Character conversion thread

Too fast. I saw your sheet, so deleted the post, but you responded to fast. sigh

From your sheet, three things I see:
- You should have three Foci. I don't think you can defer it.
- Your skill list is way confusing. The way it's written, it implies you have tons of skill. You should only have six or so. Don't pre-include the attribute bonus in the skill level. That happens independently.
- I would think your starting stats should be: S:14, D:14, C:14, I:17, W:17, C:12. This would make raising your Dex ludicrously expensive (10 total skill points) You better bet is likely I and W of 18 each (3 total skill points for both).

Hope you don't mind the "other player" input.

Healer lv 2
Specialist LV1
It's all matched right Just looks different. I have the base modifier and one for it with the most used stat.
It was slightly adjusted,
S:14, D:14, C:14, I:18, W:16, C:12. At chargen
Spent 3 points at lv 2 for Dex 16

Well, if htech signs off on it, who am I to question, eh?

Honestly if I was min-maxing I wouldn't do the adjustment, but it felt more accurate.

I'm still waiting for the level 2 charsheet to be ready. Let's wait. =)

PhoenixScientist, please let me know.

Now it's ok! =)

PS: I've just fixed your attributes back to initial values (DEX 14), as you spent all 4 skill points from lvl-2 in those 4 skills (ex: Punch, Shoot, Sneak, Stab).Final results: Heal-1, Program-0, Know-0, Notice-1, Punch-0, Shoot-0, Sneak-0, Stab-0 (as your current skills are)

I didnt

Please check my math above. Thanks!

@htech, I think you're missing the bonus first Level skill. So either Know or Program should be bumped to 1. (Or get a whole new level-0 skill, but I am figuring the bump to 1 is too good to miss here.)

And technically speaking, the second Level Expert Bonus can't be Stab. However, Sneak works just fine instead. So no practical change, but Stab still shouldn't be the Expert Bonus.

You're right. Fixed the Stab.

But, either way, that doesn't match Slaine current skills (they need to increase Know or Program) nor leaves they with 3 points to bump Dex to 16.

@PhoenixScientist can you double check it?

I dont have time to recheck it all but some fast math
I should have 10 skill upgrades (including 2 from Foci )
And then bought a lv 0 at lv 2
Heal1, Know0, Notice 1, Program0, Punch0, Shoot 0, Sneak0, Stab1
=11?
I can redo the whole character later if you want?

You shouldn't. You should have 4 at first level (3 from rolled dice background + 1 bonus) + 2 from Foci, for a total of 6 skill upgrades. =)

There are some "exploits" or workarounds that can get you more points at level-2 but they are very specific, in a very specific order, and cannot be considered as 10 points available to put everywhere.

You can check that later, no need to hurry, as we won't roll anything for now.

S:14 D:14 C:14 I:17 W:17 C:12
S:14 D:14 C:14 I:18 W:16 C:12
Heal, Stab, Sneak, Shoot (noted not added)
Expert
Background: Physician: using noted skills above: Heal 0, Stab 0, Sneak 0, Shoot0
Foci: Healer
Foci: Specialist(Notice)

Heal 1, Notice 0, Stab 0, Sneak 0, Shoot0
+Know, Notice, Punch, Stab

Heal 1, Know 0, Notice 0, Stab 1, Punch 0, Sneak 0, Shoot 0
3 exp dex=16
1 exp Program = 0

S:14 D:16 C:14 I:18 W:16 C:12
Heal 1, Know 0, Notice 0, Stab 1, Punch 0, Sneak 0, Shoot 0
Rolled previously 11 total.
+1
Listed
2100
- "Discover the truth of the Bio-synths";
- "Gain a PHD or Honorary Doctorate";
- "Help people in need",

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This is the math In had written down that got approved for Slaine the first time

At the risk of stating the obvious, from what I can see SWN makes things a bit confusing because they change how the skill rules work between character generation (i.e. getting Level 1) and character advancement (i.e. getting Levels 2+).

When first creating the character, there are no skill points. There is just "gaining skills". So, when you pick a skill, you get it at level-0. When you pick it again, you get level-1. No skill points involved at all. Even when taking a Focus with a skill attached (e.g. Healer-1), the skills work this way. So, if you pick Healer-1 without having the Heal skill, the Focus gives you Heal-0. If you already have Heal-0, then the Focus gives you Heal-1. Since there are no skill points in character creation, it is not possible to raise any attributes.

When advancing Levels, (i.e. Level 2 and beyond) everything changes. You no longer get "skills". Instead, you get "skill points". Skill points have to be accumulated to get any skill level past level-0. Even when you take a Focus with an attached skill, you do not really get that skill. Instead, you get three skill points dedicated to that skill. Since everything is now based on skill points, you can start to try and raise your attributes starting at Level 2.

And from what I can tell, using skill points to increase attributes is a losing game, with two exceptions. First, if you are at an immediate threshold (7, 13, 17) you should blow one skill point to get that modifier increase. That's kind of a no-brainer. So, for example, if you are using the standard attribute array, you should probably always burn one skill point to bump that 7 to an 8 and kill the negative modifier. Second, if you are two away (6, 12, 16) or you have two stats that are one away, it could be worth spending the points. In this case, it would cost three skill points, which means you either lose an entire level-1 skill, or a skill that would have been level-2 because level-1. However, with the modifier increase, this is likely offset.

(@htech, please tell me if I got any of this wrong.)

Yes that is what I see.

Thank you for your thorough explanation. The misunderstanding is here:
Background: Physician using noted skills above: Heal 0, Stab 0, Sneak 0, Shoot 0

You don't get those skills here. You just note/choose the background (the green part is ok). The 4 skills are chosen in the step below.
Sorry if it was confusing and/or I have approved the wrong values before. Your larger skill list (those -1) probabily confused me the first time around.

Yup. That's confusing as we are doing both steps at once. I always start at level-1 with everyone else.

It was approved before I added the extended list?
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Well I have to rebuild my whole character now.