Heist the Colours (OOC)

Ok, if that is the case that should be sound with the mechanic that Raf is doing "almost free" -> minior action of streetwise(he should feel it instinctively) and minor action persuade towards lady. If it has to be a Significant action, we can resign from Raf's aiming:)

I'm ok with this approach... until we will "secure" the GJ:) What I mean: this is probably best and logical approach until we will have GJ on our side with the proto-comp, BUT... as this was supposed to be also a tutorial fight I would really like to see some fighting mechanic while all of us will be retreating towards Bob's van. Maybe they will change their minds in last second? Or some reinforcements will come to help them? I could imaging a nice scene when our characters are falling back to the van in "laser guns blazing scenery" and leaving the place in last moment:)

All of this of course considering that we will indeed manage to convince them that they should not fight us... for now... what really seems very hard to achieve... but the dice will tell us probably:)

Yeh! Rolls: 11 -> that gives effect of 3 and +2 to Lio's roll!

Apparently lady getting to know that Raf has her thug at the gun point probably is not so sure of herself anymore??

Waiting curiously for Lio's roll:)

Also the funny thing is that NPC Speaker/Lady is last in initiative order - it combines perfectly with the last roll and story that we have established with our post! :) Now we will see how effective Lio will be, and what will the lady do in the end(and end of this round) :)

@Airshark I think you forgot to add +2 from my roll, by chain effect rules, but it doesn't change too much:)

Let's see what will happen now:)

That seems true here. No one wants to get shot.
'Boring' is a part of it, but it would also be unrealistic. Why would they tell you anything? Maybe in a attempt to avoid betting shot, but they would need to be convinced that that was their best way to do that.
Not sure what the 'middle' would be. Leaving (not fighting, but not talking) is sorta orthogonal to the 'fight vs spill' line, but that is the closest to 'middle' I can see.
That seems reasonable.

Indeed.
Physically? That might go very badly. Anything is possible, though.
Your foe Delayed (mechanic), trying to bully you into dropping your gun (or leaving, really), so you can just shoot him, now, on your turn. No need for tricking him into further mistakes to get to that point. But then we are definitely in a gun fight, you don't have way to know if the girlboss will bail or stick up for her man, so you need to assume everyone will be involved.
That seems like an instantaneous thing. So a Free Action with a Roll.
Let's go with that for now. It is only a minor persuade, after all. :)
Probably the best 'tutorial for a fight' is teaching people that there are other ways than violence. Avoid all the fights you can.
It is an RPG, there will be other opportunities. Maybe, given Lio's roll, this will be that opportunity, though.
You mean like the (possible) guy you saw on the roof? The one that made the sniper-bluff so hard? Like those reinforcements? ... Could be.
Nice... but maybe still not nice enough. :)

There is nothing I can do with a roll without fiction. What are you trying to do?

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It is worth remembering that Cat has not 'finished her action', she delayed to see what others were doing and can still act (presumably before the enemy at 3?).

Do we want Lio to try handle the talking here? It might be in character for him to try to deescalate the situation even though he is not the best at it. Else we can pretend that didn't happen (we are still learning) and let Cat try roll instead (still with the +2 from Chained help).

@Airshark, what do you think?

I was a bit confused and not sure if a roll was in place here, since the outcome would be insufficient anyway. But Raf came to Lio's aid and so I had to roll after all. Instead of adding it to the previous post, I made a new entry with only the roll. Thought that if this was not wat you (Vague) intended me to do, it could be easily removed.

So, the roll is for the previous fiction when Lio tries to defuse the situation.

Like you said... we can pretend it didn't happen :-)

All this trickery was intended to get soma advantage over him - the assumption was that if Raf will make him more nervous he will make some mistake, that will give Raf some advantage over him in next action. But... as finally I rolled mainly to support Lio(or Cat in currents assumptions) let's leave this only as RP thing - adding to fiction and Raf's character image:)

So... what now? As I understand your exchange with Airshark - we wait for Cat/WhtKnt to act on his delayed turn? And then the maybe-girl-boss?

The fact that it was rolled complicates things a bit, we should not decide after we know the outcome if a roll is valid. But we are learning, so we can easily scrap this one if we don't think it would have been what we did.
That was a bit confusing. Sorry. Raf's aid was for whoever was doing the convincing, and there was a sorta assumption that that was Lio, but then you pointed out that Lio is really bad at that, so maybe we should change things.

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Let's set aside the knowledge of the roll outcome for a moment and deal with the fiction:

Cat can still act, and she is mechanically better than Lio at Persuade (everyone is better than Lio at this:). But @Airshark needs to tell us: Would Lio be the sort to try to prevent a fight --especially after he has just had a patient die-- and ignore that it may be better if others spoke instead of him?

@WhtKnt needs to tell us if Cat would be the one to act instead (she is trying not to stand out), and what she would try to do (she still has those two options, or something else).

Keeping the 'failed' roll from Lio is not the worst. We just end up on the conflict that was asked for by players. :)
OK, no problem. I was confused by "roll in a post without fiction", but we have fiction, so no worries.

It is fine to edit the post with the associated fiction and add the roll to it, the site does not even mark that post as 'edited' when you do that since none of the text was changed. It also does not notify us, so drop an OOC noted (possibly with the number) so we know.
Normally no, once the dice hit the table we are normally locked in, but, while still learning, and where confusion is clear, we can answer the above questions and then decide if it stays.

Do you think it is a thing Lio would have done in this situation?

Mechanically you are helping the team over there, so it applies to whomever acts on it.
Yep. This Delay mechanic might become a problem, or a slowdown, since we all might still have some part of our Turn we want to sneak in at the end. Mostly we should Delay our whole Turn (aside from Free Actions), so the problem of bits should not be an issue. We may have to tighten up the wording, but we will see.

Lio would want to deescalate the situation. But he is smart enough to know his weaknesses. So if someone would take over the 'negotiation' he will take a step back (figuratively).

It's just that there was a lot of gun waving powerplay/bluffing going on, except for Cat. So maybe she can give it a try.

@WhtKnt, help us? You are our last hope.

So close. But even with the +2 from Raf's Chained help, no matter which Characteristic Cat used (except for SOC, which Cat is avoiding and did not come into play in the fiction) it can only bring this to 1 away from a success.

recon roll for Lio?

I have few intentions here: circling around Craig.
- I want to convince him that we don't want to die there for his awful boss :) But Raf understands that it have to look the way that he had no other choice or something like that, and he won't back off without good reason that would explain him later. (Persuade ?)
- Raf wants to spend this time taking closer look at him to get to know more info about what kind of guy is Craig? The way he dress ? Equipment ? In order to have some advantages with talking/adressing him. (Streetwise for Thugs? :) )
- Making him being positioned that the rest of the action is behind him, so if he will like to see what is happening there he will have to make a... risky:) turn around with his head/body.

Seems like it should all still fit in one round? What should I roll or are those automatic?

Yeah. As you say, there are degrees of difficultly, spotting someone looking for a sniper is (depending where they are) maybe easier than spotting Craig (who Lio doesn't know is nearby).
Craig will depend mostly on what he and Raf do.
The sniper-search may depend on what your actual intent is. Do you want to confirm whether they exist, or get a bead on them so you can attack?
Roll. Assume Average (8+) Difficulty and we will use the Effect Level to walk the details.
With Nigel? You have no clue as to where to even start looking.

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I would assume a quick recon would be a Minor Action. A more thorough one might be a Significant Action but could also be a series of Minor Actions. I prefer to model it as a series of Minors and you can stop when you are satisfied, but I am leery of having too many rolls. I think that, if it does not slow things down, we can do up to three Recon rolls a Turn for now.