your meta-promise that it won't backfire on us during our mission of getting the ship - could be i.e. at the lunchpad just before starting in the Gig(so no problem with getting it through starport security for us)
b) or we get it after we get the ship - i.e. on our way out of the system(agent at depot? or some smaller POI(space station?) on our way to be at jump's safe distance?)

Please choose what better fits your idea about this.

2. Knowing destination.
That's is what is probably overcomplicated - by me:) Let's assume that Raf will just ask Carl where he needs package delivered. Carl will say system Y, Planet X.
And conveniently:) that planet will be near(one jump) our first destination, or better yet - on our way to our first destination. So Raf is not telling explicitly where we are going, just that we will be able to deliver the package to the place Carl wants. Minimum information possible given.

If that would be NOT a case, I think Raf would have given up on the whole job as the ship and getting it to safety is waaay more important for him then this. He would have thanked him politely and asked for a secure way to contact Carl so that he could speak to him at a better time.

3. Payment - as you confirmed it - the money is good and Raf is treating this as more "additional funds for fuel" than anything else.

If you agree for that, tell my if I should wait for some RP from you or is it me who should do some more talking in the name of Raf? Or we just conclude the scene and say that Raf is back at Bob's car? But seeing that Lio has some things to do at the accident site, probably there is time to properly end meeting with Carl in RP?
Mar 16, 2023 11:14 am
(RP ref)
Pedrop says:
... with Your meta-promise that it won't backfire on us during our mission of getting the ship ...
We know you get the Ship. But, sure, we can also say it will not add any additional complication before you leave.

Usually I will work this sort of thing back into the game. When something goes wrong --because of a bad roll or decision-- I will try to use an established complication as the price rather than introduce a new one. So this sort of thing does not add more problems, it just establishes the sorts of problems you can expect to come up.

This one is unlikely to be an issue soon (unless you somehow get yourselves stopped and searched, and then somehow draw attention to the 'do not open' packages in the worst way).

The main complication is that you will have less freedom to deviate from your route. Carl is a stickler for 'delivering on time'. Common delays (breakdowns, space-pirates, small mis-jumps) are expected, but you could not easily Jump somewhere else in between, or go on a significant mission somewhere, or the like. A few weeks either way will be fine, but not much more.
Pedrop says:
... a) we are getting the package before getting the ship running ...
Carl deals is small, very valuable, packages. You can take it now, walk out of here with something under your arm.

You will need to get it through security, but Carl assures you 'they are just vinyl, unless you make a fuss, no one should care about them'.
Pedrop says:
... b) or we get it after we get the ship ...
He has no ships. He needs you to get it off-planet.
Pedrop says:
... or some smaller POI(space station?) on our way ...
Possibly at your first rendezvous point with you contacts. If you are willing to tell him about that.
Pedrop says:
... Knowing destination ... not telling explicitly where we are going ...
He has to know. You have to tell him. He is not going to trust you with his business details first. He has all the power in this deal.

Take it or leave it.
Pedrop says:
... the money is good and Raf is treating this as more "additional funds for fuel" than anything else ...
With possible future deals and contacts. He might have packages for each of your next destinations for the next few months.
Pedrop says:
... Or we just conclude the scene and say that Raf is back at Bob's car? ...
We can also do that. No harm, no foul.
Mar 17, 2023 12:21 am
vagueGM says:

Usually I will work this sort of thing back into the game. When something goes wrong --because of a bad roll or decision-- I will try to use an established complication as the price rather than introduce a new one. So this sort of thing does not add more problems, it just establishes the sorts of problems you can expect to come up.
V. interesting approach.
vagueGM says:
The main complication is that you will have less freedom to deviate from your route. Carl is a stickler for 'delivering on time'. Common delays (breakdowns, space-pirates, small mis-jumps) are expected, but you could not easily Jump somewhere else in between, or go on a significant mission somewhere, or the like. A few weeks either way will be fine, but not much more.
So I hope that others will have not it as bad thing for Raf that he established our first mini-tiny-mission... 'just' to provide some additional money for fuel. (also it can lead us to other missions of course if that will be the will of others;)
vagueGM says:
You will need to get it through security, but Carl assures you 'they are just vinyl, unless you make a fuss, no one should care about them'.
I and Raf will expect you and Carl to respect that promise;) Of course, I think we can also assume that Raf knows it also: that such package would not be "high risk one" - at the star port security - considering his background?
Mar 17, 2023 12:33 am
- from RP thread: -
vagueGM says:
- Do you tell him about your 'secret' location? If so, he might be interested and have something extra-special for you.
No, Raf wouldn't do that. No risking any additional problem before, during getting the ship, and even after - until they will be in relative safety of different star system - other then Gem:)
vagueGM says:
- Are you willing to tell him where you plan to go next? If so, he can offer you a small package of records for each step you are willing to divulge. He will expect some reasonable promise that you will get there without undue delays.
Addressing it in the RP in moment. Short answer, Raf will only tell Carl what system they will be passing by - soon after leaving Gem.
Mar 17, 2023 8:53 am
Timetable:

Raf is in the shop
Abby Ronny Bob Cat are in the van.
Lio is at the car wreck and already heard the van coming around the corner.

To get all the RP come together, we can wait for Raf to finish his deal, get into the van and tell the others where Lio is.
Lio will not investigate the scene any further, he's a bit shaken up, that will wear off soon.

I know we don't need to keep every post at the same time as the others, but maybe the ride to Bob's ship is chance to get everybody together in real time.

@Pedrop, I don't mean to rush you, just want to say that I'm fine with waiting a bit ;-)
Mar 17, 2023 9:32 am
Pedrop says:
So I hope that others will have not it as bad thing for Raf that he established our first mini-tiny-mission... 'just' to provide some additional money for fuel. (also it can lead us to other missions of course if that will be the will of others;)
No problem at all. Maybe Ronny won't like it, though. :P
Mar 17, 2023 9:59 am
No problem at all Air shark. Raf will certainly want to end the conversion soon too, as time is of essence, so soon he will be at the van and they will go for Lio...

Generator : if player is OK with this - that's all I needed to sleep well. But it is understandable that Ronnu could see it differently :)
Mar 17, 2023 12:46 pm
Airshark says:
... Timetable: ...
We can assume everyone knows where everyone is. No need to wait for Raf to tell us.
We can assume you assume Raf will join you after he is finished talking. You don't know the details of what he is talking about, but, if you trust him, you can finish with your scene and then wait in the car, or if he tells you it will be a few minutes, wait in a 'coffee shop'. If you don't trust him enough, you can check in on him. Presumably you have signals to let you know if something has gone wrong.

If Raf (or anyone else) does not want to have the mystery of vinyl destroyed, they can watch how they are made (just a boring MP3 and a 3D printer):, or Raf can also wait at the 'coffee shop' till the package is ready, you can then talk openly about what he did and if you are happy.
Airshark says:
... but maybe the ride to Bob's ship is chance to get everybody together in real time ...
As is the possible computer heist.
Mar 18, 2023 12:18 pm
As in my RP:
Pedrop says:
"20 minutes, but no more? ok Carl? I'm really on the run today. And if you can really bake them on the spot... could you make for me X album of Y? I will use it as present for someone."
(...)
OOC:
That someone is Ronny:) Raf wants to get a record for Ronny - in case he will be moody about the whole thing:D But what is the album that Ronny would be most happy about - now? @TheGenerator
As I'm very curious what record will be best for Ronny, so putting it here too:)
Mar 18, 2023 1:47 pm
Pedrop says:
(in RP)... I would love to have one of your works too ...
What 'works' are you talking about? Is this different from the two records he is making and ageing for you already?

Depending on the answer, Raf and Carl may have more conversation to deal with, and people may want to talk to Lio... or leave him alone.

If there is nothing we want, we can skip the waiting.
Mar 18, 2023 5:11 pm
What Raf meant by 'works' was that now he is more impressed and appreciates Carl's forgery skills then the music on the vinyls alone. Now that he knows that vinyls are aged artificially, he see much bigger value in having "example of Cral's craftsmanship" than the music he was looking for for so long on vinyl:)

Sorry, it seems that I still have a lot to learn to use English properly:/ So maybe you would be so kind to give me example of how I should write this "I would love to have one of your works too" to it having the meaning I provided above in this post. As I still don't know how to fix it:/

Edit: so this "work" was supposed to have a meaning of "opus", "doing".
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