Heist the Colours (OOC)

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Apr 24, 2023 5:33 pm
Pedrop says:
... he won't back off without good reason that would explain him later. (Persuade ?) ...
Yeah, it won't be easy. You would need to convince him that you mean it and that he will actually be allowed to go if he takes his weapon off you. You might also need to convince him that you he can't convince you to back down for the same reasons.
Pedrop says:
... taking closer look at him to get to know more info about what kind of guy is Craig ...
Tricky. There is not much to go on except his actions going forward.

He desperately wants to stand up. It will help him tactically a little bit, but mainly he would feel more comfortable if you weren't looming over him. What would Raf do if he tried to stand up (Minor Action) on his turn? His Turn comes before yours.
Pedrop says:
... The way he dress ? Equipment ? ...
That would be free. There is nothing particularly noteworthy about their gear. This group seem to be pretty standard street-thugs, but you don't see any immediate signs of 'gang affiliation'. They are wearing what you would expect 'commoners' to wear in this city. You can fill in any details you want around those facts.

They have Energy Handguns, and no apparent Armour.
Pedrop says:
... Streetwise for Thugs? ...
I am not sure. That does not really fit with the actual description or examples of Streetwise. The 'power-structure' between them, maybe, but it is not about reading people's personalities.

But then, I am not sure what would be the right Skill. Recon, maybe? But I also like Leadership here. Given the specifics of the situation, Gun Combat with INT or EDU could be the right Skill, since this is about your understanding of how things would turn out if guns were involved.

I really do like Leadership. What do we all think of using it in that way?
Pedrop says:
... Making him being positioned that the rest of the action is behind him ...
We can assume this happens easy enough. Given that you approached from the 'opposite' direction (or something like it), and he was mostly facing that way already after he turned to face you.
Pedrop says:
... Seems like it should all still fit in one round? ...
Quite possibly.
Speaking of Armour: Is Raf wearing his bulky Flak Jacket while walking about town? If so, that should probably have influenced the scene with Carl. We did not see it happen, but it is possible you could have put it on when you started to suspect the apartment was broken into? Do you usually wear it?
Apr 24, 2023 5:35 pm
Ronny did a fair amount in that one post. That sounds like about all he can do: Repositioning and a fairly significant conversation.

You still have Reactions, and maybe another Minor action.
Apr 24, 2023 6:31 pm
vagueGM says:
Airshark says:
recon roll for Lio?
Yeah. As you say, there are degrees of difficultly, spotting someone looking for a sniper is (depending where they are) maybe easier than spotting Craig (who Lio doesn't know is nearby).
Craig will depend mostly on what he and Raf do.
The sniper-search may depend on what your actual intent is. Do you want to confirm whether they exist, or get a bead on them so you can attack?
Roll. Assume Average (8+) Difficulty and we will use the Effect Level to walk the details.
With Nigel? You have no clue as to where to even start looking.
I would assume a quick recon would be a Minor Action. A more thorough one might be a Significant Action but could also be a series of Minor Actions. I prefer to model it as a series of Minors and you can stop when you are satisfied, but I am leery of having too many rolls. I think that, if it does not slow things down, we can do up to three Recon rolls a Turn for now.
Maybe I didn't understand you quite right. But Lio isn't looking for a sniper since he knows that was a bluff. But is looking for someone occupied with looking for a sniper. (Easy target)
In your second paragraph it seems you think Lio is looking for the sniper.

Could be a language issue though
Apr 24, 2023 6:31 pm
vagueGM says:
Airshark says:
recon roll for Lio?
Yeah. As you say, there are degrees of difficultly, spotting someone looking for a sniper is (depending where they are) maybe easier than spotting Craig (who Lio doesn't know is nearby).
Craig will depend mostly on what he and Raf do.
The sniper-search may depend on what your actual intent is. Do you want to confirm whether they exist, or get a bead on them so you can attack?
Roll. Assume Average (8+) Difficulty and we will use the Effect Level to walk the details.
With Nigel? You have no clue as to where to even start looking.
I would assume a quick recon would be a Minor Action. A more thorough one might be a Significant Action but could also be a series of Minor Actions. I prefer to model it as a series of Minors and you can stop when you are satisfied, but I am leery of having too many rolls. I think that, if it does not slow things down, we can do up to three Recon rolls a Turn for now.
Maybe I didn't understand you quite right. But Lio isn't looking for a sniper since he knows that was a bluff. But is looking for someone occupied with looking for a sniper. (Easy target)
In your second paragraph it seems you think Lio is looking for the sniper.

Could be a language issue though
Apr 24, 2023 6:56 pm
Airshark says:
... In your second paragraph it seems you think Lio is looking for the sniper. Could be a language issue though
Indeed a mistake. I meant that to refer to the 'sniper-searcher'. The three possible Recon targets are Craig, Nigel and the sniper-searcher.
Apr 25, 2023 8:07 am
Lio's intention is to search and shoot. Because the 'enemy' is willing to do that exact same thing. I suppose they will try to take out the sniper and than us.
I will start off with one recon roll and see how it goes. It's a -2.
Apr 25, 2023 8:12 am
Ohw. A nine.

I'll have to look in the book how shooting works exactly ☺️
Apr 25, 2023 8:32 am
vagueGM says:
Pedrop says:
... he won't back off without good reason that would explain him later. (Persuade ?) ...
Yeah, it won't be easy. You would need to convince him that you mean it and that he will actually be allowed to go if he takes his weapon off you.
I agree. Not easy, but probably doable:) First thing: Raf is not acting hostile right now and in fact he is not hostile towards Craig. Raf was/is a smuggler, have seen such situations. For know he sees Craig as someone that had a job to do and was unlucky enough to get caught on Raf's gun point. (but fast enough to do the same to Raf - but it is only a natural reaction). He don't feel that they are necessary an enemies, just Craig's job put an aim on him colliding with Raf intentions. Craig is just doing his orders.

And I would like this attitude towards Craig resurface in their discussion from now on. Almost semi-friendly and understanding:) Especially in situations when lives are on the line.
vagueGM says:
You might also need to convince him that you he can't convince you to back down for the same reasons.
For now it seems easy. There is 4 of us and only 2 of them, both surpressed by our guns. Raf don't have a reason to do that.

But first let's see how he will answer for Raf's "deal teaser" - as he is earlier in round order.
vagueGM says:
He desperately wants to stand up. It will help him tactically a little bit, but mainly he would feel more comfortable if you weren't looming over him. What would Raf do if he tried to stand up (Minor Action) on his turn? His Turn comes before yours.
Raf will say or make some gesture that would mean that it is a part of them making a deal. He don't think it will change the situation that much + probably will allow the rest of the group to see where Craig is and that he is at Raf's gun point, turned back to them and kept in check. So allowing him to do that would be a sign of good faith(in him) :)
vagueGM says:
I really do like Leadership. What do we all think of using it in that way?
I like it too! As mainly this situation is about judging if Craig will "comply" to Raf's proposition, as Raf is mainly "providing" him with different way the situation could resolve + maybe Raf is acting little against Craig's boss girl:) Somehow he don't likes her...;) But maybe Craig is not a fan too? :)

So should I add the roll for the post from previous round or it will come in this round?
vagueGM says:
Speaking of Armour: Is Raf wearing his bulky Flak Jacket while walking about town? If so, that should probably have influenced the scene with Carl. We did not see it happen, but it is possible you could have put it on when you started to suspect the apartment was broken into? Do you usually wear it?
Raf likes this armor. And have a coat for it - maybe - not being visible immediately from some distance. But of course he didn't had it at the bar scen. But now they are at the job. And they were expecting to deal with some shady dealers. So he definitely have his armor now:)
Apr 25, 2023 8:39 am
Besides Flat Jacket at page 104 doesn't look that bulky to me:)
Apr 26, 2023 1:54 am
Airshark says:
... Lio's intention is to search and shoot. Because the 'enemy' is willing to do that exact same thing. ...
Are they? They haven't shot anyone yet.
Airshark says:
... I suppose they will try to take out the sniper and than us. ...
Fair assumption. Though there is no sniper for them to take out, so it may take a litte while for them to be sure of that.
Apr 26, 2023 3:25 am
Pedrop says:
... First thing: Raf is not acting hostile right now ...
Oh, sure. You are only pointing a gun at his head.
Pedrop says:
... don't feel that they are necessary an enemies ... Craig is just doing his orders. ...
Yeah. And those 'orders' are to deal with you.
Pedrop says:
... Almost semi-friendly ...
That might be pushing it. Just because he does not want to shoot you enough that he is willing to get shot does not make you friends.

You could try to engender some friendliness, but that will be a complex roll adjusting his attitude if you choose to go that route.
Pedrop says:
... There is 4 of us and only 2 of them, both surpressed by our guns ...
Do you know that? Can you see them? There are bushes in the way, that is why Craig was hiding there.
Pedrop says:
... probably will allow the rest of the group to see where Craig is ...
If they can see a standing Craig they can already see you, so not much benefit in that regard.
Pedrop says:
... allowing him to do that would be a sign of good faith(in him) ...
Agreed. He will probably agree as well. It will help your social situation, but may diminish your tactical situation.

Waiting for confirmation that you will still let him stand after this discussion.
Pedrop says:
... against Craig's boss girl:) Somehow he don't likes her...;) But maybe Craig is not a fan too? ...
Projecting much? :)

Maybe your Leadership will tell us.
Pedrop says:
... So should I add the roll for the post from previous round or it will come in this round? ...
As much as possible it is best to keep the roll with the post that involves it.

This Leadership roll is non-active, information gathering/assessment, so we don't care about 'turn order'. If you feel you established it in the fiction, add the roll to the existing post and let us know, else make a post where we see Raf working on the issue.
Pedrop says:
... they were expecting to deal with some shady dealers. So he definitely have his armor now ...
Of course. You would have it for the previous deal.

Carl did not blink an eye at it.
Pedrop says:
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Pedrop says:
Besides Flat Jacket at page 104 doesn't look that bulky to me:)
book page 104 says:
Flak Jacket: A less expensive version of ballistic cloth, the bulky flak jacket is an unmistakably military garment.
That look probably helps you here.
Apr 26, 2023 7:02 am
vagueGM says:
Ronny did a fair amount in that one post. That sounds like about all he can do: Repositioning and a fairly significant conversation.

You still have Reactions, and maybe another Minor action.
My other actions would depend on what Cat's doing. Though it won't be much.
Apr 26, 2023 7:07 am
Yeah, Bob's reply will similarly depend on what actually happens, and if they get away from you.

It almost sounds like you are kinda letting them go? If that is a rouse, we may need a roll to sell it.

Let's see what cat does.
Apr 27, 2023 2:37 pm
Lio will wait his turn.
Apr 27, 2023 3:25 pm
A question for everyone;
Since they asked us who we work for. I could have Ronny tell Cat a name. It can be someone he heard of through HoneyDrop. With some luck it can be a person the others respect or fear.

Good idea or no?
Edit: has a new round started now?
Last edited April 27, 2023 3:25 pm
Apr 27, 2023 9:05 pm
TheGenerator says:
... I could have Ronny tell Cat a name ...
Calling out an answer (or telling it to Cat) would be a Free Action, so you can do that if you want.
TheGenerator says:
... It can be someone he heard of through HoneyDrop ...
Or... just 'HoneyDrop' as a 'name drop'?
TheGenerator says:
... has a new round started now? ...
Cat can still do stuff, and Raf has not really acted.
Apr 27, 2023 9:06 pm
@Pedrop: I am still
vagueGM says:
Waiting for confirmation that you will still let him stand after this discussion. [ref]
Apr 30, 2023 5:26 pm
Friendly bump, no rush though. Only because I know I need one from time to time ☺️
Apr 30, 2023 6:45 pm
This game is afflicted with weekends.
Apr 30, 2023 6:52 pm
I plead guilty!
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